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baka kaba posted:Look at it. We got MURDER and ATTACK, then one of the bullet points is 'possible terrorist incident'. Is there a situation where it's not terrorism and that headline is still accurate?
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jabby posted:Not to diminish the impact of this attack on the people/families involved, but this could literally not have come at a worse time for progressive politics in this country. I mean on the evening of one of the worst days the Tories have had during the campaign, something happens to spread more fear and drive more people towards their ideology. As others have said, that's undoubtedly the point in most likely scenarios.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Yes - crazy person does crazy thing with no underlying ideological cause, like that guy who tried to assassinate Reagan because he thought that'd win Jodie Foster's heart. I think these days it'd be classed as terrorism. Unless he's white I guess in which case you can assassinate someone in broad daylight and just be a bit of a funny sort so I guess you're right.
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TTerrible posted:19 people are dead, a second device has been detonated in a controlled explosion and armed police dragged someone out of a car. Here's some alternative explanations: there was a panic in a crowded venue; that's what happens when you find suspicious things in this kind of situation; that's a normal night out in Manchester TTerrible posted:Popped up on the BBC just as I posted that, but I think performing a controlled explosion at such short notice is indicative of them already having seen one real device. I think it's incredibly safe to assume an actual bomb has gone off. Why would they wait around? Here's some other things our police have detonated in controlled explosions: a car one of them parked outside a police station, and I want to say a kebab I mean I know a bunch of non-regulars are rushing in here to go IT'S TERROR CHRIS but nobody knows poo poo right now, and all they hype is loving things up josh04 posted:Surplus of crows overloads transformer? 
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This is all so hosed But also: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/866817907526959105
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J_RBG posted:This is all so hosed Shades of 4 Lions here in what "suspicious item" means. They blew up an item of clothing that looked suspicious, but that doesn't mean it was a suspicious item.
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baka kaba posted:Here's some alternative explanations: there was a panic in a crowded venue; that's what happens when you find suspicious things in this kind of situation; that's a normal night out in Manchester The police are treating it as a terrorist incident. The police have seen the injuries people have and the inside of the arena. They are unlikely to look at people with crush injuries and blame terrorism. baka kaba posted:Why would they wait around? Here's some other things our police have detonated in controlled explosions: a car one of them parked outside a police station, and I want to say a kebab Suspect packages usually spend (comparatively) long cordoned off while people hem and haw. They don't blow up abandoned coats with a ten minute warmup. baka kaba posted:I mean I know a bunch of non-regulars are rushing in here to go IT'S TERROR CHRIS but nobody knows poo poo right now, and all they hype is loving things up I pop back in here when big things happen because I got bored of reading people bitching back and forwards with pissflaps on every page. Non regulars hurrr. How many posts do I need for my opinions to be valid  We do know some things, but people are absolutely desperate for it to not be a bomb and I don't get it. I'm not screaming "It's must be Muslims!! hang em all!! saint nigel!!"
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2017/may/23/dashcam-footage-apparently-shows-manchester-explosion-video It wasn't a crush.
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May 23, 2017 02:00
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TTerrible posted:people are absolutely desperate for it to not be a bomb and I don't get it. If it's a bomb it's the beginning of a thousand-year tory reich. Well, if it's a bomb from an arab, asian or black person, or someone affiliated with ireland in any way. The only way it isn't is if it's a british nationalist (doubtful, they must realise they're getting everything they want at this point) or a lone nutjob who really hates teen pop or something.
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Lid posted:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2017/may/23/dashcam-footage-apparently-shows-manchester-explosion-video That's some fantastic evidence you've got there.
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May 23, 2017 02:01
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TTerrible posted:The police are literally calling it an explosion And as we know, explosions never cause panic and never leads to stampedes?
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TheRat posted:And as we know, explosions never cause panic and never leads to stampedes? They're never caused by bombs either I guess.
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May 23, 2017 02:04
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Maybe wait until morning chums. Speculation is pointless until there is actually some solid information beyond "the police are looking into this".
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May 23, 2017 02:05
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This wouldn't have happened if May was prime minister.
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TheRat posted:And as we know, explosions never cause panic and never leads to stampedes? Lest it be known that TheRat will concede a bomb went off but that the only confirmed fatalities are from a crush they hypothesised. Blaming the bomb is racial profiling.
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TheRat posted:And as we know, explosions never cause panic and never leads to stampedes? Absolutely. I have no doubt that some of the injuries and even deaths are as a result of people fighting to get out. I'm just not buying that its not a bomb.
