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communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Pistol_Pete posted:

So many people in this thread fixated on how their inheritance will secure their future so long as it's not snatched away, like they're characters in a Victorian novel or something.

The familial and legal machinations around a senile relative's death and the conflict over whether their fortune goes to their children or the State would actually make for a cracking 19th century plot. I think Wilkie Collins would be the best author, providing he could stay off the drugs for 5 minutes straight.

Jarndyce & jarndyce is a thing for a reason

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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.


Jeremy Corbyn, YOU JUST MADE THE LIST

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Because the polling companies adjusted their weightings after 2015 to give them the "correct" result.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/12/07/analysis-what-went-wrong-our-ge15-polling-and-what/

1) You have to ignore the fact that in historic elections (1997, 1992 etc) the Labour vote was overstated and pollsters 'adjusted' then. There is a historic trend of pollsters overestimating Labour support.

2) Even if Labour party support is being polled accurately, that doesn't get over the conundrum of Corbyn's popularity still being incredibly low. The evidence is consistent that when there's a disparity between these two figures, the national share moves in the direction of the leadership rating.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
i got the deposit for my flat from my great aunt who was in care and completely gone from dementia and totally healthy otherwise and expected all the money to go to her care. Then I visited her for the first time in the care home and she dropped down dead suddenly a week later

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Alchenar posted:

1) You have to ignore the fact that in historic elections (1997, 1992 etc) the Labour vote was overstated and pollsters 'adjusted' then. There is a historic trend of pollsters overestimating Labour support.

2) Even if Labour party support is being polled accurately, that doesn't get over the conundrum of Corbyn's popularity still being incredibly low. The evidence is consistent that when there's a disparity between these two figures, the national share moves in the direction of the leadership rating.

1) As far as I'm aware no pollster has largely ignored self-stated likelihood to vote in favour of demographic analysis before.

2) Except for like, this election campaign.

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


Jose posted:

i got the deposit for my flat from my great aunt who was in care and completely gone from dementia and totally healthy otherwise and expected all the money to go to her care. Then I visited her for the first time in the care home and she dropped down dead suddenly a week later

Despite all the people in this thread moaning about reduced inheritances, in your case your inheritance might have increased under the proposed changes.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Jose posted:

i got the deposit for my flat from my great aunt who was in care and completely gone from dementia and totally healthy otherwise and expected all the money to go to her care. Then I visited her for the first time in the care home and she dropped down dead suddenly a week later

How did you kill her?

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


Also I think a lot of people are wildly overestimating how common trust structures are. They're like a top fraction of a percent thing.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Alchenar posted:

1) You have to ignore the fact that in historic elections (1997, 1992 etc) the Labour vote was overstated and pollsters 'adjusted' then. There is a historic trend of pollsters overestimating Labour support.

2) Even if Labour party support is being polled accurately, that doesn't get over the conundrum of Corbyn's popularity still being incredibly low. The evidence is consistent that when there's a disparity between these two figures, the national share moves in the direction of the leadership rating.

If you'd like another, more general, report:

http://eprints.ncrm.ac.uk/3789/1/Report_final_revised.pdf

This time, at least, we're moving to completely new models of poll weighting which should produce better results.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

sebzilla posted:

How did you kill her?

i should have got a greater share of the inheritance imo since i'm the reason everybody got any at all

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Don't worry guys, the Tories will add new entertaining activities for seniors in nursing homes, such as "X-TREME stairwell skipping with wheelchair"

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


Pochoclo posted:

Don't worry guys, the Tories will add new entertaining activities for seniors in nursing homes, such as "X-TREME stairwell skipping with wheelchair"

Seems unlikely, would be against the interests of the all powerful care home/private landlord cartel

Hoops
Aug 19, 2005


A Black Mark For Retarded Posting
Are people actually complaining about inheritance stuff in the UKMT? In what way?

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

pointsofdata posted:

Seems unlikely, would be against the interests of the all powerful care home/private landlord cartel

They'll balance the books somehow - have the family pay 30% of what the care is projected to cost overall to murder the sick olds, or something. You can count on the tories to find a win/win scenario like that.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Hoops posted:

Are people actually complaining about inheritance stuff in the UKMT? In what way?

that the new rules the tories want will gently caress over everyone who isn't rich and needs their family to go into care

also

https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/...r%3D445%23pti37

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAtwA0iOipw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcZc99YQCE8

Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 21:19 on May 19, 2017

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

pointsofdata posted:

Also I think a lot of people are wildly overestimating how common trust structures are. They're like a top fraction of a percent thing.

lol no. My property is in a trust vehicle and I am not "rich".

