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nothing to seehere posted:Ah yes, it's not like USA is a net oil exporter now or that SA only controls about 8% of world oil production, or the UK have native oil production in the North Sea (for now). Keep believing that we must listen to SA over the oil, and not just because our government makes a fuckload of money off them. Saudi Arabia are second in global oil reserves, with Venezuela being first (who by the way we talk to also, despite whatever the gently caress is going on in their country). After that your options are Iran, Iraq and the UAE. The only friendly nation with large oil reserves is Canada. The United States is pretty low ranked and the North Sea doesn't even get considered at all because its reverses twindled ages ago. Whether you like it or not we're forced to talk to the Sauds, both for stability in the middle east and resources to the first world. Nobody likes it, everyone is fully aware of what the Sauds are, but the world isn't black and white. You don't go "we're not talking to you" without serious repercussions. If it makes you feel better, in about hundred years time or so we'll probably all kill each other over the Arctic reserves. So look on the bright side!
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Rakosi posted:How the gently caress did I get a month long probe for calling people on this poo poo and posters like you are still part of the zeitgeist around this thread? I couldn't possibly comment.
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kustomkarkommando posted:There was those chaps wot starved themselves to death. Was kind of a big deal at the time As I was reliably informed on Facebook the other day, if you run a hunger strike and don't die at the end then it's an insult to the memory of Bobby Sands.
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For real though how can the Tories get mad at salafist terror attacks and then continue the relationship they have with Saudi Arabia. You can't take them seriously, they should be shouted off every podium they mount
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:For real though how can the Tories get mad at salafist terror attacks and then continue the relationship they have with Saudi Arabia. Fathomless sums of money
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May 23, 2017 10:12
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WMain00 posted:Whether you like it or not we're forced to talk to the Sauds, both for stability in the middle east and resources to the first world. Nobody likes it, everyone is fully aware of what the Sauds are, but the world isn't black and white. You don't go "we're not talking to you" without serious repercussions. By what stretch of the imagination do our dealings with the Saudis contribute to stability in the middle east?
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TomViolence posted:By what stretch of the imagination do our dealings with the Saudis contribute to stability in the middle east? For Strong and Stable government in the Middle East we most indiscriminately bomb Yemen and watch their refugees die of mass starvation. Otherwise the terrorists will win.
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WMain00 posted:Saudi Arabia are second in global oil reserves, with Venezuela being first (who by the way we talk to also, despite whatever the gently caress is going on in their country). After that your options are Iran, Iraq and the UAE. The only friendly nation with large oil reserves is Canada. The United States is pretty low ranked and the North Sea doesn't even get considered at all because its reverses twindled ages ago. Also nuclear + renewable for electrical energy generation, which is a good plan.
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My facebook feed is full of "this is sad and all but whats really bad is how the tories will spin this!". I hate universities.
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^^^Maybe it's a little gauche but you cant claim it isnt a valid and important perspective. The Tories are winning heavily based on two fluke events: brexit and a terrorist attack and are using both to ruin the UK. I reckon campaigning will be resumed on late Thursday. That'll give the press terror headlines for three days and the Tories will have a big press announcement of something on Friday fed to the press the night before so they get glowing coverage and then it's the weekend and the manifesto shitshow that was Monday will be completely forgotten. gently caress I was feeling really good yesterday. namesake fucked around with this message at 10:23 on May 23, 2017 |
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WMain00 posted:Saudi Arabia are second in global oil reserves, with Venezuela being first (who by the way we talk to also, despite whatever the gently caress is going on in their country). After that your options are Iran, Iraq and the UAE. The only friendly nation with large oil reserves is Canada. The United States is pretty low ranked and the North Sea doesn't even get considered at all because its reverses twindled ages ago. I didn't realise the only way to talk to Saudi Arabia is through an arms deal. Nobody is forcing us to enable the bombing of starving Yemeni kids and you're insane if you think people have made a legitimate decision to have cheaper fuel prices in exchange for an ever increasing body count in the Middle East. The topic is not discussed for the simple reason that it makes people too uncomfortable to think about it.
