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https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/866596255924981761 No news on what he actually did yet, just arrested for "breach of the peace".
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I have mixed feelings about fox hunting. I'm against it being legalised but as an enthusiastic meat eater I feel like a hypocrite to condemn the treatment of these foxes while enjoying the consequences of cruelty that millions of animals suffer every day so that we can feed and clothe ourselves. I think fundamentally my objection to it is class based. I just don't like the idea of toffs riding around on horses ripping up animals.
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May 22, 2017 11:21
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i mean you don't eat foxes so why is it hypocritical
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May 22, 2017 11:25
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dog fighting is bad, but on the other hand I eat beef so it's a wash really.
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May 22, 2017 11:27
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Because I eat other animals. Animals that are not always raised and slaughtered with regard for their wellbeing.
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May 22, 2017 11:27
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'Cull the Tories not the badgers.' is one of the better chants of the last few years. I hope to see it brought back for foxes as well.
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May 22, 2017 11:28
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https://twitter.com/AlexWhite1812/status/866601403078389761 LePen is now officially more reasonable than the current government of the UK - I guess the only hope for the UK is that Trump doesn't fall to soon otherwise they will the shittiest government in the west.
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May 22, 2017 11:29
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Looks like May's strategy isn't improving much this morning: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/22/conservatives-buy-dementia-tax-google-ad-as-criticism-of-policy-grows Labour have repeatedly made this mistake of failing to challenge the premises of an argument they disagree with, which leads to the public absorbing "wisdom" such as Labour overspending requiring us to have cuts to the NHS and disabled people. The majority of people who hear "dementia tax" aren't going to respond with "what's that?", they're going to think "that sounds nasty!". And I suspect that people googling it are more wondering if it is real or not rather than the fine details. Using "so-called 'dementia tax'" won't work either, the same way that ordinary folk say ISIS regardless of the specific phrasing the BBC choose.
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May 22, 2017 11:31
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Pissflaps posted:I have mixed feelings about fox hunting. For eating meat, the mistreatment (which unfortunately still happens) and killing is part of the process to achieve the fundamental objective of getting meat.
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May 22, 2017 11:44
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forkboy84 posted:I live in a SNP/nobody marginal. So despite the Labour candidate here being...not exactly to my tastes, I'll probably end up voting for him anyway, Labour needs every vote it can get, especially in Scotland. If SNP MPs would vote for a Corbyn government in parliament, than isn't a vote for the SNP a vote for Corbyn, especially when certain Scottish Labour candidates are explicitly anti-Corbyn?
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May 22, 2017 11:48
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GaussianCopula posted:https://twitter.com/AlexWhite1812/status/866601403078389761
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May 22, 2017 11:51
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Ewan posted:I don't think it's hypocritical - fox hunting is purely there to enjoy the chase culminating in the killing of the animal. The mistreatment and killing is part of the fun and the fundamental objective of the activity. I'm completely fine with Fox hunting done with some dude with a gun and a couple of sniffer dogs to find them effectively and kill them cleanly. I'm not okay with a bunch of poshos in stupid hats with a pack of dogs prancing around like morons and taking pleasure in torturing an animal. In the same way, despite the fact that I eat meat, I would ideally like animals that are going to be killed for meat to die as painlessly as possible.
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May 22, 2017 11:54
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Yorkshire Tea posted:I'm completely fine with Fox hunting done with some dude with a gun and a couple of sniffer dogs to find them effectively and kill them cleanly. As long as the dudes with the gun haven't deliberately bred the foxes of course
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May 22, 2017 11:58
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Ewan posted:I don't think it's hypocritical - fox hunting is purely there to enjoy the chase culminating in the killing of the animal. The mistreatment and killing is part of the fun and the fundamental objective of the activity. Yes this is all true, but this mistreatment is not essential for the production of food and clothes it's something we choose because we like cheap burgers and cheap leather shoes.
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May 22, 2017 11:59
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Coohoolin posted:If SNP MPs would vote for a Corbyn government in parliament, than isn't a vote for the SNP a vote for Corbyn, especially when certain Scottish Labour candidates are explicitly anti-Corbyn? A vote for the SNP is actually a vote for their bitter rivals is a pretty tough sell even for you Coohoolie. That's not to say I wouldn't back them in a Tory/SNP marginal, but in all other situations you would be far better voting Labour. The SNP can and will do what they want, that is as it should be. If you want something different vote for someone else.
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May 22, 2017 11:59
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THe tories have done a u-turn on social care lol
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May 22, 2017 11:59
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Jose posted:THe tories have done a u-turn on social care lol It'll work.
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May 22, 2017 12:00
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Jose posted:THe tories have done a u-turn on social care lol This is tres good news, now there are going to be days of "What will the cap be?" Just adds to the uncertainty. Edit: Or there should be, but the UK media so lol probs not.
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May 22, 2017 12:02
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hakimashou posted:If people had rejected this view and voted Labour instead of lib dem in 2010 wouldn't that have prevented Cameron from forming a government and all the tragic consequences that have followed from it? No, it would have resulted in a Tory majority, as happened when people stopped tactically voting LibDem, because we have FPTP and most of the LibDems' 2010 seats were LibDem-Tory battlegrounds. My constituency was LibDem 2010, Tory 2015. Most websites advising people on how to vote tactically still argue that we should vote LibDem here, but they are currently polling in 3rd place behind Labour. There is no chance they will win, so I can happily vote Labour this time because this is our opportunity to establish Labour as the tactical anti-Tory vote in this constituency. But if the LibDems started doing better I might have to reconsider, painful though that would be.
