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Arglebargle III posted:The entirety of human civilization is a small price to pay for the correct shade of blue. Blue skies are a relatively new concept that is predated by western civilization http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/hoffman_01_13/
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Blockade posted:I managed to successfully get through to a conservative relative by asking "When's the last time you saw a butterfly?". Conservative-minded people are wired towards disliking change; a desire towards preserving the status quo, what they're familiar with. Arguments with them have a higher chance by appealing to these sensibilities, pointing out how things *have* changed for the worse, and an effort must be made to preserve and restore the environment they're familiar with.
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syscall girl posted:Blue skies are a relatively new concept that is predated by western civilization No. No. This remains one of the most assinine and easily debunked pieces of trash pseudo-science published about classical civilization in the past decade. You are an idiot for posting it and everyone is dumber for having suffered the clicking of that link. gently caress right off with that nonsense, thank you very much. 
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May 12, 2017 03:57
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Holy why do I read this thread poo poo is goddamn horrifying.
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Rime posted:No. No. This remains one of the most assinine and easily debunked pieces of trash pseudo-science published about classical civilization in the past decade. What's wrong with it exactly? Curious in case someone comes along quoting Homer and Color Theory to me.
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TildeATH posted:What's wrong with it exactly? Curious in case someone comes along quoting Homer and Color Theory to me. What do these ancient greek works of art have in common:   Go ahead, I'll wait. That second one is from Knossos and predates Homer, by the way. Some dipshit took a poetic turn of phrase out of context and decided to extol philosophically about how this must mean we couldn't perceive a primary color two thousand years ago, and then a whole lot of lovely internet re-bloggers decided to run with that stunningly idiotic concept because it sounded cool. It's not, it's loving dumb. Anyone who has more than two seconds to spare on critical thinking can see how any why it's loving dumb. I hate this piece of guttertrash pseudo-science with a passion. It's a great soundbite to pop out with while swilling micro-brews with your similarly uneducated hipster dipshit friends, and that's why it keeps propagating across the internet. You know what one of the most valuable trade goods in the ancient near-east and Mediterranean was? Lapis Lazuli, a rock which was was mined in a blasted desert and shipped far and wide yet has zero value or purpose other than being Bright. loving. Blue. Here's some more people shutting this nonsense down, very thoroughly: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-the-Ancient-Greeks-could-not-see-blue
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Telephones posted:Holy why do I read this thread poo poo is goddamn horrifying. If you think reading it is bad, wait until you're living it.
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Btw the Chinese have a similar expression for "bronze colored" that ranges from black through bronze to blue - green and if you look at various aged bronze pieces you can see the patina can range through all those colors. Getting back to the Greek sky, it's a literal description of the color of the sky because bronze can have a bright or even iridescent blue green patina among its other colors. It's almost like the ancient Greeks were more intimately familiar wth bronze than we are for some reason. Also we refer to the sky as slate or battleship or granite or peach or "darkling" or a whole bunch of other colors in our own literature. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 06:22 on May 12, 2017 |
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May 12, 2017 06:18
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Arglebargle III posted:If you think reading it is bad, wait until you're living it. Something Awful 2.0 looking good.
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Arglebargle III posted:Btw the Chinese have a similar expression for "bronze colored" that ranges from black through bronze to blue - green and if you look at various aged bronze pieces you can see the patina can range through all those colors. Reading that link, it's really on par with flat eartherism for just sheer loving stupidity.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Reading that link, it's really on par with flat eartherism for just sheer loving stupidity. gently caress you this is serious business https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11dlAFAytXc and our posting remembrances of no man's blue sky will live here for eternity
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The blue thing sounded like bs anyway, but what about the second half of that article, about people born 8x likely to be artists?
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got any sevens posted:The blue thing sounded like bs anyway, but what about the second half of that article, about people born 8x likely to be artists? That was a typo.
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Telephones posted:Holy why do I read this thread poo poo is goddamn horrifying. Nah it's not that bad
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Banana Man posted:Nah it's not that bad Just worse than expected
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MiddleOne posted:That was a typo. I mean, if the old greeks had vaccines I could see that being the truth.
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haven't read this yet but the animations alone are awesome: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/18/climate/antarctica-ice-melt-climate-change.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
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StabbinHobo posted:haven't read this yet but the animations alone are awesome: It's good. Also this came out and it sucks (describing a new ensemble model of reef bleaching events that came out in Nature Climate Change on Monday). The Great Barrier Reef Is Probably Doomed No Matter What quote:Early last year, the Great Barrier Reef in Australia underwent a once-in-a-lifetime calamity. Ocean temperatures around the reef rose far above normal. The extra heat turned corals bone-white and caused them to expel the symbiotic algae which feed them from inside their branches. Overcooked, starving, and vulnerable to disease, vast swaths of the world’s largest reef died.