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Rakosi posted:My facebook feed is full of "this is sad and all but whats really bad is how the tories will spin this!". They're not wrong, in a way. Terrorist incidents are terrible tragedies, but when governments react harming their own citizens to enact ineffective "prevention" measures, turning into a police-state, it's much worse, affecting millions of people over long periods of time and even increasing mortality in a furtive way.
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Rakosi posted:My facebook feed is full of "this is sad and all but whats really bad is how the tories will spin this!".
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Rakosi posted:My facebook feed is full of "this is sad and all but whats really bad is how the tories will spin this!". This is 100% correct though
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Rakosi posted:My facebook feed is full of "this is sad and all but whats really bad is how the tories will spin this!". That is actually what is really bad. For thousands of people continued Tory government is a direct threat to their life already, and a Tory government coming in off the back of a terrorist attack is going to look at right-wing policies for dealing with it, which judging by newspaper columnists on Twitter are a sliding scale from internment camps to genocide. This might be difficult to understand if you're stuck on understanding politics as a sort of suited-up football match.
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Scikar posted:I didn't realise the only way to talk to Saudi Arabia is through an arms deal. Nobody is forcing us to enable the bombing of starving Yemeni kids and you're insane if you think people have made a legitimate decision to have cheaper fuel prices in exchange for an ever increasing body count in the Middle East. The topic is not discussed for the simple reason that it makes people too uncomfortable to think about it. Look mate we didn't destabilise Iraq and cause a foreverwar with Islam to then go and pay £2/litre. Get your thinking cap on.
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:For real though how can the Tories get mad at salafist terror attacks and then continue the relationship they have with Saudi Arabia. Hope the UKMT posters from the Manchester neck of the woods are alright.
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Rakosi posted:My facebook feed is full of "this is sad and all but whats really bad is how the tories will spin this!". Given you were making GBS threads triumphantly in here about Jo Cox being gunned down in the street I don't think you have the right to decry other peoples' reactions to a tragedy.
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TomViolence posted:By what stretch of the imagination do our dealings with the Saudis contribute to stability in the middle east? Saudi Arabia and Iran are in a cold war over religious differences and Israel. The Sauds are less of a threat toward Israeli security, whereas Iran would quite happily threaten or attack Israel. If the Sauds weren't in the way, then Iran would be a serious threat. Any attack on Israel would likely lead to nuclear stand off and since said stand off would be based on religous grounds, rather than political ala the US/Russia, you can fully expect things to heat up into nuclear annihilation. Kiss goodbye to the Middle East. Stability of Saudi Arabia is tied to stability of the world. Without one you don't have the other.
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Yes, I hope that people are safe and my condolences go out to the victims and their families. As a minor aside, I want to mention that my postal vote arrived earlier today for the goon who was asking about them many many pages back.
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Tesseraction posted:Look mate we didn't destabilise Iraq and cause a foreverwar with Islam to then go and pay £2/litre. Get your thinking cap on.
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Oberleutnant posted:I'll tell you what's really sad - it's how cunts like you are too shamefaced to show your face itt when it's business as usual, but as soon as some innocent people get torn to bits you cannot loving wait to get your "just asking questions" posting gloves on. gently caress off. Calm down, DnD is not a place just for regulars. It's a place for debate and discussions, and everyone is welcome, whether they post regularly or want to chime in only when huge events occur. I don't post here, hardly ever, but read it a lot. There seems to be an uncomfortable "regulars only" attitude here sometimes. The group only becomes stronger for letting everyone visit.
