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buckets of buckets posted:To be clear immigration in general is bad for housing, the environment, jobs. Allowing it is just giving The Man another weapon in his arsenal. Muslim immigrants just come with the added bonus of putting down poisonous roots Well, allow me to be racy and employ a gendered insult: oval office
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croc suit posted:I didnt realise the root cause was attendees of ariana grande concerts, my mistake comrade always glad to be reeducated in proper doctrine please gently caress off and stop posting
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chernobyl kinsman posted:also a compelling argument against gun control, as your odds of going down in a mass shooting are much lower than, say, dying in a car accident That's dumb.
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new phone who dis posted:It seems like even the most permissive and liberal of European societies still have to take it on the chin in regards to this issue. Once Sweden started getting hit, the argument that society could somehow accommodate all of them went out the window. Sorry fellas, your ideology is not equipped to handle this phenomenon. Manchester seen far worse attacks and survived without becoming a xenophobic piece of poo poo like yourself. Since we are debating the veracity of ideology and you reckon this is going to destroy multiculturalism, what say you we have a little wager? I'll toxx that Manchester will remain as red as ever in the next general election, will continue to accept and welcome immigrants with open arms, if you toxx that Manchester will somehow see the light and capitulate to fear, choosing 'strong and stable' May to protect us from the evil immigrants. Here is an aid to help you to decide. (GE 2015) 
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forkboy84 posted:This is the easiest trolled thread in the easiest trolled part of Something Awful. We make the horrible crime of being sincere in our care for our fellow human beings. Every religious adherent thinks they are always on the side of the good and true. Including people like you, who make their politics just as much an inflexible religion as other fundamentalists.
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Regarde Aduck posted:This thread is argueing for a very different thing to you. When this thread champions socialism it's championing a fairer society, strong worker rights, strong welfare systems and intelligent energy policies. An end to corporations controlling the government via corruption and increased living standards for all. But for you socialism is apparently all gulags and east Germany. Because you've 'no true scotsmanned' yourself into that corner. You're playing games with labels. As for myself, I will not disagree that those are good policies and that they are held by most socialist parties, at least in democratic countries. I disagree that any of those policies are exclusively socialist and make a country that has adopted them socialist. A democratic country can have a socialist party in government and can enact policies favored or championed by such a party, even identify the policies as socialist. "Socialist state" as was initially said implies something more than that though (to me atleast), it implies an ideological foundation that is simply not there in the case of the Scandinavian countries, which are still markedly capitalistic economies with free markets, Norway for instance is one of the most business-friendly in terms of the ease of setting up a business and such, in the world. It might seem like kind of a game with labels, but it will still annoy and embarrass me when it comes up. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 15:19 on May 23, 2017 |
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new phone who dis posted:Every religious adherent thinks they are always on the side of the good and true. Including people like you, who make their politics just as much an inflexible religion as other fundamentalists. Nah, we're just not seeing evidence that the system you're proposing works for most people. In fact, we can see that it fucks over the vast majority of people, so we're offering possible solutions. The end-goal of socialism is to HELP PEOPLE. All people (maybe except the ones doing the exploiting now, they're gonna be worst off, because gently caress them), which means that if the system doesn't work, we'll change it to something that does. Randarkman posted:"Socialist state" as was initially said implies something more than that though (to me atleast), it implies an ideological foundation that is simply not there in the case of the Scandinavian countries, which are still markedly capitalistic economies with free markets, Norway for instance is one of the most business-friendly in terms of the ease of setting up a business and such, in the world. Anarchism and certain strands of Communism/Socialism RELY on people starting their own business/hobby for the good of society, that's not a capitalist thing either.
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Ocrassus posted:Manchester seen far worse attacks and survived without becoming a xenophobic piece of poo poo like yourself. I'm sure being full of immigrants who benefit from the predatory form of globalism and multiculturalism currently being espoused has little to do with that. I won't be shocked when the communities that produce mass murderers vote to keep the governments who allowed that behavior to continue in place. Maybe you'd like to toxx on the general outcome of your nation's election instead of your chosen ethnic enclave? Do you think they will remain permissive as ever or choose strong and stable?
