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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Probably arresting his friends

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ariana-grande-concert-manchester-arena-bombing-suspect-salman-abedi-isis-claim/

quote:

CBS News confirmed Tuesday that the man who blew himself up the previous night at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, England, was 23-year-old Salman Abedi, who was known to British authorities prior to the attack.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


buckets of buckets posted:

My point was more to do with Poland, Hungary etc. not being on the map. Belgium's on there, despite not having committed any heinous colonial acts for quite some time. The common factor being immigration policy.

Funny that Greece isn't on there. Or Italy. Both countries which are "first stops" for a lot of refugees coming to Europe. Nor Malta, Bulgaria, or Cyprus.

Sure looks like you are making massive assumptions to fit your particular anti-refugee narrative.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

croc suit posted:

Internal problem vs imported problem

this is why everyone loves, respects and admires Pissflaps and hate all the drive by poo poo posters

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

:monocle:

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

buckets of buckets posted:

My point was more to do with Poland, Hungary etc. not being on the map. Belgium's on there, despite not having committed any heinous colonial acts for quite some time. The common factor being immigration policy.

Canada and Australia have higher net immigration rates than the UK and they're not exactly drowning in terror attacks.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Yvonmukluk posted:

Also, as other goons have noted: if it was on that map (although it was left off for some reason), the 2011 Norway attacks would be the second-largest, and they were undertaken by a nativist, anti-immigrant Norwegian.

But the list/graph/image was from 2015 onwards? Why should they have picked one strike from 2011 in addition, I wonder?

If you take that path, why not extend it to 2000 or 1990 which is modern times and have to do with current generations of active participants.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Guavanaut posted:

The Sasol slurry process is far improved on the FT synthesis used during WWII, and South Africa managed to export competitively on the world stage between '04 and the oil price crash in 2014. China are looking at even further process improvements.
Yeah, it's still less efficient than dealing with petrostates if you don't count all the second order effects of dealing with petrostates, but as part of a program of using nuclear and renewables for energy and lowered oil reliance it would be doable.

That $1.46 also doesn't include the levy for the Road Accident Fund, the state third-party insurer, which is a good and cool idea.
Modern FT chemistry requires prices on the order of $100/barrel or above to be profitable; now that the Yanks have got fracking pretty well worked out, it's unlikely we'll see those prices again for quite some time. Also, I can't quite see how a process for making synthetic oil could reduce oil reliance - I assume you mean reducing reliance on imported energy, which isn't quite the same thing. If we did want to do energy autarky in the UK, it'd make far more sense to restrict North Sea oil exports and save them for domestic consumption while pushing a big shift towards nukes, renewables, and electric vehicles.

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Apr 8, 2012

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forkboy84 posted:

Funny that Greece isn't on there. Or Italy. Both countries which are "first stops" for a lot of refugees coming to Europe. Nor Malta, Bulgaria, or Cyprus.

Sure looks like you are making massive assumptions to fit your particular anti-refugee narrative.

Anti-refugee? No I'm anti underclass, anti zero hours contracts. And as everyone knows the troublesome tykes aren't the immigrants themselves, but their kids.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/866919296919904256

That's some top shitebaggery from Telegraph columnist Allison Pearson. Actual calls for intern camps. It doesn't leap out you as immediately as hateful as Hopkins calls for genocide, but it's still pretty loving horrendous.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

buckets of buckets posted:

Anti-refugee? No I'm anti underclass
Got a problem with the untermenschen, eh?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

forkboy84 posted:

Funny that Greece isn't on there. Or Italy. Both countries which are "first stops" for a lot of refugees coming to Europe. Nor Malta, Bulgaria, or Cyprus.

Sure looks like you are making massive assumptions to fit your particular anti-refugee narrative.

Plus that Norway has taken in a poo poo-ton and hasn't had an attack from an immigrant.

hmmmmmmmmmmm

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

forkboy84 posted:

https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/866919296919904256

That's some top shitebaggery from Telegraph columnist Allison Pearson. Actual calls for intern camps. It doesn't leap out you as immediately as hateful as Hopkins calls for genocide, but it's still pretty loving horrendous.
We need to put a temporary hold on the twitter feeds of opportunistic xenophobes until we figure out what's going on.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

buckets of buckets posted:

Anti-refugee? No I'm anti underclass, anti zero hours contracts. And as everyone knows the troublesome tykes aren't the immigrants themselves, but their kids.

