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gently caress I just realized I called them the oilsands gently caress me, and gently caress you oil industry marketing
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Realistically, what are our alternatives to resource extraction? Like I currently live in northern Ontario and government services and resource extraction are the lifeblood of the economy, and it's not as simple a matter as telling people to move to where the jobs are because 1) there aren't enough jobs anywhere else without resource extraction, and 2) a huge segment of the population are native people living on their ancestral lands, both on and off reserve. Everyone's praying for more of the same jobs that destroy the environment up here because there are no foreseeable alternatives.
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May 24, 2017 03:14
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EvilJoven posted:Helped bust a bike thief / fence yesterday. How to be safer while cycling, step 1; buy a car, step 2; adhere share the road sticker.
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May 24, 2017 03:14
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Jordan7hm posted:Yeah cuz that's what tourists are clamoring for. Glaciers They do if you bottle it.
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EvilJoven posted:Helped bust a bike thief / fence yesterday. Get rich as gently caress and buy your own laws.
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May 24, 2017 03:16
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You know what. I'm almost at the point where I'd be willing to forgive fellow cyclist and Conservative douchebag Pallister for trying to privatizing everything if he makes stealing a bike or hitting one with a car a capital offence.
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May 24, 2017 03:18
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the trump tutelage posted:Realistically, what are our alternatives to resource extraction? Communism.
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May 24, 2017 03:18
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the trump tutelage posted:Realistically, what are our alternatives to resource extraction? Get aboard the Real Estate Ponzi scheme. I buy a house for $100, and sell it to you for $150. Next year you sell it to someone else for $200 and this continues ad nauseum until the world runs out of money. Your welcome.
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May 24, 2017 03:18
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the trump tutelage posted:Realistically, what are our alternatives to resource extraction? to channel CI: pump money into university research programs - you can't just emerge industry through tax cuts to the corporations. Educate the public (preferably for free). Make this a place where people actually want to start a business - because this is where they already are developing industry worthy ideas
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May 24, 2017 03:21
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berenzen posted:I'd like to see the burgeoning high-tech economy in Alberta actually be self-sustainable before oil sands are totally shut down. You probably should not root for the return of the oil boom then, as it will go right back to hoovering talent out of the tech sector.
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May 24, 2017 03:26
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JawKnee posted:gently caress I just realized I called them the oilsands I mean if you want to be actually technically correct it's bituminous sands. But calling them tar sands is actually less correct than oilsands, because it's not tar.
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May 24, 2017 03:27
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JawKnee posted:to channel CI: pump money into university research programs - you can't just emerge industry through tax cuts to the corporations. Educate the public (preferably for free). Make this a place where people actually want to start a business - because this is where they already are developing industry worthy ideas Yes. There's very little direct funding for research and innovation, and we've moved away from basic research into stuff that can be commercialized. Of course, poo poo isn't really commercialized in Canada (outside of Quebec which is the only province which has a positive IP flow for some reason...) for a variety of reasons depending on field, including money, lovely bureaucracy, etc. There's a lot of things we could do improve innovation and research especially in Alberta-- Quebec and Ontario are doing pretty well on that score, as is BC. None of the other provinces really register. There's been some positive moves lately, but nothing on the scale that we need. But it's not an area that shows immediate results so no one wants to put money into it. There's also a gap in resources where we have a lot for start ups, and a decent amount for bringing products to market, but there's nothing for that try-and-fail phase, which is actually a really necessary part of the process.
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May 24, 2017 03:28
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berenzen posted:I mean if you want to be actually technically correct it's bituminous sands. But calling them tar sands is actually less correct than oilsands, because it's not tar.  PT6A it's you from like 4 years ago!
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May 24, 2017 03:29
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Alberta has the potential to be one of the countries leaders in medical research but they continue to drive that away because "Oil sands cause cancer" is apparently too bitter a pill to swallow.
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May 24, 2017 03:31
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I just being a pedantic jackass because you were being a sanctimonious one.
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May 24, 2017 03:41
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not liking a long accepted and used term being marketed out of use is sanctimonious? Or do you think they're all just terribly interested in scientific correctness?
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May 24, 2017 03:45
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berenzen posted:I just being a pedantic jackass because you were being a sanctimonious one. Start looking for some kind of rip in the space-time continuum, leading to 2012. BERENZEN. IN 2016 AMERICA ELECTS DONALD TRUMP PRESIDENT.
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May 24, 2017 03:48
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EvilJoven posted:Now I'm looking for advice on how to best lobby for better law enforcement and infrastructure to protect riders and bikes from idiots with cars and assholes with bolt cutters. Do I write my MP? MPP? The premiers office? Buy a bullhorn and yell nonsense while standing in front of the Legislature? Do you have an organization like HUB out your way? They do exactly that. Collect money from memberships/donations, use it to lobby govt. They do good poo poo.
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May 24, 2017 03:50
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JawKnee posted:not liking a long accepted and used term being marketed out of use is sanctimonious? Or do you think they're all just terribly interested in scientific correctness? I'm saying that if you think that oilsands is a terrible term for it, tar sands is equally as terrible, as it was coined that by environmental groups to provide a negative connotation. Call it whatever the gently caress you want, just don't be mad that one term has entered the general populace's lexicon over another. berenzen fucked around with this message at 04:22 on May 24, 2017 |
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Furnaceface posted:Alberta has the potential to be one of the countries leaders in medical research but they continue to drive that away because "Oil sands cause cancer" is apparently too bitter a pill to swallow. Man. I was getting pretty spicy about all the alberta hate because I mean it's home. But you're not wrong. The tarsands are awful, fracking is awful, and we're sure reaping our "Nothing can POSSIBLY go wrong" boom mentality now. On the upside there are no Vancouverites here anymore.
