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kikkelivelho posted:Actually a federal Europe is probably the best way to keep Europe relevant on the global stage in the future. The fact that we still have a number of stubborn countries clinging to their national currencies is a massive problem for the "ever closer union" and it's incredibly shortsighted in the long run. The Euro has problems, but having every country in the union actually use it would immediately fix some of them. The Euro has many problems actually, one of the main ones being that States under it must have the same economy to function. You cannot differentiate monetary and political spending, as seen with Greece, who desperately wanted to devalue their currency, but couldn't, because whats good for Greece is not good for Germany. To really fix the Euro, Nations would need to be subservient the European parliament, which would set major tax rates and policies. Greece would have to be the same country as Germany, just like U.S.A. After Macron there is now talks of a mandated budget and tax rate, which will impose on sovereignty. No states are willing to give up sovereignty, of fear they stop being nations. This concept of a United States of Europe a concept has very very few supporters among citizens.The whole problem of the EU is the fact that it's on the one side a regulatory committee for shared goals like environment, trade and transport (which most citizens support and have no problem with) and the other is steadfastly trying to remove power from National States and place that in the EU (which few citizens wants, and thus oppose). Thus protesting the Euro and EU in general is not anti EU, but anti a U.S.E that seems to be forming.
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I think most countries can support more power be moved to the EU, as long as their national interest is forced upon the rest of the suckers in the club. Absolutely no country is willing to go federated if other countries priorities come first.
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kikkelivelho posted:Actually a federal Europe is probably the best way to keep Europe relevant on the global stage in the future. The fact that we still have a number of stubborn countries clinging to their national currencies is a massive problem for the "ever closer union" and it's incredibly shortsighted in the long run. The Euro has problems, but having every country in the union actually use it would immediately fix some of them. Look at this wily Finn, trying to drag other Nordic countries into the Euro to make them feel less bad about their poor life choice. Heh. (For real though, trying to harmonise monetary policy across economies as diverse as what you get in Europe is a terrible idea).
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May 23, 2017 13:50
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Germany does not want that either, because it would means many many billions of euros in transfers per year, like they'd have to shove like 3 billion euros at least to Finland every year to offset the problems of the euro, nevermind other places. The germans want the status quo and to retain it as long as possible no matter how it hurts other member countries, because their hurting helps their exports. This whole thing is sick and cancerous at it's core. gently caress it. gently caress globalization while I am at it too.
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Never trust a german. Merkel is just the new chancellor, instead of iron its money but same really
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His Divine Shadow posted:Germany does not want that either, because it would means many many billions of euros in transfers per year, like they'd have to shove like 3 billion euros at least to Finland every year to offset the problems of the euro, nevermind other places. The germans want the status quo and to retain it as long as possible no matter how it hurts other member countries, because their hurting helps their exports. I mean, on the one hand yeah. You can't have a unified currency without a unified economic policy and a central bank that actually works as a central bank. It won't work, as has been pointed out by fiscal issues in the Eurosone since... the Euro. On the other hand, on a grand scale it would be wonderful if there weren't countries, or if every country in the world was unified in squashing armed conflict everywhere and immediately, if necessary by force. If the earth could successfully become one nation, no borders, no wars and a unified policy of everything, I'm sure that would be just grand. But that's a fantasy. It won't work right now, and is unlikely to happen in the future until we reach Star Trek levels of omnipresent communism or some sort of actual (lol) technological singularity. It's like predicting the moon landing in 300 AD. We can't even imagine the prerequisites to such a thing nor the path leading to it.
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His Divine Shadow posted:This whole thing is sick and cancerous at it's core. gently caress it. gently caress globalization while I am at it too.
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May 23, 2017 14:32
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Mercrom posted:Also gently caress entropy. The second law of thermodynamics was such a bad idea. Yeah, repeal and replace.
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May 23, 2017 14:33
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Please don't switch to the Euro. I like my crowns, thanks.