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WMain00 posted:Saudi Arabia and Iran are in a cold war over religious differences and Israel. The Sauds are less of a threat toward Israeli security, whereas Iran would quite happily threaten or attack Israel. If the Sauds weren't in the way, then Iran would be a serious threat. Any attack on Israel would likely lead to nuclear stand off and since said stand off would be based on religous grounds, rather than political ala the US/Russia, you can fully expect things to heat up into nuclear annihilation. Kiss goodbye to the Middle East. Oh you're one of those insane people who think that THE LIONS OF SAUD are the only thing stopping Iran from bombing Israel, when in reality Iran is more concerned with not being nuked by the US, UK and France for trying anything more drastic than flicking Israel the bird.
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i imagine this is going to change now https://twitter.com/JoshuaJamesBott...plosion-england
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WMain00 posted:Saudi Arabia and Iran are in a cold war over religious differences and Israel. The Sauds are less of a threat toward Israeli security, whereas Iran would quite happily threaten or attack Israel. If the Sauds weren't in the way, then Iran would be a serious threat. Any attack on Israel would likely lead to nuclear stand off and since said stand off would be based on religous grounds, rather than political ala the US/Russia, you can fully expect things to heat up into nuclear annihilation. Kiss goodbye to the Middle East. This is the plot of an unpublished Tom Clancy novel and has only the most tenuous of resemblances to actual geopolitical realities.
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Funso Banjo posted:Calm down, DnD is not a place just for regulars. It's a place for debate and discussions, and everyone is welcome, whether they post regularly or want to chime in only when huge events occur. And no, the thread isn't stronger for their presence.
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TomViolence posted:This is the plot of an unpublished Tom Clancy novel and has only the most tenuous of resemblances to actual geopolitical realities. The Sum of All Right-Wing Fever Dreams
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The UK's reliance on Saudi oil as a defence for enabling global terrorism and human rights abuses loses a bit of its sheen when you see how the Tories work to undermine investment in renewable energiesWMain00 posted:Saudi Arabia and Iran are in a cold war over religious differences and Israel. The Sauds are less of a threat toward Israeli security, whereas Iran would quite happily threaten or attack Israel. If the Sauds weren't in the way, then Iran would be a serious threat. Any attack on Israel would likely lead to nuclear stand off and since said stand off would be based on religous grounds, rather than political ala the US/Russia, you can fully expect things to heat up into nuclear annihilation. Kiss goodbye to the Middle East. Look at this post. Look at it
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Jose posted:i imagine this is going to change now They weren't, though. The bomb went off in the foyer.
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Oberleutnant posted:UKMT is not "regulars only" it's non-nazis--slavery-aologists-and-white-supremacists only - an amazingly low bar to summit, and yet so many fail. My man have you considered that if we just gave genocide a try we'd find we'd enjoy it a lot? Just asking questions... *unsuccessfully tries to hide mein kampf behind back*
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Funso Banjo posted:Calm down, DnD is not a place just for regulars. It's a place for debate and discussions, and everyone is welcome, whether they post regularly or want to chime in only when huge events occur. Yeah but no. It's more like we don't tolerate racist cunts posting "just asking questions" bullshit. This thread is incredibly welcoming to non disingenuous twats with different viewpoints. I'm not a regular and have been welcomed with open arms. I assume because I'm not a can't. You won't however get far with the "we should engage with them otherwise we are the bad guys" liberalism ITT.
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Tesseraction posted:My man have you considered that if we just gave genocide a try we'd find we'd enjoy it a lot? Just asking questions... *unsuccessfully tries to hide mein kampf behind back* You mean more genocide.
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Funso Banjo posted:The group only becomes stronger for letting everyone visit. Ah I see you're yet to meet Intrinsic Field Marshall
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Pochoclo posted:We should have gone full nuclear/renewables a long time ago. Fossil fuels and the world's greed for them have destroyed any chance of stability for the whole Middle Eastern peoples.
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Praseodymi posted:You mean more genocide. I meant if we-in-this-thread took part in the current genocides our hateful country perpetrates.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Ah I see you're yet to meet Intrinsic Field Marshall Not to mention our regular shitheads such as hakimashou and the Gassy Nazi.
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