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it feels weird having two resources, it seems like almost every class does. samurai should be fun though they don't have any dots and i love that
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unseenlibrarian posted:On an entirely non Cleric Stance related note I like that all the classes have different fancy names in the other supported languages but Bard is just "Bard, maybe with an E' in all of them. From awhile back, but I like Mage Blanche and Mage Noir. Really gives a whole new feel to the classes. The White Mage is just there, doing their thing while the Black Mage is narrating everything under their breath in order to cast their spells 
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Sword Oath is apparently at 35. I hope they did the same for Defiance/Deliverance, considering DRK gets both at 30. Cleric Stance being dead is good because it's one less obstacle to people who want to DPS as healers being able to DPS well as healers. The people who never DPS will continue to never DPS and no one should give two shits about them.
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Ferrinus posted:Dude imagine two black mages opening on a boss, but one stays in umbral ice just a little longer than the other so that they can toss the other a quick mana shift, and then by the time the second guy is at the end of his super-extended astral fire cycle the first guy has entered umbral and can toss his own mana shift back over. hachi mhachi
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Ferrinus posted:Dude imagine two black mages opening on a boss, but one stays in umbral ice just a little longer than the other so that they can toss the other a quick mana shift, and then by the time the second guy is at the end of his super-extended astral fire cycle the first guy has entered umbral and can toss his own mana shift back over. In all but the hardest content mana for SMN isn't really an issue so they can probably just feed the BLM mana to make stuff go faster. RDM too I imagine.
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Ferrinus posted:Dude imagine two black mages opening on a boss, but one stays in umbral ice just a little longer than the other so that they can toss the other a quick mana shift, and then by the time the second guy is at the end of his super-extended astral fire cycle the first guy has entered umbral and can toss his own mana shift back over. sorry what's "mana shift"
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Thumbtacks posted:sorry what's "mana shift" From the link of translated role skills: >> Mana Shift - Transfer up to 20% of your max MP to target party member // 150s cooldown
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Countblanc posted:In all but the hardest content mana for SMN isn't really an issue so they can probably just feed the BLM mana to make stuff go faster. RDM too I imagine. But then you have fewer black mages.
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Looking forward to seeing how long one black mage can sustain a flare chain with other casters feeding him mp. Also with that triple swiftcast.
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Countblanc posted:In all but the hardest content mana for SMN isn't really an issue so they can probably just feed the BLM mana to make stuff go faster. RDM too I imagine. That's not true, summoners love spamming Ruin 3. If anything you'd want the BLM to give the SMN MP.
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Oxyclean posted:From the link of translated role skills: oh lord
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May 23, 2017 19:53
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If you're with good BLMs or SMNs, it basically means you should never run out of MP as a WHM in future.
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Oh, son of a bitch. Flash isn't CCable anymore. It was actually really useful as a WAR, too.
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May 23, 2017 19:57
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I hope you get a lot of Cross Class slots, cause a good deal of the normal stuff a healer has is on those cross class things. The dispel, protect, mana restore, divine seal...
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May 23, 2017 19:59
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Grondoth posted:I hope you get a lot of Cross Class slots, cause a good deal of the normal stuff a healer has is on those cross class things. The dispel, protect, mana restore, divine seal... 5 skills. And yeah, healers have a choice ahead of them. I'm a pretty dirty healer, and I right now I don't think I'll take cleric stance with the rest of the choices there.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Oh, son of a bitch. Flash isn't CCable anymore. It was actually really useful as a WAR, too. I'm also rather concerned at being unable to Cross-Class Protect and Stoneskin as a PLD. Been getting good at saving healer's mana with it in raids lately.
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Grondoth posted:I hope you get a lot of Cross Class slots, cause a good deal of the normal stuff a healer has is on those cross class things. The dispel, protect, mana restore, divine seal... You'll take them depending on the instnace. Like in a raid both healers don't need protect, just one.
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You can probably get by without Protect at a push once you're familiar with content, but Divine Seal, Swiftcast, the new Shroud (for WHM) and Esuna are pretty much un-droppable. The grip skill is nice but it's probably not going to get a lot of play. That final slot being a tie for Protect, Cleric, E4E and the grip is a rough pick.
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Protect is loving balls anyways. It's % defense and magic defense. Probably less than a 10% mitigation overall. I can see dropping it now that I have other choices.