That's the sound of your goalposts moving. Suddenly it's not about immigration at all - it's about a neglected socioeconomic class.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

forkboy84 posted:

https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/866919296919904256

That's some top shitebaggery from Telegraph columnist Allison Pearson. Actual calls for intern camps. It doesn't leap out you as immediately as hateful as Hopkins calls for genocide, but it's still pretty loving horrendous.
I think it's as bad. Hopkins dances around the issue with euphemism and allusion - she knows people will make the leap to the famous nazi quote, but doesn't outright explicitly state that she wants to genocide brown people, so she can at least deny that that was what she meant and try to weasle out of it. This on the other hand is just straight up "we need to put brown people in concentration camps".

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

forkboy84 posted:

https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/866919296919904256

That's some top shitebaggery from Telegraph columnist Allison Pearson. Actual calls for intern camps. It doesn't leap out you as immediately as hateful as Hopkins calls for genocide, but it's still pretty loving horrendous.

What is it with people and thinking "ah yes, round them up in camps, that has no history of negative consequences!"

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Tesseraction posted:

Plus that Norway has taken in a poo poo-ton and hasn't had an attack from an immigrant.

hmmmmmmmmmmm

Norway hasn't taken in nearly as many refugees as say Sweden.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Fans posted:

Anyone acting like a oval office today is going on a long forum break so please keep your hot racist takes to yourselves for a bit.


croc suit posted:

God forbid white people notice who's killing them

That's a bingo!

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

buckets of buckets posted:

stick your fingers in your ears harder, fuckwit

GBS is that way dickhead

croc suit
Nov 13, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Tesseraction posted:

What is it with people and thinking "ah yes, round them up in camps, that has no history of negative consequences!"

The majority of posters in this thread directly advocate for a violent revolution to install an ideology that explicitly puts people who disagree in camps

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Oberleutnant posted:

I think it's as bad. Hopkins dances around the issue with euphemism and allusion - she knows people will make the leap to the famous nazi quote, but doesn't outright explicitly state that she wants to genocide brown people, so she can at least deny that that was what she meant and try to weasle out of it. This on the other hand is just straight up "we need to put brown people in concentration camps".

Hopkins is basically also an evil jester, nobody should even glance at anything she says or does.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

https://twitter.com/sirrogermoore/status/867005447018086400

We've lost a Bond :(

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Randarkman posted:

Norway hasn't taken in nearly as many refugees as say Sweden.

A lot more than the UK has, though. It's almost as if tolerance of immigration is not the relevant factor.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Tesseraction posted:

What is it with people and thinking "ah yes, round them up in camps, that has no history of negative consequences!"

From their perspective, I'm not sure it does. :godwinning:

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Pochoclo posted:

Canada and Australia have higher net immigration rates than the UK and they're not exactly drowning in terror attacks.

Who have immigrated to Canada/Australia is a completely different to who have immigrated to EU countries, you know this, right? (For more than a decade or two, too.)

They vet and score more or less all migrants and take in who they think might be useful, in short.

In EU this isn't the case, where asylum seekers are taken in if they can smuggle yourself to country X often, and later their relatives old or new arrive later.

The systems are not at all comparable in any manner.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

croc suit posted:

The majority of posters in this thread directly advocate for a violent revolution to install an ideology that explicitly puts people who disagree in camps

Ah yes, known genocidal dystopias Soviet Norway and Sweden.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


croc suit posted:

The majority of posters in this thread directly advocate for a violent revolution to install an ideology that explicitly puts people who disagree in camps

Don't lie. Those of us who advocate for revolution by any means necessary in a minority. And we're still better than you racist cunts by a million miles.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

croc suit posted:

The majority of posters in this thread directly advocate for a violent revolution to install an ideology that explicitly puts people who disagree in camps

Do you think ideologies come prepackaged and off shelf? It's very convienent that capitalism is this nebulous concept that doesn't necessarily mean anything so you can ignore the bad things. But communism/socialism? That's gulags all the way. Because Norway, closest to a socialist state that there is in Europe is just full of gulags.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Ligur posted:

Just to make sure I won't gently caress up and break rules, what have been hot racist takes up to now, of any?
Maybe play it safe and Don't Post

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Ligur posted:

Who have immigrated to Canada/Australia is a completely different to who have immigrated to EU countries, you know this, right? (For more than a decade or two, too.)