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May 22, 2017 12:02
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Jose posted:THe tories have done a u-turn on social care lol Lol it's a consultation on a cap, not even a back down. So they'll still do it, but ask a few people what their houses are worth and try and do the maths from there. Come on Labour, play this right and it's another few percentages in the bag.
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May 22, 2017 12:03
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Ewan posted:I don't think it's hypocritical - fox hunting is purely there to enjoy the chase culminating in the killing of the animal. The mistreatment and killing is part of the fun and the fundamental objective of the activity. We don't torture animals on the slaughter line and you'll get fired for doing so, nor use dogs to tear the carcass to pieces while its still alive. So, no, Fox Hunting is not the same as slaughter for food. Its deliberate torture of a small animal to give a bunch of richs fucks a chubby.
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Oh dear me posted:No, it would have resulted in a Tory majority, as happened when people stopped tactically voting LibDem, because we have FPTP and most of the LibDems' 2010 seats were LibDem-Tory battlegrounds. What constituency out of interest? Keen to look at the numbers.
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May 22, 2017 12:03
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CommieGIR posted:We don't torture animals on the slaughter line and you'll get fired for doing so, nor use dogs to tear the carcass to pieces while its still alive. Are you arguing with me by agreeing with what I just said?? I totally agree it's not the same and that's what I meant.
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May 22, 2017 12:07
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The media are laying into May about this social care policy and uturn. A decent opposition could be having a field day here.
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May 22, 2017 12:07
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Zalakwe posted:What constituency out of interest? Keen to look at the numbers. St Austell & Newquay.
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May 22, 2017 12:07
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namesake posted:Lol it's a consultation on a cap, not even a back down. So they'll still do it, but ask a few people what their houses are worth and try and do the maths from there. "Tories in Turmoil" has a nice ring to it.
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May 22, 2017 12:08
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Zalakwe posted:This is tres good news, now there are going to be days of "What will the cap be?" Just adds to the uncertainty. Why is it good news? A cap only helps wealthy families.
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May 22, 2017 12:08
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Coohoolin posted:If SNP MPs would vote for a Corbyn government in parliament, than isn't a vote for the SNP a vote for Corbyn, especially when certain Scottish Labour candidates are explicitly anti-Corbyn? And the Tories will put it out as Labour being propped up by the SNP for concessions, thus a vote for Labour is a vote for the break-up of Britain. This isn't even an answer I should need to give - they've already done it.
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May 22, 2017 12:09
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Oh dear me posted:St Austell & Newquay. What polling data have you seen that puts the Lib dems third in this seat and behind labour?
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May 22, 2017 12:10
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The cap is £70k. So if you have a home worth exactly £170k and run up a large care bill the dementia tax would be up to 41% of your estate right?
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May 22, 2017 12:11
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If you think this policy is too harsh on inheritors, the way to make it more progressive is to increase the minimum estate value, not to cap deductions from large estates
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May 22, 2017 12:11
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madey posted:The cap is £70k. Tbh a proper inheritance tax would be more than that, but yes.
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May 22, 2017 12:12
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Oh dear me posted:St Austell & Newquay. Steve GIlbert's old constituency, that is a really interesting one. I think the LDs will likely come second at least, I can see from my Facebook feed (know the former campaign manager) they are pouring in a lot of resource. Can't see it happening either but might be very close.
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May 22, 2017 12:12
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Where do I find out how my constituency is polling? I live in a marginal seat
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May 22, 2017 12:13
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pointsofdata posted:Why is it good news? A cap only helps wealthy families. It is good news in terms of Labour's campaign, it's not good news for poor people. It was announced by the Tories. Edit: See they have announced the number, not sure if that helps them to be honest.
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May 22, 2017 12:13
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Ewan posted:Worth noting that "new registrations" includes people registering who have already registered, and are just doing so just in case, or are re-registering after having moved address since the last time they voted. To be fair given that we've had the EU referendum and Local elections all within the last 12 months the electoral roll was probably already looking pretty healthy I'd like to believe this does represent a surge in non-voters registering. It's not enough to win on its own but anything that can contribute to Labour over performing their polling will be welcome on election night.
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https://twitter.com/flashboy/status/866599444564672512pointsofdata posted:Why is it good news? A cap only helps wealthy families. Now let's consider two elderly people with care costs that in the end come to £100k. Person A has a £150k property Person B has a £200k property Person C has a £500k property Person A ends up paying £50k towards their care before they hit the £100k floor Person B ends up paying £70k towards their care before they hit the £70k cap Person C ends up paying £100k (full cost) towards their care. EDIT: This doesn't make the policy good, but it makes it very very slightly less bad. EDIT2: None of this makes sense and I'm terrible at maths. Ewan fucked around with this message at 12:42 on May 22, 2017 |
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pointsofdata posted:Why is it good news? A cap only helps wealthy families. Because, as has been pointed out before in this thread, Labour is pairing the cap with increased taxation on wealthier families. So everyone gets the benefit of the cap but if you're richer you will pay more, its just not explicitly stated via means testing. Means testing is so burned into people's brains at this point that they can't wrap their head around actually paying for things with taxes.
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pointsofdata posted:If you think this policy is too harsh on inheritors, the way to make it more progressive is to increase the minimum estate value, not to cap deductions from large estates inheritance tax should be a totally separate thing to social care
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fridge corn posted:Where do I find out how my constituency is polling? I live in a marginal seat It's unlikely there is any polling data for your constituency.
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