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qkkl
Jul 1, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
One way to prevent these kinds of suicide bombings is to first accelerate global warming to the point where year-round the temperature never falls below 72 degrees Fahrenheit, and then to ban all clothing. This way the only way a suicide bombing would work is if the bomber inserted the bomb into his rectum, but in that case the explosion would be dampened by the bombers body, and the bomb would have to be relatively small.

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Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo
I didn't read all fifty pages, but man I had no idea gbs liked Ariana grande so much.

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Agag posted:

They put on a good show imo.

there's always someone getting trolled, honestly

sometimes it's a dude like in the video, but mostly its the Israelites themselves because there's nothing that brings New Yorkers together quite like roasting idiots who make a display out of themselves

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

Burt Sexual posted:

I didn't read all fifty pages, but man I had no idea gbs liked Ariana grande so much.

GBS is the front line in the Clash of Civilizations.

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008

by Smythe

qkkl posted:

One way to prevent these kinds of suicide bombings is to first accelerate global warming to the point where year-round the temperature never falls below 72 degrees Fahrenheit, and then to ban all clothing. This way the only way a suicide bombing would work is if the bomber inserted the bomb into his rectum, but in that case the explosion would be dampened by the bombers body, and the bomb would have to be relatively small.

There would be other things that are suspiciously "grande" at such a concert.



*giggety*

Secular Humanist
Mar 1, 2016

by Smythe
Actual terrorist attacks are kind of just part of the problem though. I mean, people get exploded at ariana grande concerts for the same reason women in the middle east have to wear black trash bags everywhere. There are fundamental problems with mainstream islamic ideology that need to be intellectually terminated. Westerners can help by at least trying to support actual reforming muslims, who admittedly are not very visible due to the whole "constant threat of being decapitated" thing, instead of opportunistic theocrats like linda sarsour who exploit our good nature and dupe useful idiots into embracing the hijab out of "solidarity with women" (loving lol). Liberals have completely failed on this topic, which is now a feebly unhot take but is truer than ever.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Maya Fey posted:

or you actually do something to cut funding from gulf states instead of touching their orbs

The Gulf states aren't Israel, ok? They're self-funding - liquid money literally flys out of the ground there.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Burt Sexual posted:

I didn't read all fifty pages, but man I had no idea gbs liked Ariana grande so much.

I like that song she has abouy going side to side

What are some other good songs?

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

Secular Humanist posted:

There are fundamental problems with mainstream islamic ideology that need to be intellectually terminated.

Finally, a war than can be won by pedantic shitposting.

Nerses IV
May 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Agag posted:

Finally, a war than can be won by pedantic shitposting.

I thought you got shot by the cool canadian guy with the mace ?

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

The Gulf states aren't Israel, ok? They're self-funding - liquid money literally flys out of the ground there.

funding FROM gulf states, not to them

DrPlump
Oct 5, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Secular Humanist posted:

Well yeah actual incitement, maybe, could be reasonably construed as a "form" of violence. Some nutjob standing around saying how much they hate the jews or the blacks or the mexicans or whatever isn't violence, but it's being spun that way to justify really dumb acts of pre-emptive *actual* violence. It's like this big dumb explosion of irony and self delusion.

People know you can only justify violence in self defense, so if you really want to punch somebody just claim they are guilty of some nebulous form of "violence" that no two people can ever quite articulate in the same way, and you're good to go.

You can't regulate speech because if you outline specific words everyone will just use alternative words. Then your secret police are arresting people for posting pictures of a cartoon frog because that is now the code image for "kill all the jews".

DrPlump
Oct 5, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
4chan is trying to get as many things considered racist as possible because then people work to ban that thing.

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

Maya Fey posted:

funding FROM gulf states, not to them



Should be a breeze, as long as the Saudis don't openly buy off the President.

hohhat fucked around with this message at 21:52 on May 23, 2017

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

DrPlump posted:

4chan is trying to get as many things considered racist as possible because then people work to ban that thing.

Luxury Communism
Aug 22, 2015

by Lowtax

Secular Humanist posted:

Actual terrorist attacks are kind of just part of the problem though. I mean, people get exploded at ariana grande concerts for the same reason women in the middle east have to wear black trash bags everywhere. There are fundamental problems with mainstream islamic ideology that need to be intellectually terminated. Westerners can help by at least trying to support actual reforming muslims, who admittedly are not very visible due to the whole "constant threat of being decapitated" thing, instead of opportunistic theocrats like linda sarsour who exploit our good nature and dupe useful idiots into embracing the hijab out of "solidarity with women" (loving lol). Liberals have completely failed on this topic, which is now a feebly unhot take but is truer than ever.

