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The Landstander posted:Legitimacy on this issue is conferred through religious belief, got it. There is no "legitimacy." Its a popularity contest, and these people are the goofball local party that gets 47 votes on election day. Treat them accordingly.
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Maya Fey posted:ben shapiro is 5' 4" argument destroyed 
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Fog Tripper posted:It's almost as if there is a good reason a muslim woman would not be vocally opposed to something like that. DrPlump posted:This is why Trump won. You are purposefully being extra accepting to try to counteract the anti-islamic ideas. The average person just sees you being what is in their opinion too accepting. various cheeses posted:The way to cure aids isn't to treat it aggressively with medication but to accept as much of the virus as possible directly into your butthole
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Better one thousand normies get freaked out than one conservative doesn't get contradicted.
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May 23, 2017 22:17
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A group of people should pose as a group of radical islamics on the internet but like radical to their beliefs so they become a target but since the group doesn't actually exist they wouldn't know where to bomb. So like start a facebook group and write it all in french so it appears that they all live in france.
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revmoo posted:Step 1 to solving Islamic extremist violence: acknowledge that there is a problem. <--- We haven't made it to this step yet Everybody acknowledges that terrorism is a problem. What you are trying to say here is that people need to acknowledge that Islam itself is the problem. Which %50 already do. So what's the next step?
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Agag posted:There is no "legitimacy." Its a popularity contest, and these people are the goofball local party that gets 47 votes on election day. Treat them accordingly.
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May 23, 2017 22:18
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Secular Humanist posted:Actual terrorist attacks are kind of just part of the problem though. I mean, people get exploded at ariana grande concerts for the same reason women in the middle east have to wear black trash bags everywhere. There are fundamental problems with mainstream islamic ideology that need to be intellectually terminated. Westerners can help by at least trying to support actual reforming muslims, who admittedly are not very visible due to the whole "constant threat of being decapitated" thing, instead of opportunistic theocrats like linda sarsour who exploit our good nature and dupe useful idiots into embracing the hijab out of "solidarity with women" (loving lol). Liberals have completely failed on this topic, which is now a feebly unhot take but is truer than ever. islamism is responding to failure of secular systems to accommodate islamist political participation. keep in mind that secular arab regimes have dished out extreme amounts of violence against non-violent islamist movements like the muslim brotherhood -- to the point of massacring them in egypt after the military coup.
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Ben Shapiro is not an expert on Islam, he's a conservative political commentator trying to drum up support for banning Muslims.
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May 23, 2017 22:18
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FactsAreUseless posted:Ben Shapiro is not an expert on Islam, he's a conservative political commentator trying to drum up support for banning Muslims. he makes very good point re: black people needing to pull their pants up
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the left is detached from reality but the main reason i don't think (conservative sunni) islamic/islamist ideology should be terminated is because it's war i think you'll probably lose. better to encourage non-violent forms of islamism. but that's not that different or more conservative than mormons in utah, and mormonism is similar to islam in a lot of ways.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Ben Shapiro is not an expert on Islam, he's a conservative political commentator trying to drum up support for banning Muslims. Ad hominem valid form of argument in DnD now? Why don't you refute the facts he stated in his argument instead of jumping to a fallacious argument
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Nerses IV posted:For them, death was a blessing. Frank was thinking about his failing second marriage as he shuffled morosely into the latest teenybop horror festival, when suddenly, he heard the phrase: "allah akbar!" 
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the left is detached from reality but the main reason i don't think (conservative sunni) islamic/islamist ideology should be terminated is because it's war i think you'll probably lose. better to encourage non-violent forms of islamism. but that's not that different or more conservative than mormons in utah, and mormonism is similar to islam in a lot of ways. Actually, I think "Islam: At least we aren't the Mormons" could be a very effective branding strategy.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Unfortunately, I think the attitude that any Muslim could be a terrorist at any moment is extremely pervasive on the right, and that makes it hard to get support for reformist Islamic groups in the U.S. - or even abroad, see the example of Iran moving toward further openness (too slowly, but it's there) with the west. You can't have it both ways. Either you push all the Muslims out of society and decide that no Muslim can live in a western society (and there's plenty of that in this thread), or you want to work to fix problems and help people victimized by their own religion. For years liberals were pushing America towards becoming an atheist nation. Even today non-religion makes up the majority of the population. When the lefts support for Islam started getting mainstream they still kept the hatred for Christians around. It seems super hypocritical because the exact same view is good or bad depending on which group holds it. Meanwhile the United States was founded by Christians who practiced non-persecution. It is only because they allowed non-believers to live among them that atheism found a place to grow and prosper. You do not have to be islamic to dislike hijabs. Some people think any kind of ritual based on false beliefs is a waste of time especially when it can oppress women as a result. Women in islamic countries wear them because a crowd will stone them to death for not wearing it. They only leave the house with a male escort because they will be savagely raped if found alone. This terrorist attack has the express purpose of stopping women from gathering in public for unapproved activities like singing and dancing. Much like the sexual assaults in cologne they inspire fear in women. Then you see suggestions from the left that women bring a male escort with them when out in public...
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Maya Fey posted:he makes very good point re: black people needing to pull their pants up Make it so belts are cool like gold chains
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The Landstander posted:So you'd agree with the point that the left dismisses dissident/reformist Muslims? Yes. Nobody takes those "reformists" seriously, certain people just use them as a token or a cudgel.
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Sten Freak posted:Yeah metal detectors, bag searches, pat downs. It's no fun to go through but it's better than being blown up. That's why he blew up the line of people waiting to get in. Or out. Whatever.