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Why wait for the clathrate gun hypothesis to pan out when we can mine the methane and burn it ourselves? China claims breakthrough in mining 'flammable ice'
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I'm having trouble understanding how these of all people couldn't have seen this coming: Arctic stronghold of world’s seeds flooded after permafrost melts
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LongLeggedMackDaddy posted:I'm having trouble understanding how these of all people couldn't have seen this coming:
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May 19, 2017 19:37
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LongLeggedMackDaddy posted:I'm having trouble understanding how these of all people couldn't have seen this coming: This is so loving embarrassing and also, turns out we are terrible at planning ahead for climate change 
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May 19, 2017 19:38
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funkatron3000 posted:Why wait for the clathrate gun hypothesis to pan out when we can mine the methane and burn it ourselves? LongLeggedMackDaddy posted:I'm having trouble understanding how these of all people couldn't have seen this coming: Someone please tell me it's gonna be ok in the end....... It kinda feels like we (collectively) are too stupid to survive this. We know bad things are coming but hey! gently caress it! let's burn more 
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LongLeggedMackDaddy posted:I'm having trouble understanding how these of all people couldn't have seen this coming: quote:The vault’s managers are now waiting to see if the extreme heat of this winter was a one-off or will be repeated or even exceeded as climate change heats the planet. The end of 2016 saw average temperatures over 7C above normal on Spitsbergen, pushing the permafrost above melting point. 
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May 19, 2017 21:40
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Who not to entrust the world's seeds with: climate change deniers.
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Yeah I mean when I heard of a seed vault you'd think the guys making these sorts of things would have climate change on their radar. That's really quite an insane story.Trainee PornStar posted:Someone please tell me it's gonna be ok in the end....... It kinda feels like we (collectively) are too stupid to survive this. Don't worry, Japan is ahead of China here: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-methane-hydrates-japan-idUSBRE92B07620130312
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May 19, 2017 21:45
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The answer is to promote proportional representation and instant run off voting so more fair choices can be made by congress and local entities.
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FecLives posted:The answer is to promote proportional representation and instant run off voting so more fair choices can be made by congress and local entities. Close the thread we finally got the answer.
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I had read a ton about that seed project before; I had assumed it was set up because of climate change. Jesus, "  was this a one off or will it keep happening?"
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This happens regularly with summer melt, though. The tunnel entrance wasn't planned to be watertight.
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Evil_Greven posted:This happens regularly with summer melt, though. Thats pretty dumb.
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Evil_Greven posted:This happens regularly with summer melt, though. 
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Not as much as you would thinkquote:“If there was a worst case scenario where there was so much water, or the pumping systems failed, that it made its way uphill to the seed vault, then it would encounter minus 18 [degrees celsius] and freeze again. Then there’s another barrier [the ice] for entry into the seed vault,” Fowler says. In other words, any water that floods into the tunnel has to make it 100 meters downhill, then back uphill, then overwhelm the pumping systems, and then manage not to freeze at well-below-freezing temperatures. Otherwise, there's no way liquid is getting into the seed bank—so the seeds are probably safe. It's not anywhere near sea level; that's an optical illusion. quote:Still worried? Maybe this will help you exhale: “We did this calculation; if all the ice in the world melted—Greenland, Arctic, Antarctic, everything—and then we had the world's largest recorded tsunami right in front of the seed vault. So, very high sea levels and the worlds largest Tsunami. What would happen to the seed vault?” Fowler says. “We found that the seed vault was somewhere between a five and seven story building above that point. It might not help the road leading up to the seed vault, but the seeds themselves would be ok."
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Basically, all that gets compromised is the ability to access and use the vault. And in a world-wide catastrophe where you need to access seeds you'd of course deploy the equipment necessary to dig through the ice-filled tunnels.
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I'm just wondering what other problems the vault will face, if its design specs are challenged within a decade of its opening.
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NewForumSoftware posted:Don't worry, Japan is ahead of China here: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-methane-hydrates-japan-idUSBRE92B07620130312 I'm so glad they quit nuclear power so that they could burn lots of oil and then when that was too expensive move on to the one fossil energy source capable of creating calamities on its own.
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MiddleOne posted:I'm so glad they quit nuclear power so that they could burn lots of oil and then when that was too expensive move on to the one fossil energy source capable of creating calamities on its own. pretty much exactly like Germany, the Japanese liberal left chose anti-nuclear power as a nonnegotiable foundation issue, so big ugly coal plants is pretty much the only outcome
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icantfindaname posted:pretty much exactly like Germany, the Japanese liberal left chose anti-nuclear power as a nonnegotiable foundation issue, so big ugly coal plants is pretty much the only outcome nimby trash
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Good news, everyone! A new source of fossil fuels is being unlocked - methane hydrates! https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/05/energy-dense-methane-hydrate-extracted-by-japanese-chinese-researchers/ When is it happening? quote:Reuters reported that Japanese officials are hoping to commercialize methane hydrate-extracting technology between 2023 and 2027. Oh, OK. And how much fossil fuels are we talking about? quote:According to the Department of Energy, methane hydrates are abundant on the seafloor and under permafrost, and they contain “perhaps more organic carbon that all the world’s oil, gas, and coal combined.” This is fine.
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