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Oberleutnant posted:There's something ludicrous and surreal in the way that people hundreds and thousands of miles away can get this incredibly intimate insight into these horrendous events, but are still utterly divorced from them. Yeah, that's possibly it. Like, when the France attack happened I was really shocked, but there was a lingering feeling of "But we're not in France". Now I'm feeling like "But I'm not in Manchester", too. There's this weird mix of anxiety and alienation, like I'm simultaneously anxious about being bombed while I'm trying to rationally remind myself I'm actually miles away from anything, and it all comes out kind of numb. I dunno. I'm probably just trying to process this mess before the office gets back to me to say if I'm coming in today.
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May 23, 2017 11:11
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May 23, 2017 11:13
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TomViolence posted:You can't depoliticise violence and the fact that people pretend you can is the most dangerous thing about terror attacks. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader as to whether I mean colloquially by legislation or by using one of those clamp things that you attach to a cordless drill.
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May 23, 2017 11:14
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knox_harrington posted:This was also what I heard from an Iranian woman I was dating, though I have difficulty squaring this with Iran holding public executions and having religious police. I've worked with people who have been victims of Iranian torture. Some dark stuff happens in Iran.
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May 23, 2017 11:16
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May 23, 2017 11:17
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TomViolence posted:You can't depoliticise violence and the fact that people pretend you can is the most dangerous thing about terror attacks. Likewise for the "oh they're just crazed psychos". What scared me about the Lee Rigby killing was how disturbingly rational the killers were - explaining exactly why they did it, the point they were trying to make. They even apologised to witnesses and told them not to feel bad if they were too scared to intervene, as they'd probably have just killed them too.
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May 23, 2017 11:18
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namesake posted:^^^Maybe it's a little gauche but you cant claim it isnt a valid and important perspective. The Tories are winning heavily based on two fluke events: brexit and a terrorist attack and are using both to ruin the UK. Labour freely decided to put Jeremy "arrested at Brighton Bomber trial protest" Corbyn in charge with his pals Diane "every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us" Abbott & John "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle" McDonnell. It's a bit late to be complaining all that doesn't look that great to the electorate when an event like this was always possible and sadly will likely happen again at some point. Even if the brand of extremist nutjob out to kill the innocent is different.
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May 23, 2017 11:21
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TomViolence posted:Everything in the middle east, from the rulers to the borders to the material circumstances and systems of government, are products of some degree of western intervention. quote:What indigenous movements and leaders arose throughout the twentieth century were largely squashed or ostracised or co-opted with a few notable exceptions. It's not that middle eastern nations and their people are without agency exactly, it's that their economic, cultural and political development has been studiously pruned by both their own rulers and by western powers like the branches of a bonsai tree.
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May 23, 2017 11:22
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Tesseraction posted:And my point was that not having control over the circumstances of your life means different things to different people. For a Yemeni family it means that trying to live their lives can be interrupted by American Justice like in Trump's botched Yemen raid. Somehow I doubt you have to worry about such a thing happening to you on a daily basis.
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May 23, 2017 11:23
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AP posted:Labour freely decided to put Jeremy "arrested at Brighton Bomber trial protest" Corbyn in charge with his pals Diane "every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us" Abbott & John "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle" McDonnell. 
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May 23, 2017 11:26
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AP posted:Labour freely decided to put Jeremy "arrested at Brighton Bomber trial protest" Corbyn in charge with his pals Diane "every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us" Abbott & John "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle" McDonnell. The "brand" is different in that one "brand" now has elected MPs in parliament. The comparison only remotely holds because our press are willing to jeopardise peace in northern island by rewriting history to make Corbyn, who is a borderline pacifist, look worse.
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May 23, 2017 11:27
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jBrereton posted:Wow now that is some loving insight. Maybe next time try not making a patronising oversimplification when calling someone else out for oversimplification, thanks in advance.
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May 23, 2017 11:27
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jBrereton posted:How is that different to the situation in our own country? I mean that genuinely. Protip, the UK ruled the world for quite a long time, nobody told it what to do, it did that itself.
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May 23, 2017 11:27
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What the gently caress? Also charge your phone.
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May 23, 2017 11:29
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May 23, 2017 11:29
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Yesterday I decided not to do any kind of news or media in general. I went out and I mowed a meadow and stacked firewood with the sun on my back and the birds singing around me. Best day I have had in awhile. I wish I had done that today instead though. Fucks sake. 
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May 23, 2017 11:30
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May 23, 2017 11:31
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jBrereton posted:And the product to some degree of northern and eastern intervention at times, too. There is not a single country on the Arabian peninsula run in a "Western" way, and the borders of all of the countries there, and how their societies are organised is quite different to how the British in particular tried to leave it. They're also quite different to what Nasser-inspired nationalists wanted in most cases (also a foreign import to the peninsula if one that resonated with quite a lot of people), and as to the socialist state of South Yemen, well the less said about them and the USSR the better. The gist of my take on things is that the carve-up of the Ottoman empire and stuff like awarding Arabia to Ibn saud and the Balfour declaration and whatnot set the stage for the wholesale murderfucking that's characterised the region ever since. And instead of letting the regional players sort things out amongst themselves we've repeatedly stuck our dick in that hornet's nest, usually for our own interests, but often to do the dirty work of regional pawns, and it's never ended well for the people on the business end. We're stupid enough to think we can keep the peace by waging constant war - whether through proxies or off our own back. quote:How is that different to the situation in our own country? I mean that genuinely. Fair point, I s'pose. I guess largely what I mean is that while the tail does wag the dog to an extent, the middle eastern situation is inevitably defined by its relationship to western power and it's not just a case of those wily natives playing us off against one another while they pad their own pockets.