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Hoops posted:

Are people actually complaining about inheritance stuff in the UKMT? In what way?
Lining banks who stay here after Brexit's pockets with an easy scam to run on victims of dementia is:

- Bad

or alternatively

- A thing socialists should be in favour of because lateral violence towards the families of sick people is in fact Good and not For Tories.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Hoops posted:

Are people actually complaining about inheritance stuff in the UKMT? In what way?

The new rules sound good if the rest of society was fixed at the same time. The reality is an attempt to wreck the middleclass so they're as desperate and powerless as the workingclass. This is only a victory in the most puerile petty way. Nothing has got better, just more people are feeling what it's like to be a pleb in the UK. There is an argument for accelerationism except that is normally looked down upon. And we've seen time and again that voters don't make rational decisions. The idea that if we make everyone suffer equally then we'll get our socialist utopia is a very dangerous one. They might just vote in Hitler II instead.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Regarde Aduck posted:

The new rules sound good if the rest of society was fixed at the same time. The reality is an attempt to wreck the middleclass so they're as desperate and powerless as the workingclass. This is only a victory in the most puerile petty way. Nothing has got better, just more people are feeling what it's like to be a pleb in the UK. There is an argument for accelerationism except that is normally looked down upon. And we've seen time and again that voters don't make rational decisions. The idea that if we make everyone suffer equally then we'll get our socialist utopia is a very dangerous one. They might just vote in Hitler II instead.

To be absolutely fair, this policy is better for the families of people who go into residential care.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

pointsofdata posted:

Also I think a lot of people are wildly overestimating how common trust structures are. They're like a top fraction of a percent thing.

I think it's more instructive to consider what value of inherited assets might be passed into trust, as a percentage of total inherited wealth, rather than the number of trust structures themselves.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

BBC has a good write up of some of the future problems with the social care policy.

For example, what prevents you releasing equity from your home and spending the cash? Then when you die the equity-release company has first dibs on your house and the government loses out.

Or, could you be your parent's carer and pay yourself out of the value of their house? There's a lot of questions.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Guavanaut posted:


Walk into any newsagent in Leicester. Might need to get a train before the walking bit.

Or you can make it out of full fat unsalted butter, but it takes some practice to get the clarified layer out properly.

My local Tesco has ghee and this is a p white area of the country. Shouldn't be too hard to find in the UK tbh.

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


Jose posted:

that the new rules the tories want will gently caress over everyone who isn't rich and needs their family to go into care

also

https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/...r%3D445%23pti37

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/12307023966240768

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

I'm not really sure what your point is with this

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

jabby posted:

Or, could you be your parent's carer and pay yourself out of the value of their house? There's a lot of questions.

I was wondering if it was meant to dovetail with the 'lol just don't work for a year' policy somehow

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

I too remember when Assange & Wikileaks had credibility and weren't just Russian stooges

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

MikeCrotch posted:

I too remember when Assange & Wikileaks had credibility and weren't just Russian stooges

Can you prove wikileaks arent Russian stooges or do you just parrot whatever you say from legacy media?

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Can you prove wikileaks arent Russian stooges or do you just parrot whatever you say from legacy media?

Can you read?

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Can you read?

I'm actually blind

I have my guide dog read me the posts and I describe what I want posted

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

The Telegraph have released an 'exclusive' on Corbyn, turns out MI5 had a file on him. As far as I can tell the rest of the article is just a summary of all the times he's quasi-supported the IRA or shared platforms with unpleasant people.

Personally I think it lends credence to the idea that they don't really have any more big ammunition against Corbyn. I'm sure they are keeping something back for near polling day, but I think the IRA stuff has already been 'priced in' as it were.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
I would assume that like the stasi they will have files on everyone.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

jabby posted:

The Telegraph have released an 'exclusive' on Corbyn, turns out MI5 had a file on him. As far as I can tell the rest of the article is just a summary of all the times he's quasi-supported the IRA or shared platforms with unpleasant people.

Personally I think it lends credence to the idea that they don't really have any more big ammunition against Corbyn. I'm sure they are keeping something back for near polling day, but I think the IRA stuff has already been 'priced in' as it were.

I have it on good authority that Corbyn helped the IRA smuggle guns and budgies

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

I have it on good authority that Corbyn helped the IRA smuggle guns and budgies

You mess with the cockatoo you get the glockatoo

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

I will miss you guys after May bans the internet :(

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
After Thatcher's ban on video nasties it only fits for May to go one better and ban something awful.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

MikeCrotch posted:

I too remember when Assange & Wikileaks had credibility and weren't just Russian stooges

Was this before or after Corbyn was paid to go on Russia Today?

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Jose posted:

I hope you've got a VPN ready since they blocked sa

im getting an expressvpn equipped router

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Looks like Labour is in a muddle about Trident


https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/865689611355340800

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crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
Goons, I will be in the Question Time audience this coming Thursday. :spiderguy:

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