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Is there any difference good or bad with cops in the PNW or are we just telling pretense to gently caress off at this point?
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George posted:Seattle has a legendarily lovely police department. Cool, lets talk about that. Has it always been the case or did poo poo escalate when Huckabees criminal negligence pardoned a cop killer and had the Seattle PD lose what was it.. 2 or 4 in a random diner?
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May 20, 2017 06:07
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RuanGacho posted:Is there any difference good or bad with cops in the PNW or are we just telling pretense to gently caress off at this point?
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anthonypants posted:All cops are bastards. Portland cops, specifically, are unabashed nazis. This is possibly the case in other cities but we can say it is a certainty in Portland. Absolutely this.
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May 20, 2017 08:13
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Maybe this was when everything changed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mh8DPfc2KQ Shifty Nipples posted:I've been told that this incident "changed everything" Or maybe some school shooting in the 90s is really what happened to make all cops in the USA begin to systemically utilize force whenever their authority was not immediately followed. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 18:42 on May 20, 2017 |
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May 20, 2017 18:40
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RuanGacho posted:Cool, lets talk about that. I think people started really looking at them when they shot that native american dude for no reason
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May 21, 2017 17:18
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RuanGacho posted:Cool, lets talk about that. Sorry dude, but cops have long been horrible fuckers in the Seattle area. https://epls.org/251/The-Everett-Massacre Don't forget all the poo poo that went down at the WTO protests. The Seattle police are so bad the federal government put them under consent decree. In other words, you don't get to act like the cops are innocent.
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May 21, 2017 17:27
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DevNull posted:Sorry dude, but cops have long been horrible fuckers in the Seattle area. You probably shouldnt assume I want to "act" like anything. I have to cope with the fact that I have to work with small town cops who work on a community policing model who seem to get it, and the fact that there's cops in the same dept who seem to have all those coincidental norse pride tatts. I'm pretty sure the only thing preventing some of these people from being outted as horrible racist shitbags is a lack of minority targets. I am not as a person, who pretends to be reasonable all, that comfortable with saying all cops are uniformly bad because you know, faith in humanity and the whole people say simliar blanket statements about government workers in general just because they're on the other side of the political spectrum. There's a lot of poo poo broken but I am fairly sure we're not going to fix it by otherising people. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 18:15 on May 21, 2017 |
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coyo7e posted:Maybe this was when everything changed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mh8DPfc2KQ Well yeah if you want to give a serious answer. e: Columbine really hosed with my head.
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Shifty Nipples posted:Well yeah if you want to give a serious answer.
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RuanGacho posted:You probably shouldnt assume I want to "act" like anything. You immediately jumped to a story about cops being under attack. You are defending their bad behavior. Cops are by definition separated from civilians. They knowingly do this so that they can be a violent actor in support of the state. Don't try to pretend they are a marginalized group the is mistreated by society and "otherised" like they are an oppressed group.
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DevNull posted:You immediately jumped to a story about cops being under attack. You are defending their bad behavior. If you're an anarchist this assertion makes sense, but in that case it would be inappropriate for you to claim solidarity with ... probably humanity itself. Its fine if you want to disagree with me, I do not have the luxury or privilege of spouting off on the internet that people I have to work with are enemy combatants. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 20:40 on May 21, 2017 |
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May 21, 2017 20:37
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Then you should probably find a job that doesn't require aiding and defending "enemy combatants". E: and maybe also convince the "good" cops you know to do the same. Error 404 fucked around with this message at 20:52 on May 21, 2017 |
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Error 404 posted:Then you should probably find a job that doesn't require aiding and defending "enemy combatants".  Police are civilians, a corrupted system and culture allows them to act otherwise. poo poo doesnt fly in my town. quote:E: and maybe also convince the "good" cops you know to do the same. Both parties are the same, Im not voting! RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 20:58 on May 21, 2017 |
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May 21, 2017 20:55
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"In general, a civilian is "a person who is not a member of the military or of a police or firefighting force", as defined by Merriam Webster's Dictionary." oops
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Shifty Nipples posted:"In general, a civilian is "a person who is not a member of the military or of a police or firefighting force", as defined by Merriam Webster's Dictionary."
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anthonypants posted:that's bullshit though knowing that would require I read further though
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May 21, 2017 21:14
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anthonypants posted:that's bullshit though Correct, and it has to start with us. If all the good people who interact with the cops leave, who's left? When then video cameras that get installed finally happen, they're not going to be in police jurisdiction, they're going to be MY record to maintain. Somebody decides to go Odin Pride they're not getting away with poo poo in my town.
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May 21, 2017 21:15
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RuanGacho posted:If you're an anarchist this assertion makes sense, but in that case it would be inappropriate for you to claim solidarity with ... probably humanity itself. This is actually the stance of communism as well. Marx and Lenin both talk a lot about police being a state tool of oppression and violence. You clearly know nothing about communism or anarchism if you think they have no solidarity with humanity.
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Its funny that some of you are so 'no, i'm the maddest at cops' that you get mad at the guy who agrees that cops do bad things but says they aren't literally demons wearing human skin. Maybe... get some perspective?
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Peachfart posted:Its funny that some of you are so 'no, i'm the maddest at cops' that you get mad at the guy who agrees that cops do bad things but says they aren't literally demons wearing human skin. No one said this. We said that they are a state tool that protects the wealth of the ruling class and can't be reformed. They commit violence to uphold the hierarchies of society. We aim to abolish those hierarchies, so the police are a violent force against that goal.