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May 23, 2017 15:03
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We should create a Scandinavian currency union just to spite the EU. We can call it Scandinavian crowns or Scrowns for short
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Fader Movitz posted:We should create a Scandinavian currency union just to spite the EU. We can call it Scandinavian crowns or Scrowns for short But then we would have to bail out whichever country becomes Greece of Scandinavia.
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May 23, 2017 15:26
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White Rock posted:But then we would have to bail out whichever country becomes Greece of Scandinavia. Which we have already done with Iceland pretty much. Anyway just make it so the first country to need a bail out becomes the lesser part of Kalmarunionen 2.0
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To add some real content to the Euro debate, here's the latest opinion poll about adopting the Euro by SCB 
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Fader Movitz posted:We should create a Scandinavian currency union just to spite the EU. We can call it Scandinavian crowns or Scrowns for short
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Mercrom posted:Also gently caress entropy. The second law of thermodynamics was such a bad idea. You're one of those types who think globalization is inevitable then?
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His Divine Shadow posted:You're one of those types who think globalization is inevitable then? No I think we can uninvent boats.
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Globalization isn't inevitable and doesn't required the un-invention of boats. http://www.abounderrattelser.fi/news/2015/04/nu-finns-fem-myter-om-finlands-ekonomi-pa-natet.html
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His Divine Shadow posted:Globalization isn't inevitable and doesn't required the un-invention of boats. You linked 78 pages on why neoliberalism bad I'm not gonna read it all partly because I know already.
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May 23, 2017 17:05
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It's all the effort I am gonna bother with.
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Well I care slightly more than the guy who just wants to yell at clouds so I found the thing you were talking about in literally the last chapter and it's just the same old gently caress you got mine protectionism mixed with the kind of economic anecdotes all economists love to use.
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Wild Horses posted:Never trust a german. Merkel is just the new chancellor, instead of iron its money but same really Collateral Damage posted:Just call it Riksdaler again. It works in both Swedish, Danish and Norwegian.
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Yeah, this will probably sit well with the few remaining MP voters. https://www.svd.se/fridolin-oppnar-for-ny-mp-regering-efter-valet--med-c-och-l/om/det-nya-politiska-laget
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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Retarded Goatee posted:Yeah, this will probably sit well with the few remaining MP voters. Pretty risky to bet on C keeping their gains in the polls too.
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Grevling posted:Didn't know you had new banknotes so I went to riksbank.se to have a look. I was most impressed by this page though: Jag är huller_buller_high.jpg
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White Rock posted:But then we would have to bail out whichever country becomes Greece of Scandinavia. If a Scandinavian country other than Iceland becomes a northern Greece we have a bigger problem than common currency, as that means we would have lost the basis of all our economies, reliable state apparatuses and general tax compliance. I mean yes, it could happen, but it would both take time and a dedicated effort to take us there from where we are right now, unless some ridiculous epic catastrophe falls upon our lands.
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Retarded Goatee posted:Yeah, this will probably sit well with the few remaining MP voters. changing voters and dumping the leftism seems like a good idea. hope they can make it
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Wild Horses posted:changing voters and dumping the leftism seems like a good idea. hope they can make it They will likely parasitize their potential coalition partners then, which seem counterproductive if they aim to form a powerful coalition.
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Zudgemud posted:If a Scandinavian country other than Iceland becomes a northern Greece we have a bigger problem than common currency, as that means we would have lost the basis of all our economies, reliable state apparatuses and general tax compliance. I mean yes, it could happen, but it would both take time and a dedicated effort to take us there from where we are right now, unless some ridiculous epic catastrophe falls upon our lands.
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White Rock posted:But then I mean, let's be real.
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Retarded Goatee posted:Yeah, this will probably sit well with the few remaining MP voters. Indeed. Especially as MP have taken a turn to the left under Fridolin, which have lost them their middle voters. The only winner of a coalition like that would be S. For L and C it would be like drinking from a poisoned chalice.
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(Hej jag är en normal människa med normala åsikter.) / 
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Jag tycker det är ganska gulligt att han åsiktsreglerar sig själv genom att vrida och vända runt i sitt resonemang om hur detta egentligen handlar om fri debatt och individuella val istället för att bara rakt ut säga att han helt enkelt inte tror på miljöhotet. Annars skulle ju kanske den välkänt vänstervridna institutionen Timbro straffa honom för hans avvikande åsikter. 
