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What kind of schizophrenic mechanical geniuses do we have to have to maintain this international motley of planes? Can you imagine just the number of different wrenches?
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May 20, 2017 03:23
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TildeATH posted:What kind of schizophrenic mechanical geniuses do we have to have to maintain this international motley of planes? After this campaign I think we are selling some of them to uniform the parts.
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May 20, 2017 03:36
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 Went and fixed the mistakes and added the ADA. I couldn't find an SA-22, so there's an SA-19 instead.
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May 20, 2017 03:46
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Quinntan posted:
I think I love you
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May 20, 2017 03:56
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TildeATH posted:What kind of schizophrenic mechanical geniuses do we have to have to maintain this international motley of planes? Is it wrong that I kind of like it like this? Really underlines the "mercenary air force" aspect of it.
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May 20, 2017 04:08
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We had to hire an international team of misfits as engineers. I don't know where the hell they got a source of bio-jet fuel, but they're indispensible.
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May 20, 2017 04:44
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TildeATH posted:What kind of schizophrenic mechanical geniuses do we have to have to maintain this international motley of planes? Can't be worse than what the German Luftwaffe/Heer had to deal with at the height of WW2. "Standardization? Nah, gently caress that! Halfassed prototypes for everyone!"
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May 20, 2017 05:46
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Our tarmac must look pretty neat with this jumble of aircraft on it.
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May 20, 2017 05:51
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We should go for a Noah's Ark theme. Try to get two of every combat aircraft.
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May 20, 2017 06:34
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TildeATH posted:What kind of schizophrenic mechanical geniuses do we have to have to maintain this international motley of planes? Our job here on the ground is pretty easy tbh. Well my job anyways. Also, American Parts, European Parts, all made in Taiwan. 
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May 20, 2017 06:45
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Quinntan posted:
Nice! Where do you find the shipbuckets ?
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May 20, 2017 07:52
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Dimitris posted:Nice! Where do you find the shipbuckets ? Various deviantart accounts and the shipbucket page itself.
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May 20, 2017 11:46
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yurtcradled posted:We should go for a Noah's Ark theme. Try to get two of every combat aircraft. The perfect plan.
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May 20, 2017 14:05
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That sounds like maintenance hell
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May 20, 2017 14:43
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I've just been running with the interpretation that the purchase price of the planes includes a maintenance team that actually understands that particular airframe. It both solves the "maintenance crew goes literally insane" problem and introduces ridiculous levels of unnecessary bureaucracy which seems fitting.
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May 20, 2017 14:50
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power crystals posted:I've just been running with the interpretation that the purchase price of the planes includes a maintenance team that actually understands that particular airframe. It both solves the "maintenance crew goes literally insane" problem and introduces ridiculous levels of unnecessary bureaucracy which seems fitting. This. Initially I'd planned on us hiring a ground crew, support mercs, counting ammunition, basing, and then I realized that it would create a shitload of work for the end result of "maintenance costs reduced by 3%". I might bring back other ground stuff, but not in that capacity.
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May 20, 2017 14:53
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It could turn into some kind of a soft benefit, like the fluff occasionally gives us benefits if we're consolidating our logistical train, as opposed to some kind of firm benefit. At the very least our shareholders might be impressed and choose to leave more money in the company to take advantage of this newfound efficiency.
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May 20, 2017 15:05
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Ground stuff that might be interesting if it doesn't introduce too much busywork would be limiting the munitions supplies we start the next theater with and letting us decide whether to replace expended munitions or save up for new aircraft/unforeseen expenses after missions. Also maybe adjusting pilot experience as way to simulate combat fatigue if we decide to skimp on the booze and whores after a mission.
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May 20, 2017 15:07
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I like the variety of planes. It showcase a lot of different and interesting planes, warsaw pact vs nato e.g.
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May 20, 2017 15:21
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I think it'd be rather dull if we were forced to standardise on a few airframes. I like the fact we've got such an eclectic collection. Aside from the fact that it underlines we're a bunch of scrappy mercs, it also lets us see more interesting aircraft than "F-15s/Gripens/whatever forever and ever".
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May 20, 2017 17:31
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Man, I don't care if they're deathtraps circa 2023, I will fly any super sexy Su-27s and derivatives/upgrades if needed.
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May 20, 2017 17:51
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Yooper posted:This. I was trying to do some numbers on the size of our logistical tail. We've got over forty aircraft, including multirole fighters, strike aircraft, electronic warfare, AEW&C, drone, transports, and tankers. At a bare minimum, we've got over 40 pilots and nearly 25 additional aircrew (MQ-9 sensor operator, C-130 navigator, KC-135 boom operator, etc.). Realistically, we'd need more pilots than planes so that number should be even bigger. They need maintenance, ammo, fuel, and aircrew survival (parachute, etc.) people working to keep them flying. To coordinate all this, we need a full military staff. We'd have a Personnel shop (basically HR), an Intel shop, to execute missions we would turn to our Operation shop and Plans shop (who all the planning goons are helping), our Logistics guys have been working overtime to keep us supplied with Meteors and SDBs, the Comms guys are keeping our internet, SATCOMs, and radios working, our Finance (i.e. accounting) guys make sure we get paid. We'd need some basic medical and behavioral health support. And we'd want some construction guys and handymen to fix up the base, cooks to feed us, etc. Even if we hire local contractors to do this, they still gotta be paid. And as a business, we'd also have sale, marketing, PR, client management, a C-suite, etc, etc. Bottom line, private air force the size of Hired Goons has daily operating costs in the hundred of thousands of dollars.
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May 20, 2017 18:25
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I mean we are basically a small country's entire air force worth of equipment.
