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Mike-o
Dec 25, 2004

Now I'm in your room
And I'm in your bed


Grimey Drawer

MazelTovCocktail posted:

At least it's not Caillou

She watched that when she was younger, too :suicide:

Canada, you guys are nice and all but poo poo you've gotta pay for making Caillou.

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FastestGunAlive
Apr 7, 2010

Dancing palm tree.
Her voice is good imo and she was cool on snl and my hopes are with the victims of this incident

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May
https://twitter.com/nice_mustard/status/866442026090418177

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

jesus christ, a lot of the dead are going to be kids

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

BBC posted:

Witness says people were 'crushed on the floor'
Posted at
20:03
Rachel from Barnsley told BBC Radio Manchester she was in Block 213 of Manchester Arena.

She was with her 14-year-old daughter. To avoid the usual delays exiting the arena at the end of a show they decided to make their way out just before the end.

"As we were going out we heard an almighty bang. At first I thought we'd missed something in the concert.

"As we turned around the corner there was an horrific stampede of people coming down the steps, people falling on floor.

"I grabbed my daughter and we just ran.

"There were people being crushed on the floor."

Kuroyama
Sep 15, 2012
no fucking Anime in GiP

Reverand maynard posted:

jesus christ, a lot of the dead are going to be kids

What sort of silver lining could be found from this?

Mike-o
Dec 25, 2004

Now I'm in your room
And I'm in your bed


Grimey Drawer
gently caress :smith:

Genocide Tendency
Dec 24, 2009

I get mental health care from the medical equivalent of Skillcraft.


Sounds like there are reports that authorities have remains of a suicide bomber.

There goes all my edgy jokes.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?
The hashtag being flooded by concerned significant-others is both perfectly rational and absolutely soul-crushing.

gently caress this dumb planet

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Genocide Tendency posted:

Sounds like there are reports that authorities have remains of a suicide bomber.

There goes all my edgy jokes.

Sounds like the jokes blew up in your face.


Anyways, official statement, 19 dead 50 injured: https://twitter.com/gmpolice/status/866808564316344321

Don't forget: https://media2.wnyc.org/i/800/800/l/80/1/OTM_Consumer_Handbook_TerrorismEdition_1400.png

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



And here comes the flood of Trump supporting racists on facebook to talk about how dangerous islam really is.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
Neo-Nazi converts to Islam, murders two Neo-Nazi roommates. Fourth arrested for bomb-making poo poo, including unspecificied quantities of thorium and americium. Thanks, Allah!

quote:

... Devon Arthurs, 18, murdered two people in the apartment they shared in in the Hamptons at Tampa Palms complex. Both deceased were found in the apartment by the Tampa Police Department with multiple gunshots to the upper body and head.

...

[...] Russell participated in no-Nazi online chat rooms where he “threatened to kill people and bomb infrastructure,” according to the FBI report.

Inside Russell’s bedroom, they found a framed photograph of Timothy McVeigh, who was convicted and put to death for bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. They also found Nazi/white supremacist propaganda, according to the FBI complaint. While in his bedroom, devices used by police bomb technicians alerted to the presence of radiation sources — thorium and americium.

Before asking for an attorney, Russel told FBI agents he was a “national socialist,” according to the complaint, and a member of a group called the “Atom Waffen,” or “atomic weapon” in German.

...
http://www.flkeysnews.com/news/local/article151949072.html



Genocide Tendency posted:

Sounds like there are reports that authorities have remains of a suicide bomber.

The concert really blew him away.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



Haven't seen a blast on stage like that since Hetfield stepped on the pyrotechnics back in 92.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Trump supporters purportedly discussing the construction of a Great White wall against Radical Islamic Terrorism.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-security-manchester-idUSKBN18I2OP

Reuters unfortunately confirming the 19 dead


:(

Kuroyama
Sep 15, 2012
no fucking Anime in GiP

Is it too much to hope that's the final count?

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
England is a historically bad crowd crush country.

FastestGunAlive
Apr 7, 2010

Dancing palm tree.

