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RLM just really hates sequels and stuff so at this point I kind of already know what they're going to say. Guardians got a pass because a James Gunn is the best but otherwise they're just not down with anything in a franchise. I get it. I do. But I'm still seeing cool things in them.
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CelticPredator posted:I'll be honest though, I wish these things were in the film. That "She Won't Go Quietly" is more interesting than the ending in the film. Especially that last shot. I wanted more of that instead of just that kind of that tensionless ending we got. Aside from the Queen xenos, have they ever used gendered pronouns to describe the Aliens before? That promo, and the TV spot where the xeno aboard the Covenant headbutts the view screen showing David/Walter's face made me think they were going in the direction of Shaw being literally turned into an Alien somehow rather than just being tortured and experimented to provide genetic material.
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May 22, 2017 01:09
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The Alien is referred to as a he by the film crew and stuff, but nah. It's usually an "it".
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Again, I'm not talking about the lore. I'm talking about something established in this film in a short scene at the very beginning. It simply doesn't establish that
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May 22, 2017 01:46
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Despera posted:It simply doesn't establish that What information are you missing?
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I probably should watch this again, because there was a bunch of poo poo that flew by me. Like, I had no idea that Lope and Hallet were a couple until looking up stuff about the movie at home. I feel like the characterization wasn't where it needed to be, but I am not an expert on these sort of things, but I feel like really didn't know much of anything about the crew at all, but then again, maybe I am not meant to?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:What information are you missing? Weyland giving David the codes That everything has a David backdoor That they use the same codes for ships yet to be invented That David is the same copy and constantly around weyland
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May 22, 2017 02:12
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David: "Just blow and let my fingers do the rest." 80-yo woman next to me: "I've heard that before..."
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May 22, 2017 02:27
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Someone in my theater whistled at the camera after that line.
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May 22, 2017 02:32
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Despera posted:Weyland giving David the codes There are two characters in the opening scene. The first is Weyland. It's apparent from his surroundings that his wealth is immesurate, but what is also apparent is that he considers himself much more than just a very rich man. From the decor, he seems to consider himself a philanthropist, an artist, a visionary, a genius, etc. From his body language, he's also very tightly wound and controlling. Through the second character, David, we learn more that compliments Weyland's character. For example, not only does David recognize Michaelangelo's David, he is also allowed to choose his own name. This tells you what Weyland values as part of his vision: creativity, independence and a sense of his own importance. David is not just AI, but the logical next step of humanity. He is meant to inherit his father's legacy. He is also an android, created as a servant, and it annoys Weyland to have to remind him of such a thing. David reminds Weyland that Weyland will die, and he will not. Weyland is pained at this, because that's the point. Weyland can't live forever and do everything himself so he's done the next best thing. Therefore, even though David is a cynical smartass, he's nevertheless empowered to act in Weyland's stead. There's stuff related to Prometheus in all of this that makes it more funny than anything, but the point is you don't NEED to have seen that film.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:There are two characters in the opening scene. The first is Weyland. It's apparent from his surroundings that his wealth is immesurate, but what is also apparent is that he considers himself much more than just a very rich man. From the decor, he seems to consider himself a philanthropist, an artist, a visionary, a genius, etc. From his body language, he's also very tightly wound and controlling. That openings might be one of my favorite scenes in the Alien franchise.
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I didn't adore Covenant as much as Prometheus but there were a handful of brilliant scenes like that to make it all worthwhile.
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Just saw Covenant. Crazy to live in a world where Aliens is the fourth best Alien film
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Guy A. Person posted:Just saw Covenant. Crazy to live in a world where Aliens is the fourth best Alien film lol what is this
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Guy A. Person posted:Just saw Covenant. Crazy to live in a world where Aliens is the fourth best Alien film Truth
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I can't help but think that all those colonists on the Covenant are going to end up as eggs on the planet in Alien.
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Despera posted:Weyland giving David the codes Well that ship could of been in development before prometheus happened. We don't know because its not explained but I would expect the covenant to take along time to develop and build for that matter.
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Tenzarin posted:Well that ship could of been in development before prometheus happened. We don't know because its not explained but I would expect the covenant to take along time to develop and build for that matter. A lot of places have passwords and security flaws that are around after 10 years. People's tech problems with this movie rely on their ignorance of how tech works out in the real world. Also, how do we know Weyland doesn't have another David or another AI or android back on Earth who is embedding backdoors and passwords in new tech. Weyland-Yutani always seemed like they had pretty far reaching plans and awareness of things it seems like they shouldn't. They seemed to know about the xeno from Alien before it was encountered by the miners. Huzanko fucked around with this message at 03:06 on May 22, 2017 |
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MrMojok posted:Anyone heard anything, or have any takes on the meaning of "I saw the devil when I was ten, and I never forgot him" ? It's a bluff from an inwardly unsure man that likes to lean outwardly on his faith. He's warning David that he won't be fooled so don't try anything sneaky. The problem is David's had him marked for this from the start, and you have to go back a bit to understand why. When they first get back to the necropolis, David asks a question that seems to go no-where: "who's the captain?" He knows the captain has to be the one who gave the order to divert the ship to the honeypot he created. He knows Oram is the kinda guy who will just look into an alien egg if you lead him to it in the right way. Same way he'd reroute a huge colony ship on a lark for something that seems too good to be true. There's a lot of consequence for misplaced faith that continues over from Prometheus, and just hours before he meets his fate Daniels assures him that what they need now is his faith. He puts faith in himself that he can see the Devil if he's staring him in the face, but the truth is that he can't and he doesn't. David also complies with Oran's demands without hesitation, something his own crew wouldn't even afford him, and that is also part of what allows him to be led by the nose into an alien egg.