They vet and score more or less all migrants and take in who they think might be useful, in short.

In EU this isn't the case, where asylum seekers are taken in if they can smuggle yourself to country X often, and later their relatives old or new arrive later.

The systems are not at all comparable in any manner.

Why, it's almost as if immigration didn't cause terrorism!

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Ligur posted:

Who have immigrated to Canada/Australia is a completely different to who have immigrated to EU countries, you know this, right? (For more than a decade or two, too.)

They vet and score more or less all migrants and take in who they think might be useful, in short.

In EU this isn't the case, where asylum seekers are taken in if they can smuggle yourself to country X often, and later their relatives old or new arrive later.

The systems are not at all comparable in any manner.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/welcome/milestones.asp

Never mind that Trudeau campaigned on opening arms to Syrian refugees and continues to do so.

But yeah sure if we look to Australia and see them putting people in rape camps then it's a less rosy picture. Go the gently caress away and stop using dead children to spread your vicious disdain for Arabic people.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Pochoclo posted:

Why, it's almost as if immigration didn't cause terrorism!

This is correct, and what I've always tried to explain as long as I've posted here.

e: like no joke/insult, I really 100% agree

Ligur fucked around with this message at 14:33 on May 23, 2017

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

Regarde Aduck posted:

Do you think ideologies come prepackaged and off shelf? It's very convienent that capitalism is this nebulous concept that doesn't necessarily mean anything so you can ignore the bad things. But communism/socialism? That's gulags all the way. Because Norway, closest to a socialist state that there is in Europe is just full of gulags.

The list of countries used as an argumentative cudgel in Europe seems to be down to just one unrealistically propped up by a massive petro-dollar economy nobody else could hope to emulate while all the other previous examples continue to go to poo poo.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Regarde Aduck posted:

Do you think ideologies come prepackaged and off shelf? It's very convienent that capitalism is this nebulous concept that doesn't necessarily mean anything so you can ignore the bad things. But communism/socialism? That's gulags all the way. Because Norway, closest to a socialist state that there is in Europe is just full of gulags.

Norway is not even close to a socialist state you idiot.

Tesseraction posted:

A lot more than the UK has, though. It's almost as if tolerance of immigration is not the relevant factor.

Compared to its population a lot more yes (in actual numbers its very close). Though compared to most Western European countries we look to be around the average.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Tesseraction posted:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/welcome/milestones.asp

Never mind that Trudeau campaigned on opening arms to Syrian refugees and continues to do so.

But yeah sure if we look to Australia and see them putting people in rape camps then it's a less rosy picture. Go the gently caress away and stop using dead children to spread your vicious disdain for Arabic people.

What do you mean "never mind?"

But all in all yeah, migration to USA/CAN/AUS is not comprable to what has been going on in Europe for a generation or two. Even if for geological reasons. You can't disagree with that really, so why did you get so angry suddenly (again)?

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Cant find much on Salman Abedi but one thing is it seems that he was a British citizen. Not an immigrant.

Jack's Flow
Jun 6, 2003

Life, friends, is boring

Lid posted:

Cant find much on Salman Abedi but one thing is it seems that he was a British citizen. Not an immigrant.

And as always - that little tidbit will be ignored by the fear mongers.

IllusionistTrixie
Feb 6, 2003

buckets of buckets posted:

I'll take 'places that allow mass immigration' for 500

Go gently caress yourself.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Lid posted:

Cant find much on Salman Abedi but one thing is it seems that he was a British citizen. Not an immigrant.

Like that's a loving surprise.
You can be an immigrant and become a citizen though so its not really exclusive.

Like most of these guys I would put my money on him having either been born in the UK or lived there for a long while.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Ligur posted:

What do you mean "never mind?"

But all in all yeah, migration to USA/CAN/AUS is not comprable to what has been going on in Europe for a generation or two. Even if for geological reasons. You can't disagree with that really, so why did you get so angry suddenly (again)?

I don't know, why did you suddenly come into the UKMT as soon as a terrorist attack hit us?

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communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
The four bombers responsible for the 2007 london bombings were all British, brn and bred. The perpetrator of the Westminster attack this year was a Briton, born with the noticably foreign sounding name of Adrian Elms. Stop trying to make these incidents about scary foreign immigrants you loving racist turds. It's not about immigration, it's about you being scurred of brown people. You're pathetic.

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