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May 23, 2017 11:32
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OwlFancier posted:Protip, the UK ruled the world for quite a long time, nobody told it what to do, it did that itself.
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Guavanaut posted:All I see there is "Some fans urinated on the brave cops." Christ, what a rag.
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jBrereton posted:Let me tell you my man, my dissertation was more or less on the end of empire in the Arabian Peninsula in the fifties and sixties and I'm sure the ramshackle Well gently caress, you should've said so at the outset and I wouldn't have wasted both of our time waffling hopelessly while almost assuredly out of my depth.
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May 23, 2017 11:38
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The Arndale has been evacuated now after some people heard a bang. I shop/hang out there every weekend. Fucks sake.
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May 23, 2017 11:39
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jBrereton posted:I'm sure the ramshackle, intensely personal, vain nature of the whole thing was pretty reflective of how the empire was actually run once you look an inch under the popular perception Your assumption is 100% correct.
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Rakosi posted:The Arndale has been evacuated now after some people heard a bang. I shop/hang out there every weekend. Fucks sake. MY CONVENIENCE 
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May 23, 2017 11:40
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https://twitter.com/danhett/status/866960257150529536 The incredible British press. But they definitely don't need regulation.
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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/danhett/status/866960257150529536 Imagine if just once they used their powers for good.
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TomViolence posted:The gist of my take on things is that the carve-up of the Ottoman empire and stuff like awarding Arabia to Ibn saud and the Balfour declaration and whatnot set the stage for the wholesale murderfucking that's characterised the region ever since.
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May 23, 2017 11:42
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Tesseraction posted:MY CONVENIENCE "Fucks sake" as in, "this is so close to home and so awful". Also, you are the most massive oval office. gently caress off.
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Oberleutnant posted:I'm currently conserving and cataloguing a fuckload of personal papers of big time players in the empire including Lord Milner, Curzon, Cecil Rhodes, and a bunch of others who are less famous but perhaps only slightly less influential. I'll be very sad if the real Cecil Rhodes wasn't this Hank Scorpio-esque bastard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M5TthS-Bys
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Oberleutnant posted:Imagine if just once they used their powers for good. Easier to imagine peace in the Middle East unfortunately.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Likewise for the "oh they're just crazed psychos". Ironically despite that apparent rationality, one of the killers had a long term serious mental illness
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Rakosi posted:The Arndale has been evacuated now after some people heard a bang. I shop/hang out there every weekend. Fucks sake. From the BBC report it sounds like there was an arrest taking place there.
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Rakosi posted:"Fucks sake" as in, "this is so close to home and so awful". Oh hey if you've finally decided these tragedies are bad then I'm glad of it.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:We didn't have 24 hour rolling news and everyone carrying a camera in their pocket then. Plus the news media didn't want to propagate a lust to carpetbomb Belfast back to the stone age. Not to mention the IRA didn't blow up concert halls full of kids.
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Tesseraction posted:Oh hey if you've finally decided these tragedies are bad then I'm glad of it. Your brain is actually broke. gently caress off posting or replying to me if you arent going to read anything I write. Would save both of us a lot of time.
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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/danhett/status/866960257150529536 Journalists doing journalist things and tracking down sources seems like nothing to complain about.
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josh04 posted:I'll be very sad if the real Cecil Rhodes wasn't this Hank Scorpio-esque bastard. The funniest thing I can tell you is that Rhodes spent most of the 2nd Boer War besieged in Kimberley, throwing a constant fit about it. There are a bunch of telegrams to the Brit government whining about how if they don't send an army to relieve him personally and immediately he and his company (ie de Beers) are going to unilaterally open negotiations with the Boers. There's also an unpublished report by the government's official military historian of the time, who credits Rhodes with single-handedly almost losing that war, because the commander on the ground (Redvers Buller) was ordered to split his forces to rescue Rhodes, which resulted in some serious disasters and setbacks from engagements with the Boers. This resulted in a major panic, and the entirety of the British isles was emptied of troops as every available soldier was sent to South Africa, and there was some serious handwringing about the possibility of invasion by a continental power. For years afterwards there was a long-running debate inParliament, the press, and public, about the advisability of instituting mandatory universal conscription and military training for all school-children over the age of 10. And all because Cecil Rhodes threw a paddy about being stuck in Kimberley.
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GaussianCopula posted:Journalists doing journalist things and tracking down sources seems like nothing to complain about. Get out nazi.
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jBrereton posted:And I'm sure the slightly misguided but trying to be nice + self-critical end of the population of the Ottoman empire blamed themselves for the disputes largely caused by the locals, just like the Georgians, il-Khanate, and so on, because woe was the folly of putting the dividing lines for the viyalet hither or thither and thus causing the problems etc. Well, sure, but maybe living under the boot of whatever hegemon had thrown a dart at their bit of map that day was an exacerbating factor in those local squabbles in the first place. Maybe the development towards peace and stability could never reasonably be undertaken with all these imperialist powers fighting to exercise suzerainty over their sandpit, playing them off against one another in an endless tug of war. Is there really any excuse for the continuation of such imperial politics now, and can the locals really be blamed for their petty squabbles, grudges and feuds when infinitely more powrful parties materially contribute to the continuation of that bloodshed?
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