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Thumbtacks posted:oh lord New Rez macro: "rezzing <t>! If you don't return the mana you'll be 'rescued'"
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May 23, 2017 20:11
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If things still work like they do now, you could cast protect at the start of a dungeon and then swap it out.
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Holyshoot posted:You'll take them depending on the instnace. Like in a raid both healers don't need protect, just one. Hmm. Which means you might drop into DFed story content with both healers with identical CC loadouts, leaving gaps. Hopefully, one can swap that without putting everything on CD pre-pull, then, because the alternative would be "you aren't going to need to minmax that in DFed story 8-mans". And while I don't think that's a bad thing, I do think that an opportunity to reinforce to players that it is better to work together and cover eachother's gaps is being missed. But hey, we're talking about a playerbase where the CNJ questline's lessons were too subtle.
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May 23, 2017 20:13
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You wouldn't lose any interesting gameplay by just baking the effect of protect into all characters moving forward.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:You wouldn't lose any interesting gameplay by just baking the effect of protect into all characters moving forward. You'd miss out on that 2 minute delay before a boss when the tank stalls in order to get protection.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:You wouldn't lose any interesting gameplay by just baking the effect of protect into all characters moving forward. Yeah, to be honest, I don't think Protect adds anything. You cast it and then forget about it and the only time it's relevant again is if someone dies... at which point they're already getting a "weakness" debuff anyway.
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Ferrinus posted:Dude imagine two black mages opening on a boss, but one stays in umbral ice just a little longer than the other so that they can toss the other a quick mana shift, and then by the time the second guy is at the end of his super-extended astral fire cycle the first guy has entered umbral and can toss his own mana shift back over. Time works the same way.
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Wonder Turbine posted:Time works the same way. That's when you have four black mages, each of whom feeds mana to the next on schedule, and the only job the two healers have is using Rescue to pull them out of aoes.
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Ferrinus posted:That's when you have four black mages, each of whom feeds mana to the next on schedule, and the only job the two healers have is using Rescue to pull them out of aoes. Into AoEs
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Into AoEs 'THAT'S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU DON'T GIVE US MANA FOR HEALING YOUR SORRY BUTTS STANDING IN EVERY OTHER AOE JUST TO DO A SILLY MANA CHAIN ON EACH OTHER!'
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Insufficient commitment to sparkle motion detected.
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what is shirk because it sounds like it's a way for tanks to drop aggro, which would be hilarious
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I'm gonna go for the Dragoon hat trick by elusive jumping out of one AoE into a second while a healer rescues me into a third AoE and get hit by all three!
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, to be honest, I don't think Protect adds anything. You cast it and then forget about it and the only time it's relevant again is if someone dies... at which point they're already getting a "weakness" debuff anyway. I've never actually noticed when I forget Protect while healing. It's only when I can't figure out why my party is refusing to start running an instance or someone complains in chat. nuru posted:Already hearing from WHMs about how the cleric change will relegate them to the dumpster in favor of all SCH all the time. Yoshida is trying to pull an Uber and automate our jobs away. Come Stormsward release the servers will be packed with unemployed healers lazing about the Golden Saucer. Fortuitous Bumble fucked around with this message at 20:43 on May 23, 2017 |
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Feels like nin is going to be mch level of no one playing it.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Protect is loving balls anyways. It's % defense and magic defense. Probably less than a 10% mitigation overall. I can see dropping it now that I have other choices. Please do not drop Protect at anything above level 40. It is a gigantic amount of mitigation.
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FaintlyQuaint posted:Please do not drop Protect at anything above level 40. Foresight is 10% defence which effectively mitigates 6% damage on the tank. Defence does not scale linearly, so 15% extra defence will be less than 9% mitigation. I'll live. You'll live. The tanks will live. Actually, no, I'm wrong. Foresight is 20% defence for 6% mitigation. This makes protect even worse by comparison.
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:what is shirk because it sounds like it's a way for tanks to drop aggro, which would be hilarious
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'free' ten percent mitigation is very good, and right now what else do you really need? it's effectively a defensive cooldown with 100 pct uptime.
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:what is shirk because it sounds like it's a way for tanks to drop aggro, which would be hilarious Probably a reverse-provoke to
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