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| Goku |
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202 | 7.09% |
| Vegeta |
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279 | 9.79% |
| Krillin |
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208 | 7.30% |
| Piccolo or his nameks |
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212 | 7.44% |
| Gohan or Cool Gohan |
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135 | 4.74% |
| Yamcha |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Tien |
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120 | 4.21% |
| Muten Roshi |
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89 | 3.12% |
| Tao Pai Pai |
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71 | 2.49% |
| Frieza |
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69 | 2.42% |
| Cell or an android |
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86 | 3.02% |
| Buu |
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62 | 2.18% |
| Hercule "Mark" Satan |
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327 | 11.48% |
| Videl |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Bulma |
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104 | 3.65% |
| Yajirobe |
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99 | 3.47% |
| Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy |
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68 | 2.39% |
| King kai or another kai |
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53 | 1.86% |
| Chi-Chi |
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83 | 2.91% |
| Goten |
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43 | 1.51% |
| Trunks or Cool Trunks |
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112 | 3.93% |
| Bardock |
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48 | 1.68% |
| Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) |
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41 | 1.44% |
| Uub |
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42 | 1.47% |
| Oolong |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Zamasu |
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26 | 0.91% |
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Burkion posted:It is a spoiler for the fact that this won't be a one episode gag, like many are hoping. Where was this mentioned? I just caught up with the episodes and haven't kept up with the thread.
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May 20, 2017 15:24
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zelah posted:Where was this mentioned? I just caught up with the episodes and haven't kept up with the thread. The episode descriptions for the next three were leaked a little while ago. After that, people found hidden images of the thing that we all pretty much know now. A fair amount of people thought it was going to be a gag, but the toy catalog just further proves that not to be the case.
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May 20, 2017 15:34
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:I like the american dub beerus better than the japanese one, although they're both good, but the american whis isn't as perfectly aloof as the japanese one. I think Japanese Beerus is better because he seems to have more range, going from a similar voice to the American one to a really deep, soft and icy voice that sounds terrifying whenever he's really mad. American Beerus just sounds gruff and growly 24/7 without any range. American Whis won me over during the ramen tasting scene though, it's a great fit for the character. Regarding the spoilers: if this was any other writing team coming up with the spoiler plot point I'd throw up my hands and say "gently caress it, this franchise has jumped the shark, I'm done", but the writing for Super has been insanely good for what it's working with so I'm eager to see how it plays out.
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May 20, 2017 16:56
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I'm still expecting Toei to pull our legs with that one. It can't be straight THAT.
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May 20, 2017 17:12
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Dias posted:I'm still expecting Toei to pull our legs with that one. It can't be straight THAT. Never attribute to malice what can more easily be explained with incompetence.
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May 20, 2017 17:21
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There's just one fear lingering...I will be legit pissed if Frieza becomes part of the main cast and is New Vegeta. Then Old Vegeta will be demoted to Piccolo, and Piccolo will be demoted to, I dunno, Yamcha.
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May 20, 2017 17:35
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Goku's new friend is Jiren
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May 20, 2017 17:51
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zelah posted:Where was this mentioned? I just caught up with the episodes and haven't kept up with the thread. Something that was confirmed last week has been double confirmed and while it was dumb last week this somehow made it absolutely unbearably dumb as though anything has changed regarding it at all.
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May 20, 2017 17:51
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It's a level beyond Dumb. We call it Dumb 2.
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May 20, 2017 18:06
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extra row of teeth posted:There's just one fear lingering...I will be legit pissed if Frieza becomes part of the main cast and is New Vegeta. Then Old Vegeta will be demoted to Piccolo, and Piccolo will be demoted to, I dunno, Yamcha. Hit was already starting to do that anyway.
