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Yadoppsi posted:Details on this? Basically if you do the numbers on transitioning the trust fund to public stock holdings as well as diverting future taxes into the same accounts you quickly end up with dollar amounts larger than the entire market capitalization of the major exchanges. If values held SS accounts would own everything. What would actually occur is that the values would rise dramatically as a result of tons more money chasing fewer investments. If you happen to already own stocks this is fantastic news which is why rich people are so obsessed with the idea.
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Shookies posted:If the Pope smote Donald Trump and said he did it because God told him to, how would that play with the American Christian base? Most of the Christians who love Trump aren't Catholic and hate the Pope in general, but a lot of them including the Catholics also hate this one for being a drat liberal or something. But like some "anti-papists" might declare holy war or something.
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Shookies posted:If the Pope smote Donald Trump and said he did it because God told him to, how would that play with the American Christian base? Catholics aren't Christians. The papists have voted majority Democrat for awhile. I don't think Trump's supporters would fall for it.
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May 24, 2017 01:40
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Furnaceface posted:Canada gets dibs on New York, Washington and Vermont. Nah, we will take Washington, Oregon, and maybe California. West coast = best coast.
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May 24, 2017 01:40
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Krispy Kareem posted:Catholics aren't Christians. They wouldn't keel over braindead or anything, but it'd certainly shake them hard. And the inevitable response ("gently caress the pope!") would potentially cause the Republican party to implode.
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May 24, 2017 01:41
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citybeatnik posted:It's make me start going back to Mass, for one thing. Hell, I might make it a habit of doing the rosary daily. I think you'll find that Vatican 2 broke the succession and/or there's a weird series of Man In The Iron Mask correct antipopes kept in the basement of Pope Castle.
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May 24, 2017 01:41
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STAC Goat posted:Most of the Christians who love Trump aren't Catholic and hate the Pope in general, but a lot of them including the Catholics also hate this one for being a drat liberal or something. But like some "anti-papists" might declare holy war or something. The fun arguments that I've heard is that normally the cardinals are not meant to vote for the pope, they're meant to listen to God whispering to them who the proper choice was. Since Francis is obviously a political choice he's not the true pope. *EDIT* GreyjoyBastard posted:I think you'll find that Vatican 2 broke the succession and/or there's a weird series of Man In The Iron Mask correct antipopes kept in the basement of Pope Castle. It ALWAYS comes back to loving Vatican II...
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May 24, 2017 01:42
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Krispy Kareem posted:Catholics aren't Christians. We're generally better educated and better off, and also confined to the cities. Therefore we vote dem, bitch about taxes, and drink heavily.
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May 24, 2017 01:43
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May 24, 2017 01:43
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May 24, 2017 01:45
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citybeatnik posted:The fun arguments that I've heard is that normally the cardinals are not meant to vote for the pope, they're meant to listen to God whispering to them who the proper choice was. Since Francis is obviously a political choice he's not the true pope. Yeah, as a lax Catholic I have a hard and fast rule to other Catholics that you either admit all the bad Popes were chosen by God or all the good Popes were chosen by men. No cherry picking based on who you like or the conversation ends. Liberal Catholics laugh at that and we have a fun talk, conservative Catholics like to cherry pick.
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May 24, 2017 01:45
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, as a lax Catholic I have a hard and fast rule to other Catholics that you either admit all the bad Popes were chosen by God or all the good Popes were chosen by men. No cherry picking based on who you like or the conversation ends. Liberal Catholics laugh at that and we have a fun talk, conservative Catholics like to cherry pick. It's a good rule to follow, really. As a lapsed cradle Catholic I mostly just keep my head down around that side of the family on matters of faith. And they're -still- less batshit than the baptist side.
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May 24, 2017 01:48
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Guys, after reading that transcript, I'm really worried about the result of a strike on North Korea Please tell me we'll all be safe
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May 24, 2017 01:53
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Depends. Are you in South Korea?
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Edit: GODDAMMITWillo567 posted:Guys, after reading that transcript, I'm really worried about the result of a strike on North Korea Depends, are you South Korean or maybe Japanese? (In which case the answer is still "probably")
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May 24, 2017 01:56
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That's... not how Confidential data gets marked wtf
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May 24, 2017 01:56
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Tayter Swift posted:That's... not how Confidential data gets marked wtf It's sourced from the Philippines, not the US.
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May 24, 2017 01:57
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Edit: GODDAMMIT No, but I am worried that China or Russia will condemn the strike, possibly leading to a war with either one of the two
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May 24, 2017 01:58
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Willo567 posted:Guys, after reading that transcript, I'm really worried about the result of a strike on North Korea Death comes for us all.
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May 24, 2017 02:01
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What possible strategic benefit is there to Trump preemptively striking North Korea? Assuming that he is in the pocket of Russia, and sees himself as being BFF with China after the chocolate cake accords, wouldn't a strike work counter to those interests? Russia and China would almost certainly condemn it. I mean, is this a case of Putin trying to mousetrap Trump, or what?
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May 24, 2017 02:02
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, as a lax Catholic I have a hard and fast rule to other Catholics that you either admit all the bad Popes were chosen by God or all the good Popes were chosen by men. No cherry picking based on who you like or the conversation ends. Liberal Catholics laugh at that and we have a fun talk, conservative Catholics like to cherry pick. Catholic theology doesn't really have popes really fully picked in a supernatural way. It's definitely a secular voting process. The holy spirit is supposed to be present in the process and through "discernment" you are supposed to search your heart and vote the way the spirit tells you. But you can vote for anyone and there is no element that if people vote different they are seen as heretics or something. Like god is helping in the process and the picked pope is sort of seen as called by god for the role but it's not divinely appointed or anything exactly.