Accretionist posted:

Neo-Nazi converts to Islam, murders two Neo-Nazi roommates. Fourth arrested for bomb-making poo poo, including unspecificied quantities of thorium and americium. Thanks, Allah!

http://www.flkeysnews.com/news/local/article151949072.html


The concert really blew him away.

My apt in college was about a mile and a half away from there. Used to walk back from a bar all the time that's right next to Hamptons

Arc Light
Sep 26, 2013



Greater Manchester Police reporting controlled det of a second device:

https://twitter.com/gmpolice/status/866813662505447424

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
Apparently a bomb was found at the train station?

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
May Odin watch over those bomb dogs. They're not finding these things so quick without them.

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

2nd device was false alarm according to nbc news

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

2nd device was false alarm according to nbc news

Yeah, after there's been one real bomb, pretty much every box, backpack, handbag, etc., is considered a bomb until either blown up or proven otherwise.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
So, confirmation on the remains of a suicide bomber? Anyone claiming credit?

Second device was fake so lone actor is a possibility?

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

so is trump going to cancel the rest of the europe trip

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Why? The UK left Europe. :downs:

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Kuroyama posted:

What sort of silver lining could be found from this?

Ariana Grande is ok. :shrug:

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Good night Manchester, there will be no encores.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

so is trump going to cancel the rest of the europe trip

No, but Theresa May is going to cancel suspend her campaign.

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners
http://stories.cnas.org/the-return-of-marco-polos-world-and-the-u-s-military-response

long article by kaplan about the emerging world order and its historical links. he's a pretty good writer so it shouldn't be especially taxing for anyone.

sorry its not a trump tweet or a joke about dead kids in england.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

MassivelyBuckNegro posted:

http://stories.cnas.org/the-return-of-marco-polos-world-and-the-u-s-military-response

long article by kaplan about the emerging world order and its historical links. he's a pretty good writer so it shouldn't be especially taxing for anyone.

sorry its not a trump tweet or a joke about dead kids in england.


Unacceptable!

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

MassivelyBuckNegro posted:

dead kids in england.

milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016

MassivelyBuckNegro posted:

http://stories.cnas.org/the-return-of-marco-polos-world-and-the-u-s-military-response

long article by kaplan about the emerging world order and its historical links. he's a pretty good writer so it shouldn't be especially taxing for anyone.

sorry its not a trump tweet or a joke about dead kids in england.

Okay read, honestly it's too dense though.

The stuff about the west diluting and all that seems overblown. exceptionalist societies like the US produce shockingly ignorant conceptual frameworks of how the world works and with it an inability to grasp geographic gravity. A lot of this article reeks of that exceptionalism - "Eurasia" is loving enormous and has never stopped being important. He mentions Kublai Khan in here to illustrate something important - unifying the geographical area of Eurasia is impossible. So I guess Kaplan is the Kublai of writing?

Loved this quote:

quote:

For the world is going in different directions, and the sheer scale of activity will make dominance from any one geographical point like ours harder.

milk milk lemonade fucked around with this message at 04:22 on May 23, 2017

windshipper
Jun 19, 2006

Dr. Whet Faartz would like to know if this smells funny to you?
I also take issue with his comments on history, namely when he starts talking about the Persian Empire, and... It is a stretched metaphor.

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

milk milk lemonade posted:

Okay read, honestly it's too dense though.

The stuff about the west diluting and all that seems overblown. exceptionalist societies like the US produce shockingly ignorant conceptual frameworks of how the world works and with it an inability to grasp geographic gravity. A lot of this article reeks of that exceptionalism - "Eurasia" is loving enormous and has never stopped being important. He mentions Kublai Khan in here to illustrate something important - unifying the geographical area of Eurasia is impossible. So I guess Kaplan is the Kublai of writing?

Kaplan is a good writer, but a lot of the stuff he writes about Europe comes from personal experience, and being a middle-aged dude seeing his hangouts disappearing to fit newer tastes and markets.
The way I read it, the underlying theme in the essay sounds like the left-leaning version of one of Victor Davis Hanson's (decent writer to approach with an awareness of his bias) books. Notably, that there is a Western and Eastern way of thinking, it comes up in his other works- specifically Imperial Grunts and the reporting he did on Fallujah and a big blow-out write up for a conventional war with China. Apparently, he also just joined a dedicated "Eurasia" thinktank in the last couple of months, so he's got some skin in the game to draw in new business.