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Lightning Lord posted:Isn't that social democracy, which the far right is interested in dismantling? There's also some elements of market socialism in there possibly As far as I know, it is social democracy to an extent at least, some socioeconomical hyperstudent might disagree? But for me it is just about that. Which is the best policy I can think of. I don't know what the "far right" is anymore for posters in these sort of threads, but libertarians and the far right are not maybe the same thing always, at least. Ok perhaps nevah.
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Miftan posted:Nah, we're just not seeing evidence that the system you're proposing works for most people. In fact, we can see that it fucks over the vast majority of people, so we're offering possible solutions. The end-goal of socialism is to HELP PEOPLE. All people (maybe except the ones doing the exploiting now, they're gonna be worst off, because gently caress them), which means that if the system doesn't work, we'll change it to something that does. Other people, regardless of how successful or productive they are, do not owe you a living
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Miftan posted:Nah, we're just not seeing evidence that the system you're proposing works for most people. In fact, we can see that it fucks over the vast majority of people, so we're offering possible solutions. The end-goal of socialism is to HELP PEOPLE. All people (maybe except the ones doing the exploiting now, they're gonna be worst off, because gently caress them), which means that if the system doesn't work, we'll change it to something that does. The current form of multiculturalism being pitched to you as so wonderful is part of a predatory system meant to undermine organized labor at the cost of social order to increase profits. One of the benefits is that anyone who complains about it can be simply accused of being a bigot instead of engaged.
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Lt. Danger posted:Who the gently caress are all these randomers Just asking questions, innit
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Ligur posted:As far as I know, it is social democracy to an extent at least, some socioeconomical hyperstudent might disagree? But for me it is just about that. Which is the best policy I can think of. Far right is fascism. Libertarians, at least the American style, enable fascists through their ideology which calls for dismantling policies and programs that alleviate poverty.
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Lt. Danger posted:Who the gently caress are all these randomers It happens every time the UK gets in the news, all the idiots decide to pop in and tell us all about how important it is that we blame foreigners for everything.
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new phone who dis posted:I'm sure being full of immigrants who benefit from the predatory form of globalism and multiculturalism currently being espoused has little to do with that. I won't be shocked when the communities that produce mass murderers vote to keep the governments who allowed that behavior to continue in place. Maybe you'd like to toxx on the general outcome of your nation's election instead of your chosen ethnic enclave? Do you think they will remain permissive as ever or choose strong and stable? You mean the little Englanders in the home counties, who experience very little of the effects of immigration and don't have their homes subject to any violent extremism? Yeah, I don't give a poo poo about their opinions on immigration. Why is it immigration is less tenable for people who themselves are least directly affected by it.. hmm?
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new phone who dis posted:Every religious adherent thinks they are always on the side of the good and true. Including people like you, who make their politics just as much an inflexible religion as other fundamentalists. What are my politics, out of interest?
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new phone who dis posted:I'm sure being full of immigrants who benefit from the predatory form of globalism and multiculturalism currently being espoused has little to do with that. I won't be shocked when the communities that produce mass murderers vote to keep the governments who allowed that behavior to continue in place. Maybe you'd like to toxx on the general outcome of your nation's election instead of your chosen ethnic enclave? Do you think they will remain permissive as ever or choose strong and stable? Mmm, tell me more about these communities who are tactically voting to preserve their murder factories.
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kustomkarkommando posted:The ethnic enclave of manchester When we lost Birmingham it was bearable, but now Manchester also.
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Ocrassus posted:You mean the little Englanders in the home counties, who experience very little of the effects of immigration and don't have their homes subject to any violent extremism? Yeah, I don't give a poo poo about their opinions on immigration. Why is it immigration is less tenable for people who themselves are not directly affected by it.. hmm? This is where your snide elitism and failed policies get you. Walled up in a tiny sub-forum convincing each other of your righteousness while the ideology you follow gets bulldozed for being an abject failure.
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new phone who dis posted:The current form of multiculturalism being pitched to you as so wonderful is part of a predatory system meant to undermine organized labor at the cost of social order to increase profits. One of the benefits is that anyone who complains about it can be simply accused of being a bigot instead of engaged. I'm just wondering how basic multiculturalism undermines organized labor. It seems to be a separate issue from corporations preying on immigrants.
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new phone who dis posted:This is where your snide elitism and failed policies get you. Walled up in a tiny sub-forum convincing each other of your righteousness while the ideology you follow gets bulldozed for being an abject failure. America is an abject failure. And Donald Trump is a whiny pissbaby.