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May 20, 2017 18:23
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extra row of teeth posted:There's just one fear lingering...I will be legit pissed if Frieza becomes part of the main cast and is New Vegeta. Then Old Vegeta will be demoted to Piccolo, and Piccolo will be demoted to, I dunno, Yamcha. frieza's being tortured by happy teddy bears and faeries on the regular. i doubt he's gonna see earthling life and say "well gee maybe i should give up this all this murder"
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May 20, 2017 18:42
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extra row of teeth posted:
The thing about Dragonball is that its been in a state of suspension above the shark for more than 20 years at this point, at least since it turned out Goku is actually an alien, they can really do whatever the gently caress they want and noone will bat an eye. Having said that, oh man, looking at reddit the salt over this twist makes the Dead Sea look like a fresh mountain spring. extra row of teeth posted:There's just one fear lingering...I will be legit pissed if Frieza becomes part of the main cast and is New Vegeta. Then Old Vegeta will be demoted to Piccolo, and Piccolo will be demoted to, I dunno, Yamcha. Personally I think Frieza won't get much more of a look in after this arc. Either he'll get erased from existence after pushing his luck one last time or he'll learn to leave well enough alone so long as his lot in the otherworld isn't so nightmarish.
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May 20, 2017 18:44
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There's basically no redemptive arc for that character that isn't dumb as gently caress and completely show-breaking so I really hope they're not going to go there. I have that much trust in the writers/
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May 20, 2017 20:09
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Blockhouse posted:There's basically no redemptive arc for that character that isn't dumb as gently caress and completely show-breaking so I really hope they're not going to go there. I have that much trust in the writers/ Why does he need to redeem himself? Beerus is a much worse monster and they are friends with him and don't want him to reform himself. Buu has blown way up more planets and its not like anyone is trying to punish him. As long as Frieza doesn't try to conquer Earth specifically I don't think they really care what he does with the rest of the universe.
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May 20, 2017 20:44
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Rutibex posted:Why does he need to redeem himself? Beerus is a much worse monster and they are friends with him and don't want him to reform himself. Buu has blown way up more planets and its not like anyone is trying to punish him. Beerus blows up planets as part of his divinely appointed duty, just in a lazy, fickle and inconsistent way and Buu literally separated into two entities, the evil destructive side who wanted to blow up planets being quite firmly punished via Spirit Bomb disintegration. Frieza does it for the sheer pleasure of causing pain and destruction and has never once shown a single once of regret or remorse for his actions. The Frieza revisionism has to stop.
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May 20, 2017 20:53
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Rutibex posted:Why does he need to redeem himself? Beerus is a much worse monster and they are friends with him and don't want him to reform himself. Buu has blown way up more planets and its not like anyone is trying to punish him. Beerus isn't a much worse monster. Beerus does his job, which to us is morally unjustifiable but he's also a literal God who is beyond the confines human morality. If he doesn't do it, he'll be killed and replaced by something or someone who will do it and perhaps more wantonly. He's a dick about it at times, but he's not monster and we have no insight into why he has destroyed the planets he does, even though he appears aloof about it. We have seen that he can and will take his duty seriously when need be though. Freeza is dog poo poo with no justification for what he does.
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May 20, 2017 20:56
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'But I want to see Frieza be forced to babysit Pan-chan and get into all kinds of crazy japes which he grumbles about but secretly you can see his icy heart start to melt  'No. Stop writing fanfic about ultra-Hitler.
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May 20, 2017 20:57
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Beerus isn't a much worse monster. All of those justifications are poo poo and don't make it any better.
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May 20, 2017 20:59
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I just want to see Frieza to screw Universe 7 somehow. That's all that I ask Toei.
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May 20, 2017 21:01
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havenwaters posted:I just want to see Frieza to screw Universe 7 somehow. That's all that I ask Toei.
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May 20, 2017 21:01
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Blockhouse posted:There's basically no redemptive arc for that character that isn't dumb as gently caress and completely show-breaking so I really hope they're not going to go there. I have that much trust in the writers/ I can kinda see a redemption arc for Frost while contrasting him with Frieza, but yeah, I don't see Frieza himself getting any redemption. My impression is that a large part of the reason for this is just to remind people again that Goku is kind of the baddie in this arc after a couple months of him just messing around with his buds. Plus there's room for comedy by forcing Frieza to co-operate with people he hates the poo poo out of and vice versa.
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May 20, 2017 21:01
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multijoe posted:'But I want to see Frieza be forced to babysit Pan-chan and get into all kinds of crazy japes which he grumbles about but secretly you can see his icy heart start to melt I wouldn't choose to make a moral stand about forgiving Frieza for being dog poo poo by saying he's ultra-Hitler, considering one of these people is not real and the other was a real life genocidal dictator but you do you.