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LegendaryFrog posted:It's sourced from the Philippines, not the US. Ah, thanks. Yikes.
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Fart City posted:What possible strategic benefit is there to Trump preemptively striking North Korea? Assuming that he is in the pocket of Russia, and sees himself as being BFF with China after the chocolate cake accords, wouldn't a strike work counter to those interests? Russia and China would almost certainly condemn it. I mean, is this a case of Putin trying to mousetrap Trump, or what? Trump is crazy. That's all there is to it
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May 24, 2017 02:06
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Fart City posted:What possible strategic benefit is there to Trump preemptively striking North Korea? Assuming that he is in the pocket of Russia, and sees himself as being BFF with China after the chocolate cake accords, wouldn't a strike work counter to those interests? Russia and China would almost certainly condemn it. I mean, is this a case of Putin trying to mousetrap Trump, or what? Insanity doesnt require motivation or reasoning.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Catholic theology doesn't really have popes really fully picked in a supernatural way. It's definitely a secular voting process. Yeah, I know, and its the usual "well, when the bad Pope was elected the men obviously ignored God's guidance" but the point is that its practically impossible for us to have any kind of debate if we can't establish some kind of standard on that. Either its a bunch of people choosing and they pray and hope they get some guidance but its still just them... which most Catholics agree with... or God whispers a name into their ears and chooses the Pope... which some hardcore conservative Catholics push on. I think for the most part Catholics are fun to have theological debates on because a lot of us are open to some critical thinking and less inclined to go with the magic answers. At most it becomes "pray on it until you find the answer" and not "God will give you a vision" kind of stuff you see with some other Christians. But there's some of that in Catholicism and I've had people tell me some crazy rear end poo poo like they literally saw the Holy Spirit walk around a room and bless each person. But those folks tend to remind me of Evangelicals more than Catholics anyway and they usually attend some kind of pre-Vatican II church or something.
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Medieval Medic posted:Death comes for us all. I know you're just joking, but I'm being serious
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The current Pope has said verbatim "god doesn't just wave a magic wand." within our lifetime American catholicism will basically be what like Zoroastrianism is in India: a drinking club for WASPs. Francis would probably come out in favor of abortion, gay marriage, and contraceptives if he thought he could get out of italy with his life.
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quote:Say hello to people of the Philippines for me. Ey yo, say 'ello to ya mother for me
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Red Oktober posted:I'm loving the new picture on his twitter. HOLY poo poo THEY EDITED THE SHOT TO CUT OUT THE YARMULKE?!?!?!?!
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May 24, 2017 02:16
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Willo567 posted:I know you're just joking, but I'm being serious The serious answer is this should have been dealt with in the mid-90's and now everyone is pretty well hosed. There's a narrow and precarious path to a peaceful resolution, but odds are not in Seoul's favor.
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Chilichimp posted:HOLY poo poo THEY REDID IT TO REMOVE THE YARMULKE?!?!?!?! Admit it, youre not actually surprised by this at all.
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, I know, and its the usual "well, when the bad Pope was elected the men obviously ignored God's guidance" but the point is that its practically impossible for us to have any kind of debate if we can't establish some kind of standard on that. Either its a bunch of people choosing and they pray and hope they get some guidance but its still just them... which most Catholics agree with... or God whispers a name into their ears and chooses the Pope... which some hardcore conservative Catholics push on. I mean this doesn't seem particular contradictory. God is rooting for some pick and might tell you if you listen but you might not listen and you are free to ignore it. Like 99% of the bad things that happen in star wars is the force telling the jedi something and them letting their own feelings get in the way and getting it all hosed up. It's exactly that.
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Furnaceface posted:Admit it, youre not actually surprised by this at all. Surprised it's so blatant, yes.
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May 24, 2017 02:21
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I mean this doesn't seem particular contradictory. God is rooting for some pick and might tell you if you listen but you might not listen and you are free to ignore it. this is a perfectly fine analogy but I just can't help loling at the inherent gooniness of comparing religion to star wars
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Ah, man, they gassed the old thread? Bullshit, that poo poo needs to be enshrined.
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Chilichimp posted:Ah, man, they gassed the old thread? Bullshit, that poo poo needs to be enshrined. In a way it will be because gas chamber threads don't require archives to read
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I mean this doesn't seem particular contradictory. God is rooting for some pick and might tell you if you listen but you might not listen and you are free to ignore it. The problem comes when its then used to say "you can't question the choice of the Pope, he's divinely influenced." Well, what about all those bad popes? "They were chosen by bad men who made a mistake and ignored God's guidance." Well then how do you know these guys didn't screw up too? "Because God guides them." For us to have any kind of debate on the Pope's divine providence or edicts we have to basically agree on a set of goal posts and can't just let it be open based on whether you agree or disagree with any given Pope or stance. I think Francis is a good guy and Benedict is an rear end in a top hat. I know Catholics who feel the opposite way. They'll argue that God guided the Cardinals to pick Benedict but not Francis. I'll say "the Cardinals choose both for a variety of reasons, but I'm sure at least some of them hoped they were doing God's will." The second one can get us somewhere, the first one can't. So I'm willing to say "fine, God influences all Papal choices" or "God influences none" but we can't pick and choose or we'll get nowhere. And in general I have never and probably never will base any debate or anything on Star Wars. Sorry.
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So is Trump praising the Filipino President more or less hosed up than when Reagan gave the Contras a tongue bath?
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Chilichimp posted:HOLY poo poo THEY EDITED THE SHOT TO CUT OUT THE YARMULKE?!?!?!?! (((Trump!)))
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