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a bone to pick posted:In this universe Kirk Johnson becomes the world's most successful suicide bomber. Breaking News: Terrorist act affects millions across the USA! Sources are saying ISIS has struck again this time at the Super Bowl halftime. Thousands at the stadium along with millions at home were "Goatse'd" again after ISIS hacked in and gained control of the Jumbotron. The gaping posterior belongs to a genre named Kirk Johnson who authorities believe have no connection to the radical Islamic group.
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Blue Raider posted:my takeaway from this is that there are no rules The rules are that if you fall in line with the correct opinions then you are fine. Disagree with a mod and you're banned. You can break the rules if the target has been designated "fair game"
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DrPlump posted:For years liberals were pushing America towards becoming an atheist nation. Even today non-religion makes up the majority of the population. When the lefts support for Islam started getting mainstream they still kept the hatred for Christians around. It seems super hypocritical because the exact same view is good or bad depending on which group holds it. Meanwhile the United States was founded by Christians who practiced non-persecution. It is only because they allowed non-believers to live among them that atheism found a place to grow and prosper. Get the gently caress out you racist oval office. (that was a good well thought out post)
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FactsAreUseless posted:adopted more pro-Islamic rhetoric as a response to anti-Islamic ideas on the right. So libs really are "no! gently caress you dad!". lol
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Luxury Communism posted:Actually, I think "Islam: At least we aren't the Mormons" could be a very effective branding strategy. Mormonism really is like islam for white people It's pretty lovely, as with most white people knockoffs of other cultures
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One guy says "there is no such thing as god idiot" then he draws mocking images of every religion in order to illustrate his point. A Muslim comes along and kills him for the drawing. When did the left decide the person flipping out over an imaginary skygod had a legitimate grievance?
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Agag posted:Yes. Nobody takes those "reformists" seriously, certain people just use them as a token or a cudgel.
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spacetoaster posted:So libs really are "no! gently caress you dad!". You could probably get libs to promote flat earth conspiracies if trump got up on a podium and said the earth was not only round, but that it orbits around the sun.
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:The rules are that if you fall in line with the correct opinions then you are fine. Disagree with a mod and you're banned. You can break the rules if the target has been designated "fair game" You really want everyone to hate the jews with you, we get it. No one's arsed.
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Snatch Duster posted:Ad hominem valid form of argument in DnD now?  You need to find better sources of information before you believe things. People who verify facts. Real experts, scholars, journalists. People who research poo poo. Not conservative radio hosts parroting what they read in a blog. P.S. The argument doesn't hold water anyway. There are billions of Muslims on the planet. If a majority of them, even a more significant minority, were radicalized, that would be reflected. Look at what Japan did with just a radicalized government and some propaganda, for instance. Yet there are none of these "majority radical" Muslim nations fighting to the death for Islam. Imagine if there were actually a billion people in the world willing to violently kill themselves in suicide attacks for their religion. Think about what that world is like. You can look at the world. You can look at Muslim families, communities, cities, and see that this isn't happening. And that's just the most obvious counter-argument. It doesn't even get into how much Shapiro's stats aren't backed up. spacetoaster posted:So libs really are "no! gently caress you dad!".
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FactsAreUseless posted:Trump didn't win the popular vote #notmypresident Amen, brother.
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wow I think what this lady is saying would be pretty racist if she was white
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Sten Freak posted:Yeah metal detectors, bag searches, pat downs. It's no fun to go through but it's better than being blown up. Though those security checkpoints form a massive bottleneck that crams people together out in the open, which ironically makes them a great bomb target
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Mormonism really is like islam for white people Oddly, I know just as many non-white mormons as white ones. Including one I work closely with who is Korean-American. The mormon=white thing is pretty laughable.
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spacetoaster posted:#notmypresident
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The Landstander posted:Well, at least we're getting somewhere. Do you think their stated beliefs are sincere, or are they just putting on a show for white people? It is a complete minstrel show that only exist because why people offer meager funding towards it. Reformist Islam has no mainstream support from any Muslim nation. Meanwhile the Saudis are funding all sorts of cut off their clits extremist groups all over the world.
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who's that nerd who called Linda sarsour an extremist I gotta give him a wedgie
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DrPlump posted:One guy says "there is no such thing as god idiot" then he draws mocking images of every religion in order to illustrate his point. A Muslim comes along and kills him for the drawing. That guy seems like a lamer so I am glad that he lost his head
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Fog Tripper posted:Oddly, I know just as many non-white mormons as white ones. Including one I work closely with who is Korean-American. The mormon=white thing is pretty laughable. Mormons have worked very hard to recruit other races to shake this image. They'll straight up pay you to convert. This is in part because of their unfortunate history re: black people. Islam has lots of converts too but it is at its core an Arab religion and Arabic is at the heart of the religion
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DrPlump posted:One guy says "there is no such thing as god idiot" then he draws mocking images of every religion in order to illustrate his point. A Muslim comes along and kills him for the drawing. Could you imagine a muslim Monty Python? Would love to see "Life of Mohammed"
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FactsAreUseless posted:
Ben calculated 630,050,000 radical Muslims out of 1.6 billion. His calculations came from research by Pews, WHO, etc not some Breitbart bullshit. You want to have a semantical argument over what "radical Islam" is. If you do not condemn terrorist organizations, you support them. 630 million Muslims around the world support terrorist organization like Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Boko Harem. Do you condemn ALL of those organizations FacstAreUseless?
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