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Mr.Radar posted:This is a very good talk about how tech companies are destroying the world and what could be done to help mitigate the damage:  Cegłowski hasn't updated the talks index in a while, he's still putting new ones on the site:http://idlewords.com/talks/notes_from_an_emergency.htm (the one in the video, with links!) http://idlewords.com/talks/superintelligence.htm (links and slides!) http://idlewords.com/talks/robot_armies.htm (links and slides!) quote:If you look at AI believers in Silicon Valley, this is the quasi-sociopathic checklist they themselves seem to be working from.
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I think we already had an article talking about Juicero from the (over-)engineering point of view, but here's a great video on the topic by AvE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cp-BGQfpHQ He hacks it to work without the cloud bullshit and estimates that they're losing a good chunk of money on each even at the ridiculous $400/pc. e: losing/loosing, ffs mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 08:36 on May 22, 2017 |
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May 21, 2017 16:43
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Add DBA to the list but then also add not working at Uber to the list. There's not enough good ones to go around, but management doesn't give a poo poo and will just outsource it to Accenture or some other poo poo factory.
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May 21, 2017 17:57
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Is there any kind of movement to create a charter document or constitution for the internet? I feel as though something like that, if adopted by states worldwide, could go a long way in addressing concerns over privacy and data management.
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May 21, 2017 18:27
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sitchensis posted:Is there any kind of movement to create a charter document or constitution for the internet? I feel as though something like that, if adopted by states worldwide, could go a long way in addressing concerns over privacy and data management. Anything that is composed would probably have more regulatory function than the nothing of right now, so until you convince SV as a whole that they have social obligations as a whole to not destroy free society for profit its going to be a hard sell.
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May 21, 2017 18:30
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sitchensis posted:Is there any kind of movement to create a charter document or constitution for the internet? I feel as though something like that, if adopted by states worldwide, could go a long way in addressing concerns over privacy and data management. This is nonsensical. You'd need a world government first, in order for such a thing to be enforceable.
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May 21, 2017 18:33
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fishmech posted:This is nonsensical. You'd need a world government first, in order for such a thing to be enforceable. Eh, not really. There are existing multilateral treaties on all sorts of things, like postal movement, civil aviation and telecommunications. How far they go varies, and who signs on varies, but they generally work. The catch is that the parties have a clear shared interest in compatibility - we want to get mail or planes from A to B and that's pretty uncontroversial. Not so with the Internet.
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May 21, 2017 21:14
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Time to draft an RFC for the internet world order
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May 21, 2017 21:33
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What do you do to the countries that aren't signatories?
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May 21, 2017 21:36
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ohgodwhat posted:What do you do to the countries that aren't signatories? Make them pay  to post 
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May 21, 2017 21:42
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Platonicsolid posted:Eh, not really. There are existing multilateral treaties on all sorts of things, like postal movement, civil aviation and telecommunications. How far they go varies, and who signs on varies, but they generally work. The catch is that the parties have a clear shared interest in compatibility - we want to get mail or planes from A to B and that's pretty uncontroversial. Not so with the Internet. And it'll never be so with the internet. There's whole countries that actively and publicly refuse to allow any sort of unfiltered internet access, and others that barely allow it.
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May 21, 2017 21:48
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fishmech posted:And it'll never be so with the internet. There's whole countries that actively and publicly refuse to allow any sort of unfiltered internet access, and others that barely allow it. Err, that was my point? It's not lack of mechanisms, it's lack of will.
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Ruffian Price posted:Note that while I love the guy but Trump getting elected kinda broke his brain Maybe we'll get funny sarcastic Macej back in 2 years when there's a dem majority congress or trump gets impeached or something ohgodwhat posted:What do you do to the countries that aren't signatories? 56k bandwidth limit
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May 21, 2017 22:03
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Platonicsolid posted:Err, that was my point? It's not lack of mechanisms, it's lack of will. No, it is lack of mechanisms. There's no way to enforce it. Real regulations are usually enforced against a lack of will to comply. I honestly don't understand what you think an "Internet constitution" would even do, though, or why it would be needed. There's hardly a constitution for telephones or newspapers.
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May 21, 2017 22:10
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sitchensis posted:Is there any kind of movement to create a charter document or constitution for the internet? It's called the GDPR
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Klyith posted:56k bandwidth limit that's ok, that'll block their citizens from seeing their leader in a crop top.
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May 21, 2017 22:15
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There is at least one effective international regulation of the internet, but its the agreement to let WIPO take domain names away in trademark disputes so it's not exactly a great start.
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May 21, 2017 22:36
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The United Nations of BGP Peers. Must donate 2% bandwidth per year to DDoS mitigation
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:The United Nations of BGP Peers. Must donate 2% bandwidth per year to DDoS mitigation *fills twenty million square meters of chinese warehouse space with lovely foxconn servers* *steals electricity by tapping nearby power lines*
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:*fills twenty million square meters of chinese warehouse space with lovely foxconn servers* But enough about buttcoin
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mobby_6kl posted:I think we already had an article talking about Juicero from the (over-)engineering point of view, but here's a great video on the topic by AvE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cp-BGQfpHQ
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May 22, 2017 01:46
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ANIME AKBAR posted:As an engineer, I really wasn't prepared for seeing this. Seeing so many huge, perfectly machined/molded parts in a loving kitchen appliance is just staggering. He spends a bunch of time looking at the electronics, but all those PCBs and parts probably cost about the same as one of those ground pins. The designers probably made millions in profits off of this job. Seriously, the thing is almost a work of art. His comment on how the real challenge is building something that works under constraints is true, but dang sometimes it's nice to see what people can do without any constraints too.