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Granted, Alien Covenant is out so I thought I'd take a quick perusal through them again. 1) Never noticed it before, but Dallas in the shaft has the same music from "The Shining". 2) Gestation period...probably been answered somewhere, but in Aliens, how in the hell did they encounter the chick that had a chest burster many many days (talking hypersleep) after losing contact on LV-426? Yeah, I'm an idiot, take it easy on me.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Granted, Alien Covenant is out so I thought I'd take a quick perusal through them again. Like anything else with these movies it just happened that way because the script needed it to. Hell only 3 of these movies have been directed by the same guy now and each one written by a different writer, IIRC, so the Alien franchise is the wrong place to look for consistency.
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Huzanko posted:Like anything else with these movies it just happened that way because the script needed it to. Heh. Yeah, I understand. Take it for what it is. Thanks.
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IMB posted:Truth Just lol if you think A:C with its horribly drawn-out predictable ending is somehow better than Aliens.
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Huzanko posted:Like anything else with these movies it just happened that way because the script needed it to. Well this movie arguably helps that since David was still in early experiments with this stuff. The face hugger itself seemed to be a solution to the super quick gestation period which produces "inferior" aliens.
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Guy A. Person posted:Well this movie arguably helps that since David was still in early experiments with this stuff. The face hugger itself seemed to be a solution to the super quick gestation period which produces "inferior" aliens. That answers a question I had regarding that, sincere thanks.
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All the Alien films have a grossly unrealistic gestation and growth period for an intelligent organism. Requiring the better part of a year in gestation and then years of parental and community nurturing to allow the development of higher brain functions doesn't make for a very punchy script. I'd kind of like to see the very different sort of horror that would result from a small vulnerable alien organism bursting from a friend's chest cavity and then imprinting upon the next person it saw as its mother and behaving in a manner which creates an emotional demand for affection and care. I call it Three Men and a Xenomorph. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 03:24 on May 22, 2017 |
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Guys why are you getting hung up on David inventing the xenomorph when the engineers had pictures of it? I assumed David had taken the black goo to its natural conclusion, he stole fire he didn't invent it himself. He may be delusional enough to think so.
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wyoming posted:The Meet David promo he did for Prometheus is still my favourite. This one wasn't Scott's son, but rather another RSA director whose name I forget. I'm also not so sure that any of the Covenant promos aside from Last Supper were by Ridley's son. Everyone seems to have assumed it, but when Last Supper and the TED Talk promos were released they specifically stated he was the director, whereas I've not seen anything official regarding who directed the others.
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Phi230 posted:Watching the RLM review they featured a trailer clip that showed Daniels running around the ship, with the power off, talking only to MOTHER. It seemed like the final cut they changed the ending. Or maybe they filmed some stuff for the trailer for marketing? Its like almost all of the commercial material was from the last 20 minutes of the movie. Arglebargle III posted:Guys why are you getting hung up on David inventing the xenomorph when the engineers had pictures of it? I assumed David had taken the black goo to its natural conclusion, he stole fire he didn't invent it himself. He may be delusional enough to think so. Maybe those engineers were like the Hitler version of the engineers and they like dreamed up xenomorphs but couldn't make them because they weren't smart as a robot? Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 03:31 on May 22, 2017 |
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Colostomy Bag posted:Heh. Yeah, I understand. Take it for what it is. Thanks. I mean, I am a huge Alien nerd, and I could give you some bullshit about Xenomorphs evolving differently and gestating differently based on environmental conditions and host bodies and so on and so forth. Part of the issue is just that Aliens is James Cameron and Alien is Ridley Scott and they each took their movies and the Xenomorph in different directions. My head cannon is that the Xenos, since they grow rapidly, would be different depending on environmental conditions. So, in aliens you have a hive based species since they have lots of hosts around and a reactor to nest in, while in Alien the creature is on the ship by itself outnumbered so it's a lot tougher and can turn people in to eggs and all that. I think the Xeno is a lot cooler if it's not a fixed creature but something that can be different depending on its environment and needs.
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Guy A. Person posted:Just saw Covenant. Crazy to live in a world where Aliens is the fourth best Alien film Did IQ's drop sharply while I was away?
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Huzanko posted:A lot of places have passwords and security flaws that are around after 10 years. Mother is pretty much just a future operating system.
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CelticPredator posted:Did IQ's drop sharply while I was away? It has been awhile, people been thinking prometheus was a good movie for like a year.
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Huzanko posted:I mean, I am a huge Alien nerd, and I could give you some bullshit about Xenomorphs evolving differently and gestating differently based on environmental conditions and host bodies and so on and so forth. Part of the issue is just that Aliens is James Cameron and Alien is Ridley Scott and they each took their movies and the Xenomorph in different directions. Yeah, I'm good with that. What was the travel time for the Sullaco? Combined with losing communications on LV-426?
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Colostomy Bag posted:Yeah, I'm good with that. What was the travel time for the Sullaco? Combined with losing communications on LV-426? I'm so glad you asked! https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/55875/how-long-did-it-take-the-space-marines-in-aliens-to-reach-planet-lv-426
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Tenzarin posted:It has been awhile, people been thinking prometheus was a good movie for like a year. I love Prometheus but uh, Aliens is astoundingly great. A perfect film imo.
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CelticPredator posted:Did IQ's drop sharply while I was away? Thanks CP. Glad to see you only care about "smugness" when it's someone else doing it. Does my opinion on movies say anything else about me as a person?
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Maybe you should rewatch aliens again so you could recognize great lines from it.
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