This is super prominent with a lot of modern histories and politically focused pieces to focus on a difference and separation between Out (European) vs Their (Not-White) thinking when it comes to geopolitics and exertion of force and power. You also see it in a huge chunk of pop history books because, yeah- it backs up a pre-established world view and allows the reader to feel like they can make informed decisions on complex issues in foreign cultures with some amount of knowledge. Yes, different cultures do approach conflict, power projection, and media consumption in different ways, but as MML says, this is a really imperious way of analyzing the current or near-term layout of the world.

The Kublai Khan thing is pertinent to the piece, but I suspect the author stuck it in there to capitalize on the weird trend of veterans in Cybersecurity/leadership roles getting all chubbed up about mongol attitude on staffing and a mongol attitude on threat awareness and defense. CNAS is one of the better think tanks out there, but their revenue is still driven by how good of a hook their long form pieces can sink into execs. I mean, not to begrudge them a buck- but at the same time, they really do a disservice for the casual reader and civilian market that hoovers this poo poo up as gospel.
Kaplan's stuff for the Atlantic is all here: https://www.theatlantic.com/author/robert-d-kaplan/


Can anyone explain the Mongol thing? Is it just banking, or is it happening in other places?

Immanentized fucked around with this message at 05:22 on May 23, 2017

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Kaplan's "The Revenge of Geography" was a pretty fascinating read if you've got the time to read it. He goes through a lot of interesting history and explains it in a geographical context, while also trying not to be too deterministic about it.

BUG JUG
Feb 17, 2005



Immanentized posted:

Can anyone explain the Mongol thing? Is it just banking, or is it happening in other places?

Kaplan is tapping into the current en vogue idea of trans-national (or global, or world, depending on who you ask) history. The idea behind trans-national history whether regional or global in scope is essentially this: if we look at human interaction in the past across borders and ethnicities, we can draw parallels to the globalizing effort that seems to be happening in our current world. In other words: modernity and nationalism hosed everything up, and we're only now getting back to the roots of the global exchange that started happening in the 13-15th centuries and which culminated in the Age of Discovery.

Here's the problem with all of that: it is (at least the way Kaplan deploys it) entirely ahistorical. He cites Laurence Bergreen's argument that the Mongolians "were, in fact, “early practitioners of globalization,” seeking to connect the whole of habitable Eurasia in a truly multicultural empire." I am not entirely on board with this interpretation of the Mongolian conquest of Eurasia as a whole as I think it really attempts to position the leadership of Mongolia (in this case, the Yuan Dynasty, which by the arrival of Marco Polo in 1271 had already lost large chunks of the original Mongolian Empire to succession crises) in the driver's seat for this globalizing process, which I am confident in saying was not the intention of Genghis Khan or his son Ogedei. Kaplan and Bergreen are essentially laying the post-War mindset of trade above all else to keep the peace on top of the Mongolians and claiming that clearly, CLEARLY they must have been thinking about creating large trade networks to support their empire, when I think it is fairly obvious that the resumption of cross-continental trade can be explained by the security that the Mongolian empire provided for the re-establishment of ancient trade routes. In other words: the 'globalization' of trade in the Medieval period was a function of merchants working from the bottom up, rather than caused by any sort of top down state driven policy.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

MazelTovCocktail posted:

At least it's not Caillou

Duzzy Funlop posted:


gently caress this dumb planet


Mr. Nice! posted:

Haven't seen a blast on stage like that since Hetfield stepped on the pyrotechnics back in 92.

:vince:

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

death toll is now 22

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Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

quote:

In a speech alongside Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Trump said those responsible for the deaths of 22 people in Manchester were "evil losers in life."

"I won't call them monsters because they would like that term," Trump said.

"I will call them from now on losers because that's what they are."

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