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May 22, 2017 01:59
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Oneiros posted:Seriously, the thing is almost a work of art. His comment on how the real challenge is building something that works under constraints is true, but dang sometimes it's nice to see what people can do without any constraints too. I didn't hear that comment but it was exactly my thought. Engineering really is about constraints and this thing threw out almost all of them including cost and size.
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May 22, 2017 02:17
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The company's founder was originally ok with the machine costing as much as $1500 to sell to consumers, according to some old interviews, before some business managers were brought and put some level of control on the whole project. Probably explains why the design was allowed to go so crazy, and only mildly cut back for the original $700 unit price.
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May 22, 2017 02:25
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Oneiros posted:Seriously, the thing is almost a work of art. His comment on how the real challenge is building something that works under constraints is true, but dang sometimes it's nice to see what people can do without any constraints too. Yeah, great to see what a lack of constraints can lead to...
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May 22, 2017 02:28
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Now imagine some ridiculously overengineered IoT sex toy built to the same generous standards. Capable of oscillating at 30,000 rpm, Waterproof in pressures exceeding 900 Bar , fully functional at temperatures up to 800 Kelvin, etc.
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Panfilo posted:Now imagine some ridiculously overengineered IoT sex toy built to the same generous standards. Capable of oscillating at 30,000 rpm, Waterproof in pressures exceeding 900 Bar , fully functional at temperatures up to 800 Kelvin, etc.  Gentlemen, today we shall gently caress God!
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RuanGacho posted:
And God was wrathful that Man attempted to gently caress Him; And therefore he split apart their genders, and their sexes also; So that they were a multitude, as grains of sand in the sea; And none could know whom to gently caress and how.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:And God was wrathful that Man attempted to gently caress Him; Nice! 
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Boxcar posted:Yeah, great to see what a lack of constraints can lead to... An $400 loss-leading piece of hardware coupled with a consumables subscription? Not exactly a groundbreaking business strategy, or an unprofitable one. I mean, the $120M in VC funding is almost certainly unwarranted but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a profitable market segment there. I'd say the DRMed juice packs are dumb but hey, Keurig makes it work 
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Oneiros posted:I'd say the DRMed juice packs are dumb but hey, Keurig makes it work Keurig's packs don't have a failure mode that offers bonus simultaneous diarrhea and vomiting.
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Oneiros posted:Keurig makes it work It's selling a legally addictive stimulant as a service. It feels kinda like apples and oranges, pardon the pun.
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Oneiros posted:An $400 loss-leading piece of hardware coupled with a consumables subscription? Not exactly a groundbreaking business strategy, or an unprofitable one. I mean, the $120M in VC funding is almost certainly unwarranted but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a profitable market segment there. I'd say the DRMed juice packs are dumb but hey, Keurig makes it work You're defending a $400 machine that pushes juice out of a bag
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Keurig's packs don't have a failure mode that offers bonus simultaneous diarrhea and vomiting. Actually makes me wonder how long the packs would be good for frozen. A lot of fruits and vegetables get kinda ruined, texturally, by freezing but since the've already been shredded and are destined for juicing anyway I bet you could get away with a pretty long shelf life. That would ruin their subscription model, though.
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Boxcar posted:You're defending a $400 machine that pushes juice out of a bag $400 isn't that out of line for a juicer, have you looked at them at all? The subscription model, ridiculous tech / over-speced hardware, and VC funding are the questionable bits. The price isn't far off what I see everyday walking to work (san francisco). Also I bought a $1500 espresso machine recently. It's very shiny, and makes some pretty dang good coffee, but I think I lost the right to criticize what other people spend their money on
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I wonder if you could make money selling DIY bag kits.
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RandomPauI posted:I wonder if you could make money selling DIY bag kits. If I were willing to mush the vegetables myself, I might as well use a blender and cut out the middleman. The point of this thing is to prevent the enormous tedium that is thoroughly cleaning a blender or, worse, a juicer.
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May 22, 2017 06:46
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Boxcar posted:You're defending a $400 machine that pushes juice out of a bag This really cannot be understated. It's an extremely expensive machine that pushes juice out of extremely expensive bags in low quantities. Not to mention of how it's riding off a trend and has a business model where even a modest churn rate could kill the business overnight due to every consumer representing several hundreds of dollar of potential losses on the very first day. The Juicero is the opposite of coffee pods.
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Oneiros posted:$400 isn't that out of line for a juicer, have you looked at them at all? The subscription model, ridiculous tech / over-speced hardware, and VC funding are the questionable bits. The price isn't far off what I see everyday walking to work (san francisco). This machine is not a juicer - $1500 juicer would be fine - this is a $400 bag pressing machine that does a little bit better than hand squeezing. The questionable bits are the whole thing
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Boxcar posted:This machine is not a juicer - $1500 juicer would be fine - this is a $400 bag pressing machine that does a little bit better than hand squeezing. The questionable bits are the whole thing I guess I just don't get the focus on the $400 "juicer". To me the bigger issue is the $200/month bag of mush subscription. But people spend that much or more on all sorts of things (hello Starbucks) so I guess if you're really into juice it's not really that out of line? I dunno, I'm not in the target market.
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