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May 20, 2017 21:02
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One thing to keep in mind is that Saiyan-era Vegeta was pretty much irredeemable too, wasn't he? So spoilerguy could be redeemed in a similar way if they handled it very well and over a long period of time. I seriously hope not though, there are two resident grumpy-Gus former bad guys who deserve the airtime (Vegeta and Piccolo, even though Vegeta's growth as a character is arguably complete).
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May 20, 2017 21:06
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multijoe posted:Beerus blows up planets as part of his divinely appointed duty, just in a lazy, fickle and inconsistent way and Buu literally separated into two entities, the evil destructive side who wanted to blow up planets being quite firmly punished via Spirit Bomb disintegration. Frieza does it for the sheer pleasure of causing pain and destruction and has never once shown a single once of regret or remorse for his actions. The Frieza revisionism has to stop. Josuke Higashikata posted:Beerus isn't a much worse monster. My point isn't that Frieza is good and can be redeemed, my point is the Z-Fighters are a selfish amoral bunch who do not mind hanging out with genocidal killers. Half of them are genocidal killers themselves, and the other half are a collection of assassins/pedophiles/thieves. Zeno destroyed a planet by accident last time Goku went to go visit him and he didn't give a poo poo. So long as Frieza doesn't interfere with the Z-fighters interests they should not care about his morality.
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May 20, 2017 21:10
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I wouldn't choose to make a moral stand about forgiving Frieza for being dog poo poo by saying he's ultra-Hitler, considering one of these people is not real and the other was a real life genocidal dictator but you do you. It's okay to compare fiction characters to real life personalities and in particular comparing Frieza to Hitler is pretty common, even TFS do so in Kai abridged. But really it would just annoy me to undercut the biggest most unapologetic piece of poo poo in the series to fill a role already being covered by two other former villains, both of whom had far better setups for their villainy and eventual redemption, just to do some twee slice of life antics.
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May 20, 2017 21:14
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Outside of the context of a joke, it's a bad comparison. It's arguable if it's a good joke but that's subjective.
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May 20, 2017 21:23
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Frieza is gonna join the Galactic Patrol and be assigned as Jaco's partner
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May 20, 2017 21:27
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Rutibex posted:My point isn't that Frieza is good and can be redeemed, my point is the Z-Fighters are a selfish amoral bunch who do not mind hanging out with genocidal killers. Half of them are genocidal killers themselves, and the other half are a collection of assassins/pedophiles/thieves. Zeno destroyed a planet by accident last time Goku went to go visit him and he didn't give a poo poo. I think you're overstating the case slightly. Tien never killed anyone as far as we know and then explicitly renounced the Crane school, Piccolo is a separate entity to his father and again is never depicted killing any innocents, Yamcha was an incompetent comedy bandit and Vegeta, the only guy who actually did a good number of very bad things, had the longest and most drawn out redemption arc of any character in the series and was given extensive context for why he was originally such a rotten guy. Ironically though, Roshi is probably the one with the strongest moral core, at least outside the realm of sexual violence, and given the course of recent events it would be cool to see him as Goku's mentor again rebuking him for his irresponsible quest for and use of power and reminding him of the consequences of his actions. Given his last appearance though, I'm not living in hope.
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May 20, 2017 21:32
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Should have brought Cell back instead.
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May 20, 2017 21:32
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Vegeta killed literally billions and laughed about doing it.
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May 20, 2017 21:34
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Freeza's going to spend eternity babysitting Bra and having Bulma make him weed her garden.
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May 20, 2017 21:42
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Beerus isn't a much worse monster. Yeah we do, he destroys planets because their food isn't good enough or they didn't give him the most comfortable pillow. Lets not beat around the bush, Beerus is pretty much worse than Frieza, no amount of 'But Gods!' will change that. He's selfish and arbitrary in the extreme with next to no sense of temperance or self control, he exploits his immense power for personal gratification first and foremost. Heck, the series even shits on the idea that there is some kind of unknowable, divine reasoning for his destruction when Kibito Kai asks Old Kai if this is part a cycle where destruction begats creation and Old Kai is like 'Not really, he's just an rear end in a top hat'. We tend to forget this because we've been treated to a lot of funny scenes of him lazing by the pool spinning straws in his mouth. Anyway, its not really redemption, its more Frieza forgoing his endless quest for vengeance in favor some other selfish outcome that results in his story being put to rest permanently.