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News at 10: School is used as a tool for indoctrination. Gee, I am surprised. Apparently works rather bad in Sweden, considering that SD is overrepresented among young people. Also more extreme political movements (right-wing, left-wing, islamists) are generally present at higher percentages among younger people. It is almost like young people are inexperienced and have little to no experience with life outside of school. What horror..... As for the teachers, if one would look at Riksdagen in Sweden and the members, there are 2 parties which have teachers as their most common profession before ending up in Riksdagen. The 2 parties are L and V. Hands up anyone who is surprised by that? This have been the case for at least 30-40 years, so it have apparently worked out just fine.
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It's clearly just about the climate denial.
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MiddleOne posted:It's clearly just about the climate denial. It's about ethics in our schools.
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His Divine Shadow posted:For best results you start out with a pine tree and remove the bark from parts of the tree, not enough to kill it, but to "injure" it, this increases sap formation in the wood, which is what you want. Do this for 2-5 years. Tree stumps and roots are also great sources if you don't want to spend that much time. I know nobody actually cares about making pine tar. But I do and that's good enough for me. So here's an article in a local paper detailing traditional manufacturing of pine tar. I am gonna be there this July and watch this. https://issuu.com/visitnarpes/docs/visitn__rpes_2017_sv_webb
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I care. Checkmate.
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Inger Støjberg knowingly issued an illegal instruction against the recommandations of her officials. The issue was separating couples in asylum centers based on age disparity. Previously, each case had been evaluated individually as the law required, and anyone underage was of course separated outright. Støjberg forced the separation of anyone under 18 without review. She was told by her subordinates that this was illegal, in breach of international conventions and existing Danish law, but proceeded regardless. The Ombudsman has strongly criticised the move and experts in administrative law are calling it a very serious, impeachable offense, comparing it to the Tamil-case of yore. This would rest on her immunity being revoked by parliament, so of course it's not going to happen, because the Danish People's Party is fine with literally anything, as long as it somehow hurts refugees (such as a lot of couples aged 17 to 19). The Liberal spokesman on immigration, Marcus Knuth, has said that the opposition must just like child brides and that it's okay for a Minister to "follow her own moral compass", even if it goes against the law, roundly ignoring the fact that these couples were already being separated as required based on individual evaluation, that the issue is her knowingly instructing subordinates to break the law.
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http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/dnipsos-raset-fortsatter-for-m/quote:Moderaternas väljarstöd fortsätter att krympa. Partiet får 15 procent i DN/Ipsos majmätning. Det betyder att partiet är rejält frånåkt av Sverigedemokraterna och nästan jämsides med Centern. Election year is looking to be amazing.
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SplitSoul posted:Inger Støjberg knowingly issued an illegal instruction against the recommandations of her officials. The issue was separating couples in asylum centers based on age disparity. Previously, each case had been evaluated individually as the law required, and anyone underage was of course separated outright. Støjberg forced the separation of anyone under 18 without review. She was told by her subordinates that this was illegal, in breach of international conventions and existing Danish law, but proceeded regardless. The Ombudsman has strongly criticised the move and experts in administrative law are calling it a very serious, impeachable offense, comparing it to the Tamil-case of yore. This would rest on her immunity being revoked by parliament, so of course it's not going to happen, because the Danish People's Party is fine with literally anything, as long as it somehow hurts refugees (such as a lot of couples aged 17 to 19). The Liberal spokesman on immigration, Marcus Knuth, has said that the opposition must just like child brides and that it's okay for a Minister to "follow her own moral compass", even if it goes against the law, roundly ignoring the fact that these couples were already being separated as required based on individual evaluation, that the issue is her knowingly instructing subordinates to break the law. V's attempt to spin any opposition to this as "OH YOU MUST BE PRO CHILD BRIDES HUUUUH?" is so transparent and should be ripped to shreds.
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