Yeah but this line of thought rapidly becomes a "white man's burden" situation that neither I nor they want any part of. If they want to be insular sectarians, let them. Just let the police and immigration officials pursue the issue honestly and fairly, and stay the hell out of the middle east, imho.

But for god sakes don't say "victim-blaming and slut-shaming women into burqas is actually cool and good" because it pisses off bigots???

Nerses IV
May 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Wow a lot of Japanese porn is suddenly super transphobic

jazzyhattrick
Jul 1, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Secular Humanist posted:

Actual terrorist attacks are kind of just part of the problem though. I mean, people get exploded at ariana grande concerts for the same reason women in the middle east have to wear black trash bags everywhere. There are fundamental problems with mainstream islamic ideology that need to be intellectually terminated. Westerners can help by at least trying to support actual reforming muslims, who admittedly are not very visible due to the whole "constant threat of being decapitated" thing, instead of opportunistic theocrats like linda sarsour who exploit our good nature and dupe useful idiots into embracing the hijab out of "solidarity with women" (loving lol). Liberals have completely failed on this topic, which is now a feebly unhot take but is truer than ever.

"gently caress off you racist oval office." - Response to this quote that a regular poster in the forum for "debate and discussion" would give unironically.

DrPlump
Oct 5, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
So now you have to:
1. Ban the peace sign
2. Allow them to use it as a symbol of hate
3. Selectively enforce the law based on subjective circumstances

Keep in mind every time we choose option 3 the police use it exclusively against black people.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

jazzyhattrick posted:

"gently caress off you racist oval office." - Response to this quote that a regular poster in the forum for "debate and discussion" would give unironically.

Then the other guy gets banned

DrPlump
Oct 5, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Then the other guy gets banned

Also this is one of their 4 rules.

Effort Being Met with No Effort Is Bad: If someone puts a lot of effort into a post or rebuttal, don't disregard it without good reason. This is subject to a lot of interpretation.

DrPlump
Oct 5, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
A whole loving lot of interpretation apparently.

Luxury Communism
Aug 22, 2015

by Lowtax

DrPlump posted:

Also this is one of their 4 rules.

Effort Being Met with No Effort Is Bad: If someone puts a lot of effort into a post or rebuttal, don't disregard it without good reason. This is subject to a lot of interpretation.

:airquote: interpretation

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008

by Smythe

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Then the other guy gets banned

Approved by FAU

walgreenslatino
Jun 2, 2015

Lipstick Apathy

Secular Humanist posted:

Actual terrorist attacks are kind of just part of the problem though. I mean, people get exploded at ariana grande concerts for the same reason women in the middle east have to wear black trash bags everywhere. There are fundamental problems with mainstream islamic ideology that need to be intellectually terminated. Westerners can help by at least trying to support actual reforming muslims, who admittedly are not very visible due to the whole "constant threat of being decapitated" thing, instead of opportunistic theocrats like linda sarsour who exploit our good nature and dupe useful idiots into embracing the hijab out of "solidarity with women" (loving lol). Liberals have completely failed on this topic, which is now a feebly unhot take but is truer than ever.

I've completely given up on the prospect of things changing anytime soon. The sort of overclocked cultural relativism that's been adopted by the mainstream left absolutely will not allow any criticism of the alleged subaltern. The loving SPLC has repeatedly labeled reformist MUSLIMS as practitioners of anti-islam hate speech. Being forced to be a hijabi is feminist. Words mean nothing. You go "hey wait a second" and your hesitation alone is a sin

a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

qkkl posted:

One way to prevent these kinds of suicide bombings is to first accelerate global warming to the point where year-round the temperature never falls below 72 degrees Fahrenheit, and then to ban all clothing. This way the only way a suicide bombing would work is if the bomber inserted the bomb into his rectum, but in that case the explosion would be dampened by the bombers body, and the bomb would have to be relatively small.

In this universe Kirk Johnson becomes the world's most successful suicide bomber.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Secular Humanist posted:

Westerners can help by at least trying to support actual reforming muslims, who admittedly are not very visible due to the whole "constant threat of being decapitated" thing, instead of opportunistic theocrats like linda sarsour who exploit our good nature and dupe useful idiots into embracing the hijab out of "solidarity with women" (loving lol).
They're more visible than you think. There are lots of Muslim reformists around the world. But you can't support them while also closing your nation off to all refugees and immigrants from these countries, and you can't do it if your only support to these groups is violent war. You sure as poo poo can't do it while support people like Erdogan, el-Sisi, and the entire Saudi government. I disagree with you about the hijab - I don't think opposition to it comes from a genuine place of concern for Muslim women because the people proposing it largely aren't Muslim women, even in the US where they would have the protections to do so - but you can't act like American conservatism is somehow more supportive of Islamic reformers. Instead, it's increasingly moving in a direction where the rhetoric matches ISIS' "clash of civilizations" ideas. This isn't even Bush, who had plenty of issues with Middle East policy, who at least differentiated between radical and moderate Islam. Current conservatism is built on xenophobia, sometimes isolationism (seems to vary among conservatives, it's not universal), racial tensions, and anti-immigrant sentiment. You can't pretend those aren't there when they're part of mainstream American conservative rhetoric. I know you hear it. And American liberals don't blindly support Islam - we're perfectly aware of the many problems in Islamic countries - but many have adopted more pro-Islamic rhetoric as a response to anti-Islamic ideas on the right.

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

DrPlump posted:

Also this is one of their 4 rules.

Effort Being Met with No Effort Is Bad: If someone puts a lot of effort into a post or rebuttal, don't disregard it without good reason. This is subject to a lot of interpretation.

my takeaway from this is that there are no rules

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

walgreenslatino posted:

I've completely given up on the prospect of things changing anytime soon. The sort of overclocked cultural relativism that's been adopted by the mainstream left absolutely will not allow any criticism of the alleged subaltern. The loving SPLC has repeatedly labeled reformist MUSLIMS as practitioners of anti-islam hate speech. Being forced to be a hijabi is feminist. Words mean nothing. You go "hey wait a second" and your hesitation alone is a sin

Feels like they are just going to keep having Muslims, regardless of what posters think, or what the five tokens that Bill Maher and Sam Harris hang out with say on TV. Its almost like this is a total dead end and complete waste of time.

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

Blue Raider posted:

my takeaway from this is that there are no rules

Chaos Reigns

Luxury Communism
Aug 22, 2015

by Lowtax

FactsAreUseless posted:

This isn't even Bush, who had plenty of issues with Middle East policy, who at least differentiated between radical and moderate Islam. Current conservatism is built on xenophobia

Seeing it from the inside with my conservative family, it was really more like "fine, gently caress it, we agreed with you the whole time, can we talk about the radicals now?"

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Unfortunately, I think the attitude that any Muslim could be a terrorist at any moment is extremely pervasive on the right, and that makes it hard to get support for reformist Islamic groups in the U.S. - or even abroad, see the example of Iran moving toward further openness (too slowly, but it's there) with the west. You can't have it both ways. Either you push all the Muslims out of society and decide that no Muslim can live in a western society (and there's plenty of that in this thread), or you want to work to fix problems and help people victimized by their own religion.

The Landstander
Apr 20, 2004

I stand on land.

FactsAreUseless posted:

I don't think opposition to it comes from a genuine place of concern for Muslim women because the people proposing it largely aren't Muslim women

Agag posted:

the five tokens
Legitimacy on this issue is conferred through religious belief, got it.

Also, people within the group who feel otherwise can be safely dismissed, got it.

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008

by Smythe

FactsAreUseless posted:

I disagree with you about the hijab - I don't think opposition to it comes from a genuine place of concern for Muslim women because the people proposing it largely aren't Muslim women

It's almost as if there is a good reason a muslim woman would not be vocally opposed to something like that.
:thunk:

They may very well be very comfortable.

DrPlump
Oct 5, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

FactsAreUseless posted:

we're perfectly aware of the many problems in Islamic countries - but many have adopted more pro-Islamic rhetoric as a response to anti-Islamic ideas on the right.

This is why Trump won. You are purposefully being extra accepting to try to counteract the anti-islamic ideas. The average person just sees you being what is in their opinion too accepting.

various cheeses
Jan 24, 2013

The way to cure aids isn't to treat it aggressively with medication but to accept as much of the virus as possible directly into your butthole

Snatch Duster
Feb 20, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

FactsAreUseless posted:

Unfortunately, I think the attitude that any Muslim could be a terrorist at any moment is extremely pervasive on the right, and that makes it hard to get support for reformist Islamic groups in the U.S. - or even abroad, see the example of Iran moving toward further openness (too slowly, but it's there) with the west. You can't have it both ways. Either you push all the Muslims out of society and decide that no Muslim can live in a western society (and there's plenty of that in this thread), or you want to work to fix problems and help people victimized by their own religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg&t=47s

revmoo
May 25, 2006

#basta
Step 1 to solving Islamic extremist violence: acknowledge that there is a problem. <--- We haven't made it to this step yet

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Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


ben shapiro is 5' 4" argument destroyed

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