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Just... fold Marines into general Navy and they will never lack for fixed wing support. By the way, who provides armed personnel for Navy's ships? I guess the Army's Apaches still dream of Fulda Gap where they fly low for pop uo attacks and slow enough as to not hit German landmarks. Marines probably never had such compulsions. Is there a doctrinal difference between Army and Marines?
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Apaches are a "maneuver force". Marine Cobras are for Close Air Support.
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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/05/gallery-war-aircraft-through-the-lens-of-a-us-army-training-manual/ New edition of the US Army Visual Air Craft Recognition guide available. The RQ-170 makes its debut in it.
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Murgos posted:You're wrong you know.
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JcDent posted:Maneuver force? Army doctrine had the idea that helicopters could be used for more than just CAS.
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Sperglord Actual posted:Up to 20 CIA informants were killed or imprisoned by the Chinese government between 2010 and 2012, the New York Times reports, damaging US information-gathering in the country for years. I love the Chinese manga ad they apparently use to warn citizens of spies.
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Smiling Jack posted:Army doctrine had the idea that helicopters could be used for more than just CAS. Is that part of why that debacle in Iraqi happened? The Apaches getting shot up thing.
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JcDent posted:Maneuver force? army aviation falls under maneuver because per doctrine it's used to support the ground element and push the forward line of attack (cargo/lift), conduct recon/strikes (attack/UAS), and out-maneuver the enemy force (air assault). CAS is included inside of that.
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MrMojok posted:Has an attack helicopter ever shot down a fighter jet? I always thought it would be neat to open both doors of a Blackhawk or Huey and fire an FIM-92 Stinger from the shoulder as a AIM-92 at an assaulting enemy aircraft or helicopter. Missile out one door, back-blast out the other. You would just have to avoid conflict with your own rotors. Sounds like something out of a Clancy novel.
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B4Ctom1 posted:I always thought it would be neat to open both doors of a Blackhawk or Huey and fire an FIM-92 Stinger from the shoulder as a AIM-92 at an assaulting enemy aircraft or helicopter. Missile out one door, back-blast out the other. You would just have to avoid conflict with your own rotors. Sounds like something out of a Clancy novel. In DCS Black Shark 2 if you are extremely Hot poo poo you can lock the Ka-50's ATGMs onto aircraft and fire them in AA proximity fuze mode. Which means it's *probably* possible in real life.
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B4Ctom1 posted:I always thought it would be neat to open both doors of a Blackhawk or Huey and fire an FIM-92 Stinger from the shoulder as a AIM-92 at an assaulting enemy aircraft or helicopter. Missile out one door, back-blast out the other. You would just have to avoid conflict with your own rotors. Sounds like something out of a Clancy novel. Wingtip stingers are a thing on AH-64s, so you could do that at least. I can't see firing a missile with backblast inside an enclosed cabin (even with an open door) ending well outside a novel.
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Is there a useful difference between Cobras and Apaches? Is there any reason the Army and Marines can't use the same helicopter?
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Remember our little chat about hand held kamikaze drones in the military? http://www.defenseone.com/technolog...nseone_today_nl
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Ahahaha! All that fracking in Colorado, Nebraska, Montana, and Wyoming is setting off the seismic alarms on the nuke missile sites http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fracking-is-encroaching-on-us-nuclear-missile-sites-general-says/article/2623353
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Hauldren Collider posted:Is there a useful difference between Cobras and Apaches? Is there any reason the Army and Marines can't use the same helicopter? Apache is better in most ways I think. Not sure about range or loiter time though. Wasn't the Cobra in essence a weird homogeneous helicopter that was part backup program for the troubled Cheyenne and part extension of the proven Huey airframe for dedicated attack and escort in Vietnam? Apache I think was meant as a tank hunter using the next big anti tank missile at the time, the Hellfire.