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SteelMentor posted:Man, if only we could figure out what makes these young, isolated, alienated, frustrated young men lash out like that. Couldn't be the volitile mix of depression and toxic masculinity. Had to google what "toxic masculinity" is and holy poo poo gently caress off
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croc suit posted:Other people, regardless of how successful or productive they are, do not owe you a living If I'm starving and they've got 5 yachts, then I would argue that they morally owe me a living, yes. Also, go gently caress yourself. new phone who dis posted:The current form of multiculturalism being pitched to you as so wonderful is part of a predatory system meant to undermine organized labor at the cost of social order to increase profits. One of the benefits is that anyone who complains about it can be simply accused of being a bigot instead of engaged. Aw man come on, just do 'The Jews' and I've got a bingo.
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Lt. Danger posted:Who the gently caress are all these randomers
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TACD posted:They're performance artists doing a piece entitled "How Violent Acts Embolden Racists: A Microcosm of Society" I'm not happy with the thread direction anymore. If I wanted to argue with dumbass, right wing racists I'd go visit my family.
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new phone who dis posted:This is where your snide elitism and failed policies get you. Walled up in a tiny sub-forum convincing each other of your righteousness while the ideology you follow gets bulldozed for being an abject failure.
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Puntification posted:The most important thing in the aftermath of a tragedy is to use it as an opportunity to be as big a piece of poo poo as you possibly can. Make sure you use the dead victims as a political prop, especially if it goes against the wishes of their families!
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Lightning Lord posted:Make sure you use the dead victims as a political prop, especially if it goes against the wishes of their families! but enough about the tories
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Fans posted:Anyone acting like a oval office today is going on a long forum break so please keep your hot racist takes to yourselves for a bit. 
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new phone who dis posted:This is where your snide elitism and failed policies get you. Walled up in a tiny sub-forum convincing each other of your righteousness while the ideology you follow gets bulldozed for being an abject failure. I am Mancunian you loving dunce. Everybody around me is expressing similar sentiment. This city has banded together, as it has done in the past. Taxi drivers and doctors, many of them immigrants themselves, rushed to help those in need. And come next month, we will vote in favour of progressive policies and continued openness to the world, just like we did with the EU referendum, just like we have done for a century. There is no elitism here, it's like you don't know poo poo about this place.
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Lightning Lord posted:I'm just wondering how basic multiculturalism undermines organized labor. It seems to be a separate issue from corporations preying on immigrants. Importing shitloads of cheap labor or sending your good jobs abroad via "free trade" deals is 100% about undermining the labor force's negotiating leverage. Just like "right to work" laws are bullshit that also empower your employer. You idiots are being sold crony capitalism with a just enough progressive flavor and shaming to keep you on board and supporting it.
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Lightning Lord posted:Far right is fascism. Libertarians, at least the American style, enable fascists through their ideology which calls for dismantling policies and programs that alleviate poverty. Ehhh, wtf. No anti-authroritarian like an actual libertarian supports fascism as a mode of governing people. If you honestly believe what you said, it also means liberal left wingers support Islamism, because they are adamant that Muslim migrants should have no requirements to moving to Europe -> not even Islamists because vetting is a crime/not possible -> all must be given a new home who seek it -> poo poo blows up soon (again) and they (the left) didn't care about it. Not a very palatable chain of thinking, right? But that is what you just did...
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TACD posted:They're performance artists doing a piece entitled "How Violent Acts Embolden Racists: A Microcosm of Society" I don't know much about art, but I know what I don't like.
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new phone who dis posted:Importing shitloads of cheap labor or sending your good jobs abroad via "free trade" deals is 100% about undermining the labor force's negotiating leverage. Just like "right to work" laws are bullshit that also empower your employer. You idiots are being sold crony capitalism with a just enough progressive flavor and shaming to keep you on board and supporting it. perhaps we need a national socialism
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Ocrassus posted:I am Mancunian you loving dunce. Everybody around me is expressing similar sentiment. This city has banded together, as it has done in the past. Taxi drivers and doctors, many of them immigrants themselves, rushed to help those in need. And come next month, we will vote in favour of progressive policies and continued openness to the world, just like we did with the EU referendum, just like we have done for a century. There is no elitism here, it's like you don't know poo poo about this place. Keep punching yourself in the face. Maybe next time things will turn out different.
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