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May 20, 2017 22:03
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i'm excited for life to dunk on history's greatest monster freiza again
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May 20, 2017 22:15
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I mostly just wanna see Frieza feeling super humiliated that he has to play nice with Goku and friends and there's nothing he can do about it lest he piss off Beerus.
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May 20, 2017 22:26
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extra row of teeth posted:One thing to keep in mind is that Saiyan-era Vegeta was pretty much irredeemable too, wasn't he? So spoilerguy could be redeemed in a similar way if they handled it very well and over a long period of time. I seriously hope not though, there are two resident grumpy-Gus former bad guys who deserve the airtime (Vegeta and Piccolo, even though Vegeta's growth as a character is arguably complete). i don't think anyone needs to be redeemed in dragon ball, they just have to want to accept redemption. goku and crew seem to be fine with just about anybody as long as they stop being murderous assholes. problem is, frieza's already been shown the lifestyle of peace and love living on earth could (theoretically) afford him. it's his punishment! if he comes to life he's not gonna think "ok i guess i'll chill here on earth next to majin buu" even though goku would totally go along with that. frieza just isn't interested in that sort of life and can't wait to get back to killing (and making himself immortal) thank you for reading my brief psychological profile of freeza
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May 20, 2017 22:58
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multijoe posted:I think you're overstating the case slightly. Tien never killed anyone as far as we know and then explicitly renounced the Crane school, Piccolo is a separate entity to his father and again is never depicted killing any innocents, Yamcha was an incompetent comedy bandit and Vegeta, the only guy who actually did a good number of very bad things, had the longest and most drawn out redemption arc of any character in the series and was given extensive context for why he was originally such a rotten guy. Ironically though, Roshi is probably the one with the strongest moral core, at least outside the realm of sexual violence, and given the course of recent events it would be cool to see him as Goku's mentor again rebuking him for his irresponsible quest for and use of power and reminding him of the consequences of his actions. Given his last appearance though, I'm not living in hope. Emperor Pilaf had dungeons full of skeletons, they are fine hanging out with him now. Uulong captured little girls for sexual slavery, now a valued member of the team. Launch robs banks for fun. Beerus destroys planets for annoying him, cosmic being or not thats monstrous as hell. All Gokus good friends. Rutibex fucked around with this message at 23:16 on May 20, 2017 |
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May 20, 2017 23:07
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The cruelest outcome is Frieza ends up as the new God of Destruction due to impressing Zeno.
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May 20, 2017 23:09
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Condiv posted:goku and crew seem to be fine with just about anybody as long as they stop being murderous assholes. I think you're right, but even if he somehow did decide to settle down I don't think Frieza would ever be accepted by the Goku crew because his crimes specifically involved the Saiyans. While you can argue that the Z fighters are a fairly amoral group (because they definitely are), even within the realm of "what killing is cool" Frieza would never be accepted because he wiped out Goku/Vegeta's entire race. It wasn't just his bodycount, but how specifically the body count affects them. Could you imagine Vegeta feeling anything other than frothing hatred for Frieza, like, ever? If they do go into the Battle Royale I wouldn't be surprised if Vegeta goes into a blind rage, forgets that his entire loving universe is on the line, and just attacks Frieza instead.
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May 20, 2017 23:36
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extra row of teeth posted:Frieza would never be accepted because he wiped out Goku/Vegeta's entire race. It wasn't just his bodycount, but how specifically the body count affects them. Several members of the current crew murdered or murdered the murder other members of the crew.
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May 20, 2017 23:38
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okay but the real reason is that freeza is not going to suddenly decided to stop trying to kill goku and everyone else on earth and using a like forty minute tournament to rewrite that part of his character would be ridiculous again I don't actually think they're going to try that because I don't think the writers are idiots
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May 20, 2017 23:43
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