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May 22, 2017 00:38
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Also reform never works. Putting in new carpet does fuckall when your foundation is cracked.
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May 22, 2017 01:05
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Untrue. Your floor will be more comfortable until the ceiling lands on you.
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Welp https://twitter.com/ericacbarnett/status/866857973343178756
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lmao it's the worst of both worlds because many people who are sympathetic to socialism, especially in this city look unkindly on anyone who would cavort with the Democratic party, but your standard soccermom liberal isn't going to look twice at a candidate without that D. He gets the worst of both worlds.,
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If he is running as a Democratic Socialist, then why is it surprising that the Democrats(a different party) don't want to endorse him? He could try running as a Democrat instead.
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Mr. Lobe posted:lmao it's the worst of both worlds because many people who are sympathetic to socialism, especially in this city look unkindly on anyone who would cavort with the Democratic party, but your standard soccermom liberal isn't going to look twice at a candidate without that D. He gets the worst of both worlds., Can't go third party progressive because the soccer moms want the (D), can't join the Dems because the party wants Republican-lite.
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Liberals will always sell out the left to move further right, because in the end they're more concerned with greasing the wheels of capitalism and respectability politics than helping people. Democracy is just running from the growling wolf into the jaws of the smiling fox. The Unlife Aquatic fucked around with this message at 09:33 on May 23, 2017 |
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May 23, 2017 09:29
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DevNull posted:No one said this. We said that they are a state tool that protects the wealth of the ruling class and can't be reformed. They commit violence to uphold the hierarchies of society. We aim to abolish those hierarchies, so the police are a violent force against that goal. And yet you and others are busy making GBS threads all over someone who's actually trying to do the hard work of governing to make lasting change.
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Solkanar512 posted:And yet you and others are busy making GBS threads all over someone who's actually trying to do the hard work of governing to make lasting change. We are actually the ones doing the hard work to make lasting change. I have met some of the other people in this thread, and seen them out actually doing poo poo. None of those people are defending the cops. Jon was never going to get the endorsement. Erica was just grandstanding to poo poo on Jon for having the gall to run without the blessing of the democratic party. She has been attacking him quite a bit over the past few days. Mostly for owning a house, which is a familiar argument for her: https://www.seattlemet.com/articles/2013/10/9/isnt-it-weird-that-october-kshama-2013 Erica of course has no problem with Bruce Harrell's multi-million dollar mansion: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5846-Seward-Park-Ave-S-Seattle-WA-98118/49105402_zpid/ Keep in mind that Erica also spend the last year complaining about bernie bros. She is consistently attacking anyone the is even slightly to the left of the democratic party. If you have the D next to your name, you can actually be a horrendous piece of poo poo, i.e. Tim Burgess. Liberals in the city have never attacked him in the way they have attacked Kshama.
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Oh, and Nikkita Oliver was never going to get the 37dems endorsement either. They will drag out identity politics to attack Jon for running against Teresa Mosqueda, but they magically forget those arguments the second a black person is running for office. edit: Unless of course they find black person that is willing to back poo poo like the North Seattle police bunker. DevNull fucked around with this message at 15:52 on May 23, 2017 |
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DevNull posted:Oh, and Nikkita Oliver was never going to get the 37dems endorsement either. They will drag out identity politics to attack Jon for running against Teresa Mosqueda, but they magically forget those arguments the second a black person is running for office. 'identity politics' Using this as a negative always says so much about a person.
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Peachfart posted:'identity politics' Only if you assume that criticism only comes from the right. https://medium.com/@DevynSpringer/the-alt-left-only-exists-to-liberals-ec0560910fe9
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DevNull posted:Only if you assume that criticism only comes from the right. Oh, no. I'm well aware that the left has its share of people who treat 'identity politics' as a negative.
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Peachfart posted:Oh, no. I'm well aware that the left has its share of people who treat 'identity politics' as a negative. https://twitter.com/historyinflicks/status/839732795706593281
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How many tweets does it take to make a coherent argument that minority issues aren't important? Peachfart fucked around with this message at 16:36 on May 23, 2017 |
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DevNull posted:We are actually the ones doing the hard work to make lasting change. I have met some of the other people in this thread, and seen them out actually doing poo poo. None of those people are defending the cops.[/url] And yet you think your issues with the police are so trivial that you have the luxury of forming a circular firing squad? That's loving stupid. quote:Keep in mind that Erica also spend the last year complaining about bernie bros. She is consistently attacking anyone the is even slightly to the left of the democratic party. If you have the D next to your name, you can actually be a horrendous piece of poo poo, i.e. Tim Burgess. Liberals in the city have never attacked him in the way they have attacked Kshama. Maybe Sawant shouldn't have tried to speak for Boeing machinists and engineers when she doesn't know the first thing about what they do or how their business works.
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Peachfart posted:How many tweets does it take to make a coherent argument that minority issues aren't important? yo I'm pretty sure when most leftists complain about identity politics, they are complaining about the tendency of certain liberal mindsets to ignore the centrality of structural causes of oppression to instead paint these issues as matters of personal moral failings, or simply a matter of inadequate representation of oppressed groups in the ruling class I'm not saying class reductionists do not exist, but I do not think anyone in this thread is actually saying that the specific fights against specific oppression is unimportant
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