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TTerrible posted:We do know some things, but people are absolutely desperate for it to not be a bomb and I don't get it. I'm not screaming "It's must be Muslims!! hang em all!! saint nigel!!" I got a month probation after the westminster attack for highlighting how the preoccupation of most posters in the aftermath, at least from what their posts showed, were their preferences of politically ideal perpetrator. "Please don't be a brown person", "please don't be a bomb", etc... are pretty normal around here because this thread is about politics above anything else, in general. Still a bit shaken that this has happened so close to my home, but what can you do.
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Lid posted:Lest it be known that TheRat will concede a bomb went off but that the only confirmed fatalities are from a crush they hypothesised. Blaming the bomb is racial profiling. You're dumb as a doorknob. Congrats. TTerrible posted:Absolutely. I have no doubt that some of the injuries and even deaths are as a result of people fighting to get out. I'm just not buying that its not a bomb. It might very well be a bomb. The point is, we don't know anything at all. Police are treating it as 'a terrorist attack until we know otherwise'.
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May 23, 2017 02:06
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It was an explosion caused by the excess build up of energy from not brexiting hard enough.
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Rakosi posted:I got a month probation after the westminster attack for highlighting how the preoccupation of most posters in the aftermath, at least from what their posts showed, were their preferences of politically ideal perpetrator. "Please don't be a brown person", "please don't be a bomb", etc... are pretty normal around here because this thread is about politics above anything else, in general. Thanks for the heads up.
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from the graun's liveblog:quote:Elena Semino, from Lancaster, was with her husband waiting for her daughter by the arena’s ticket office when the explosion went off. She has a wound on her neck and her leg is bleeding. She hasn’t been seen by a doctor yet as her priority was finding her daughter – which she now has.
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TTerrible posted:Thanks for the heads up. Quit the tag team poo poo.
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LemonDrizzle posted:from the graun's liveblog: It's also that she was injured from outside the venue, at the ticket office, so there goes it was a crush theory.
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Already some fuckos trying to take advantage of the news by spreading lies https://twitter.com/GeraldoRivera/status/866804168106921984
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Regarde Aduck posted:Quit the tag team poo poo. Tag team? That is the first time I've ever interacted with Rakosi. 
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Lid posted:It's also that she was injured from outside the venue, at the ticket office, so there goes it was a crush theory. There were definitely crushes as people rushed to get out, and there was definitely an explosion in the box office.
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Nonsense posted:Already some fuckos trying to take advantage of the news by spreading lies gently caress him.
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does it make it somehow better if most of the fatalities are simply from the aftermath of an explosion instead of the initial explosion? why are people so hung up on that
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Mr. Despair posted:does it make it somehow better if most of the fatalities are simply from the aftermath of an explosion instead of the initial explosion? why are people so hung up on that Because if the explosion was an accident it can then be blamed on the audience, of you know, concertgoers and a lot of children. A tragic accident. If the bombing was on purpose no idea what difference that makes.
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I think what we are all hoping is that this is just a tragic accident and won't be used politically. If it is anything malicious, the seeds have already been planted so no one has to say anything and things are already affected.
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Lid posted:Because if the explosion was an accident it can then be blamed on the audience, of you know, concertgoers and a lot of children. How about you go gently caress yourself, you massive thundercunt?
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May 23, 2017 02:14
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how dare people not want this awful situation to be used to fuel a mass of reactionary rhetoric and bile
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May 23, 2017 02:17
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May is calling it a terror attack so that's pretty much that.
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thehappyprince posted:how dare people not want this awful situation to be used to fuel a mass of reactionary rhetoric and bile Some people consider it a bit cynical for first reactions to be people arzying about political ramifications when there is little information about who even did what, exactly.
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I've seen reports that rail services are cancelled, but also that lines are 'blocked'. Anyone know what that's about?
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TheRat posted:How about you go gently caress yourself, you massive thundercunt? How about gently caress the Timothy McVeigh mother fucker that you can entertain the idea did this to these people? Reports on Sky are that the wounded in hospital have wounds from shrapnel, I'm sick to death of people trying to create a more politically appeakling situation rather than be "who the gently caress did this poo poo". Stop lashing out at me.
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richardm posted:I've seen reports that rail services are cancelled, but also that lines are 'blocked'. Anyone know what that's about? Manchester Victoria station is right next door to the arena, so I'm assuming the shock of the blast may have damage the lines/tracks/caused some ceiling to fall, ect.
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J33uk posted:May is calling it a terror attack so that's pretty much that. Some thread experts are sure that it's not, so she might want to check her facts.
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