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mistaya posted:I hope it will make "honest" healers feel more inclined to add some DPS spells to the fight because there's no longer any danger or risk in doing so. It will make no difference.
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there's certainly some healers who will toss out a dps spell or two who weren't before but most people weren't doing it because they weren't actually paying attention or, in some cases, have actually bought into this weird culture war where you're sticking it to the tryhards by not doing damage. it's a QoL thing for people who were already trying to weave cleric stance.
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May 23, 2017 08:01
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The saddest I've ever felt in this game was playing foes requiem in a dungeon with just a WHM for a caster and they asked me why I was doing that, I was like "Just in case you wanted to do some damage" and they were like "Well I don't" and proceeded to just stand around for the rest of the instance. I usually mark it up to people being uncomfortable or unaware about healer DPS, but here was someone that was just saying flat out "No". Some people just Don't Want To Press The Bad Buttons
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May 23, 2017 08:03
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homeless snail posted:The saddest I've ever felt in this game was playing foes requiem in a dungeon with just a WHM for a caster and they asked me why I was doing that, I was like "Just in case you wanted to do some damage" and they were like "Well I don't" and proceeded to just stand around for the rest of the instance. Some people just Don't Want To Press The Bad Buttons I admire your healer's dedication to roleplaying a pacifist.
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May 23, 2017 08:04
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Josuke Higashikata posted:It's not like you're losing any sort of interesting gameplay when cut you CS as a stance. It was always a jerry-rigged solution towards making it so you can actually hurt things and basically revolved around pushing it once to hurt things and once to heal things. It added some excitement to the game when you accidentally double tapped before a tank buster.
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May 23, 2017 08:06
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You guys are more cynical than I am I guess.  Anyways, It can't hurt. I do agree a 5% damage boost (if that's all the new CS cooldown will add) is pretty anemic though.
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May 23, 2017 08:21
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so i found out earlier today foe's requiem pulls mobs, that wasn't fun to learn in a dungeon
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homeless snail posted:The saddest I've ever felt in this game was playing foes requiem in a dungeon with just a WHM for a caster and they asked me why I was doing that, I was like "Just in case you wanted to do some damage" and they were like "Well I don't" and proceeded to just stand around for the rest of the instance. I usually mark it up to people being uncomfortable or unaware about healer DPS, but here was someone that was just saying flat out "No". Some people just Don't Want To Press The Bad Buttons 
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May 23, 2017 08:42
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Thumbtacks posted:so i found out earlier today foe's requiem pulls mobs, that wasn't fun to learn in a dungeon That is the most fun place to learn that actually.
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May 23, 2017 08:43
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Healers not DPS'ing is because they're scared the second they stop casting Cure, S-E are going to inject a new tankbuster into the enemy's skillset that will do Max HP minus 1 damage so they need to be maxed up at all times. Cleric Stance changing isn't going to suddenly change a players entire mindset about playing the game
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May 23, 2017 08:47
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Dammit Yoshi don't tickle my balls telling my AST can now do even weirder card poo poo and then not actually say what any of it is. I heard the ability to combine cards and got excited. Here's hoping it comes with the ability to heal mass pulls without using Nocturnal Stance and hammering Aspected Benefic and hoping I draw Bole
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May 23, 2017 08:50
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Some people also like healing for the healing part and picked it because they actually don't want to DPS or tank. I know this is a hard to understand concept in a game where people only do X because they didn't git gud, but it happens. Maybe one day Yoshi can figure out how to make healing interesting, instead of healing being a necessary evil in between DPS phases.
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May 23, 2017 08:54
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orcane posted:Some people also like healing for the healing part and picked it because they actually don't want to DPS or tank. I know this is a hard to understand concept in a game where people only do X because they didn't git gud, but it happens.
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Even if the intent is that healers add significant DPS numbers, you will not get that through to people who grew up with MMOs in which this was not the case or those who flock to healing precisely because it's not DPS. Nor to people of the "you're not paying my subscription" variety, of course. Also, this is relevant even though it's over 7 years old now: quote:The idea to let healers dps a little is a controversial one though. Some healers just have no interest in it, so while it might make healing a lot more fun for you, it risks making healing a lot less fun for them. I would not approach that idea as an obviously intuitive one that all healers will rally around, because I suspect that's just not the case. You can say this doesn't apply because FF14 is designed around healers DPSing, but considering the amount of  ~honest healers~ we get to make fun of every day, I'd say it's still a valid argument that's not settled just because someone says "this is how it should be".
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May 23, 2017 09:13
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i fistweave and play disc priest in wow because the idea of being an honest healer is to me frankly disgusting.