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May 20, 2017 18:34
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Stago Lego posted:I like the variety of planes. It showcase a lot of different and interesting planes, warsaw pact vs nato e.g. Soup Inspector posted:I think it'd be rather dull if we were forced to standardise on a few airframes. I like the fact we've got such an eclectic collection. Aside from the fact that it underlines we're a bunch of scrappy mercs, it also lets us see more interesting aircraft than "F-15s/Gripens/whatever forever and ever". Airforces of our size (and above) tend to be based around one or two airframes. Yooper was also talking about introducing maintenance a la dice roll for every plane to decide whether it could fly a mission or not. I would like to have a core of 20-24 gripens/tornado's/whatever multirole that can do every job well, for easier mission planning and not being screwed out of capabilities because some planes are out of commission. That would already be a hodgepodge by normal standards. I'm completely fine with using whatever boondoggle planes strike your fancy, given that we maintain the core fleet. JcDent posted:Man, I don't care if they're deathtraps circa 2023, I will fly any super sexy Su-27s and derivatives/upgrades if needed. The Flankers have not given a good showing of themselves so far but modern variants would actually give our gripens a run for their money.
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May 20, 2017 18:43
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Soup Inspector posted:I think it'd be rather dull if we were forced to standardise on a few airframes. I like the fact we've got such an eclectic collection. Aside from the fact that it underlines we're a bunch of scrappy mercs, it also lets us see more interesting aircraft than "F-15s/Gripens/whatever forever and ever". I dunno man, having gone through proposing a few ops now, there is nothing I would want more than some rationalisation of our force. As is, we have nine combat aircraft types, most of which we only have one or two of. They all have different loadouts, different IFR capabilities and compatibilities, ranges and speeds. Rationalizing would make planning ops so much simpler. Quinntan fucked around with this message at 18:52 on May 20, 2017 |
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To save on personnel resources, I'll serve all 3 crew positions in my pantsir myself, just running back and forth like a maniac.Quinntan posted:I dunno man, having gone through planning a few ops now, there is nothing I would want more than some rationalisation of our force. As is, we have nine combat aircraft types, most of which we only have one or two of. They all have different loadouts, different IFR capabilities and compatibilities, ranges and speeds. Rationalizing would make planning ops so much simpler. Variety is interesting. We should establish a rule where we don't acquire more than 4 of any type until we have one of everything in the DB going forward.
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May 20, 2017 18:49
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 Proposal: Dragonslayers, Inc. The Sk 60Bs have proved that they can't survive in a modern air defense environment. And they have to get drat lucky to actually kill anything. But I think they can still be useful to us. That's why I propose we create a spin-off company: Dragonslayers, Inc. We detach the SK 60s and send them back to the home front. There, they can do some PR work and make us some extra money. They can make money as they: -Fly airshows as an aerobatic demo team. -Take up wannabe fighter pilots for mock dogfights. -Train new pilots. -Fly as a private aggressor squadron for other air merc companies and air forces. -Do VIP transport. -Help with search-and-rescue. And we could get some great benefits from this! -Get sponsored by Saab and get paid a check, plus get discounts on their stuff (Gripens, parts, etc). -Bribe VIPs with free aerobatic rides to get nicer contracts. -Make contacts with other air mercs and military units. -Network at airshows and meet new suppliers and clients What do you think, Hired Goons?
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May 20, 2017 18:59
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glynnenstein posted:To save on personnel resources, I'll serve all 3 crew positions in my pantsir myself, just running back and forth like a maniac. this is an awful idea and anyone who makes mission proposals will hate you for it
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Dance Officer posted:this is an awful idea and anyone who makes mission proposals will hate you for it Going to post just to explicitly disagree.
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May 20, 2017 19:13
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Dance Officer posted:this is an awful idea and anyone who makes mission proposals will hate you for it I guess we could just have 20 Gripens every mission to fire 40 meteors and drop 80 SDBs and someone somewhere would still think that's cool.
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May 20, 2017 19:28
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Bacarruda posted:
I like this idea, but that paint scheme is gaudy as hell. Also we should probably wait and make sure the Sk-60Bs survive their Finest Hour. Also also I thought there was a plan to gift them to Von Hoff? Sounds like we'll need a vote during procurement.
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May 20, 2017 19:29
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power crystals posted:Going to post just to explicitly disagree. I disagree with your disagreement.
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May 20, 2017 19:39
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Dance Officer posted:this is an awful idea and anyone who makes mission proposals will hate you for it 
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glynnenstein posted:I guess we could just have 20 Gripens every mission to fire 40 meteors and drop 80 SDBs and someone somewhere would still think that's cool. Yeah, this. Unified forces means that our already fairly similar plans will just become identical. The weird variety gives us character.
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May 20, 2017 19:45
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The only reduction in frames I would support as of now is limiting the Tornados to only German, Saudi or British ones.
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May 20, 2017 19:45
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Bacarruda posted:
I'd be fine with this so long as I'm not one of the guys piloting those loving things anymore. I've done my time, god knows I've been cheating death every time I go up in one of those things, so I'd appreciate the ability to never have to touch one of those things ever again. (OOC: This seems legit so long as we Sk60 pilots can stick around and transfer to better planes.)
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May 20, 2017 20:13
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Let's just buy and sell whatever we feel like buying and selling and not worry about variety or lack of variety until it actually becomes an issue.
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May 20, 2017 20:16
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I do agree that we should have limit the airframes to one variety. E.g. only saudi Tornados or only F-15E's.
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I think we should aim to keep any attack plane numbers above 1 to ease planning. That single Su-25 is a now an odd duck, for example.
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