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Iran fires mortars into Pakistan after 10 border guards were killed http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/iran-fires-mortar-shells-into-pakistan/articleshow/58774181.cms?from=mdr
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Dandywalken posted:Apache is better in most ways I think. Not sure about range or loiter time though. The new Cobra (AH-1Z) is essentially a completely different machine than the previous models, and much more modern. On the surface, the Zulu lacks any real advantage over the new AH-64E, other than a slightly faster cruise speed. The AH-64E has even been "marinized," like the British Apaches have been, meeting shipboard corrosion requirements. The Apache carries more and better armament, has much much better systems, including the ability to team with and control UAVs, has better range, and has about the same unit cost due to volume. In large part, the AH-1Z is just the Marines being Marines, plus a bit of a hand out to Bell. However, there is one additional upside for shipboard operation; with the UH-1Y the Marines have actually achieved about 70% parts commonality between their two helicopter types. This means parts inventories can be streamlined, which does matter when you're at sea. That said, this actually wasn't true at all of previous Hueys and Cobras, which shared very few parts, and the Marines seemed to manage just fine.
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It's worth mentioning that the Cobra can sling Sidewinders, which AFAIK the Apache cannot. Whether you think that matters, is up to you.
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I've crossed several more aircraft off the list of things I haven't seen fly in person this weekend: F-35 de havilland Vampire A-37 Dragonfly E-6 Mercury O-2 Skymaster A couple Skyraider variants F-35 max thrust takeoffs sure as gently caress make the place shake when the plane rotates.
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Q_res posted:It's worth mentioning that the Cobra can sling Sidewinders, which AFAIK the Apache cannot. Whether you think that matters, is up to you. You could probably mount a usable -9M on a 1989 Ford Taurus with a day's worth of work.  Second example: 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:You could probably mount a usable -9M on a 1989 Ford Taurus with a day's worth of work.  The best example
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It was a not-implausible scenario that one of those heater-armed nimrods would encounter the Argentine C-130s and P-2s also conducting maritime patrol. I am a bit sad that this never happened.
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Mortabis posted:It was a not-implausible scenario that one of those heater-armed nimrods would encounter the Argentine C-130s and P-2s also conducting maritime patrol. I am a bit sad that this never happened. Same. Maybe even moreso if they didn't even shoot them down, but they got home with one hosed up engine swearing up and down a Nimrod did it.
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Mortabis posted:It was a not-implausible scenario that one of those heater-armed nimrods would encounter the Argentine C-130s and P-2s also conducting maritime patrol. I am a bit sad that this never happened. Oh I know. One of my earliest memories is sitting in a Nimrod at St Mawgan during a squadron families day (at the age of like 4 or 5).
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uh oh the "totally not Iran, and you can't prove it" Houthis may have got a hit on a RSAF F15 with what might be a MANPADS https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/yemeni-air-defense-forces-target-saudi-f-15-fighter-jet-video/ Video without massive graphics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7-aY29gVgY mirror https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZh67S3SQi0 It might not even be the first time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoDvL27PR_A
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It's alright - they've got hundreds of other entirely disposable princes to fly those jets badly.
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priznat posted:The -1 is very very skinny. Yup 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:It's alright - they've got hundreds of other entirely disposable princes to fly those jets badly. This gave me a chortle.
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 "Blast door art from Delta One Launch Complex in Wall, South Dakota. Painted by at the time airman, Tony Gatlin in 1989."
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cowboy elvis posted:Unfortunately, the USAF where that is cool is no longer around. Yes, but at least the launch codes aren't all 0's now! Evens out a bit in the end.
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B4Ctom1 posted:Iran fires mortars into Pakistan after 10 border guards were killed Isn't this basically how the nuclear war started in World War Z?
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Mr. Despair posted:Yes, but at least the launch codes aren't all 0's now! Evens out a bit in the end. No, they're 1qazxsw2 etc.
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Godholio posted:No, they're 1qazxsw2 etc. so long as step 1 of the daily checklist wans't changed to "make sure the launch code is set to 1qazxsw2 "
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