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Failboattootoot posted:That is the most fun place to learn that actually. Ask who's forgot to turn it off before hopping up to see Ozma in Weeping City.  orcane posted:You can say this doesn't apply because FF14 is designed around healers DPSing, but considering the amount of
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As a honest healer I'd apperciate if everyone would do minimal DPS so I can have more fun time healing everyone to top health, thanks.
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May 23, 2017 09:22
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I dont see disgusting DPS players healing any raid ramage
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May 23, 2017 09:25
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May 23, 2017 09:27
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Losing 10% damage isn't worth the 'hassle' of not having to press a button be in cleric stance. If the new cleric stance is as described earlier in this thread I probably won't even bother taking it.
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Asimo posted:
Instead they all decided to steal the -other- idea of Public Quests, to varying degrees of success.
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Okay, it had two good ideas. And yeah FATEs are definitely... descended from the public quest idea. Even if they're far from the best (or worst) iteration.
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May 23, 2017 09:44
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Cant you whiny fucks just be happy about cool new changes instead of constant pissing and moaning about poo poo? Seriously, everything looks great, and it didnt take a loving year and a half after the last patch to come out.
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Captainsalami posted:Cant you whiny fucks just be happy about cool new changes instead of constant pissing and moaning about poo poo? Seriously, everything looks great, and it didnt take a loving year and a half after the last patch to come out. Destroying cleric stance isn't a cool new change.
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Captainsalami posted:Cant you whiny fucks just be happy about cool new changes instead of constant pissing and moaning about poo poo? Seriously, everything looks great, and it didnt take a loving year and a half after the last patch to come out. no one's sounding all that unhappy in here except you holmes
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Killing CS is by far my favorite change, I play whm all the time and rarely forget to swap and it never felt in any way challenging or rewarding, it's just a chore. The rewarding part of healing is using cooldowns effectively and not letting people die.
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May 23, 2017 09:51
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*presses rouse off cooldown* This is so rewarding
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TheNabster posted:Dammit Yoshi don't tickle my balls telling my AST can now do even weirder card poo poo and then not actually say what any of it is. I can't be certain, but I think AST gets a ground-target skill properly. (you know, one that won't cut out when poo poo like Zurvan's phase 3 transition happens.) The video made it look like you could throw cards at the entity at the center of the ground-target. What that might mean mechanically, however, is anyone's gess.
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TSW had offensive and defensive targets and it was really nice (until you accidentally lost either or both of them because TSW was wonky as hell).
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May 23, 2017 10:04
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Real happy about the changes, pretty much. Will still likely roll SAM at launch but I wasn't counting on so much hype for the existing classes. It seems like the changes are more logical refinements rather than complete overhauls. That's the way it should be.
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I still love that this questline is subtly trying to get new players to realize they can use all of their kit and not just heal. Sadly, it was probably too subtle. Also you DPS-heal not because you don't want to be ~hoenesto~ but because you respect your own drat time, never mind everyone else's. I still maintain that a lot of hardcore honest healers haven't actually tried to maximize their DPS on trash especially, and then kept an eye on the clock comparing a no-DPS run to a DPS one. Especially when dealing with pubs who might not be good at DPS themselves.
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May 23, 2017 11:52
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The Sylphie story is a harrowing tale of bullying and peer pressure
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As a one year veteran White Mage, it was too subtle
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May 23, 2017 11:58
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"That doesn't apply to me, I'm a Scholar"
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Failboattootoot posted:Berserk got nerfed from 50% to 30% so your sass falls on deaf ears! I know, that's why I made sure to say "right now" homeless snail posted:The saddest I've ever felt in this game was playing foes requiem in a dungeon with just a WHM for a caster and they asked me why I was doing that, I was like "Just in case you wanted to do some damage" and they were like "Well I don't" and proceeded to just stand around for the rest of the instance. I usually mark it up to people being uncomfortable or unaware about healer DPS, but here was someone that was just saying flat out "No". Some people just Don't Want To Press The Bad Buttons {Vote Dismiss} Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 12:21 on May 23, 2017 |
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Xarbala posted:"That doesn't apply to me, I'm a Scholar" You can't make me heal either ! I've got a fairy healing the tank! That's good enough for most situations in roulette!
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The changes look great! I'm thinking I may jump back over to PLD from DRK since I prefer the aesthetic and now that they won't be poo poo at AoE I can run it in regular dungeons without feeling like I'm holding everyone back. Thinking I may main WHM for healer too, if just for the AF3.
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Robo Reagan posted:Are they going to do anything in Stormblood to make leveling alt classes less of a garbage fire? Everyone is assuming the armory bonus in HW content will get bumped from 50 to 100% which is what happened to ARR when HW came out but otherwise I don't think so.
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