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May 24, 2017 04:22
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cowofwar posted:The Alberta oil problem will solve itself over the next decade once they realize no one wants to buy it. Yeah pretty much everyone is bailing on the oilsands right now. quote:
Even though the oilsands is bad and I'd prefer that the oil stay in the ground, should the NDP/Greens form a coalition government I don't think that Transmountain should get all that much attention from them. It shouldn't be a hill they die on. I mean I think they should try to squeeze as many concessions as is worth their time to try to get, but ultimately it's a matter that the feds can ram through, and IMO there are more important issues they should spend their time on.
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Skippy Granola posted:Man. Im probably one of the few people that want to see Alberta succeed, just not as a resource based hellhole. I get angry every time someone says that the province just has no other options when they have had plenty in the past and continue to have other outs currently. The problem lies in that those outs take time and effort, which is apparently too much to ask. Alberta is also just an easy target for something that is pretty systemic in Canada. This country has such a huge loving problem with throwing their hands up in the air and giving up at the first bit of resistance or change. Its maddening.
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berenzen posted:I'm saying that if you think that oilsands is a terrible term for it, tar sands is equally as terrible goop sands
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tagesschau posted:goop sands No I would rather not have Canada's major export be Gwyneth Paltrow's lovely lifestyle magazine
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Furnaceface posted:Im probably one of the few people that want to see Alberta succeed, just not as a resource based hellhole. I get angry every time someone says that the province just has no other options when they have had plenty in the past and continue to have other outs currently. The problem lies in that those outs take time and effort, which is apparently too much to ask. I hear you. I'm an accountant by trade, and I've been looking for work for about four months now - I would have been delighted to work for a cool tech start-up, but I ended up getting an interview for a company that makes guidance systems for underground drilling. C'est la vie. From what I can see though it's tough all over. And honestly, throwing up a pipeline to BC isn't going to fix any of it - times have changed and we're either going to change with it or become New Brunswick.
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James Baud posted:On a walk around my neighborhood this afternoon, I snapped a quick picture of what is clearly an Albertan who has done just that - or at least, he might be working while camped out in front of his presumed parents' place for the last couple months. BC tags, so he's probaby hear for the duration.
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May 24, 2017 04:50
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berenzen posted:I'm saying that if you think that oilsands is a terrible term for it, tar sands is equally as terrible, as it was coined that by environmental groups to provide a negative connotation. who's mad dude? I'm not correcting you.
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Subjunctive posted:There's some good AI research happening in Alberta, but not much else afaict, and the research isn't spinning off companies to any large degree. AI is one of the worst things to build any sort of sustainable industry around these days, because if you are good at it it basically guarantees that all your good faculty, grad students, and postdocs will get made offers they can't refuse by big AI research labs. UBC found this out the hard way.
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May 24, 2017 05:19
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JawKnee posted:who's mad dude? I'm not correcting you. Apologies. Your comment came off as incredibly hostile.
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blah_blah posted:AI is one of the worst things to build any sort of sustainable industry around these days, because if you are good at it it basically guarantees that all your good faculty, grad students, and postdocs will get made offers they can't refuse by big AI research labs. UBC found this out the hard way. And then to add insult to injury, your thesis project eventually takes your job and enslaves you in a work camp.
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May 24, 2017 05:35
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No 👏 Rights 👏 For 👏 Robots 👏
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I've got no problem with Alberta. It's the people in it who seem to think that letting a handful of gangsters loot and plunder the earth like a loving 90's cartoon villain will make their lives any less miserable and worthless. And it's not like we don't have those in every corner of BC too.
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ZShakespeare posted:I've got no problem with Alberta. It's the people in it who seem to think that letting a handful of gangsters loot and plunder the earth like a loving 90's cartoon villain will make their lives any less miserable and worthless. And it's not like we don't have those in every corner of BC too. The biggest difference is that Albertans think they're god's gift to Canada by doing that
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May 24, 2017 06:38
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Skippy Granola posted:It's been a humbling couple of years for us Its not the first time the bust part of the oil cycle has hit Alberta square in the kiwis. Thats the part that should make you angry. They didnt set up anything to protect the province for the next time it came rolling around.
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Skippy Granola posted:It's been a humbling couple of years for us Yup, as said, it's only humbling because you kept electing governments that did NOTHING to properly manage or run your booms in order to handle the busts. This is 100% self-inflicted and I have no sympathy for the hordes of angry unemployed rig pigs raging about how the RoC is loving them.
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berenzen posted:I'm saying that if you think that oilsands is a terrible term for it, tar sands is equally as terrible, as it was coined that by environmental groups to provide a negative connotation. The term "tar sands" was being used in the late 19th century and was the official term used by the Canadian government going back to 1910 when the first laws regulating it were passed.
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In solidarity with the Canadian Government I unironically think you should have to spell it "marihuana" if you want to discuss the devil's lettuce in this thread.
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Resource economies seem to work better when they don't rapidly inflate in a regulatory vacuum. Norway is a place where regulatory reform got ahead. Alberta is a place where regulatory reform fell behind. Without an external control, people will always choose to gently caress up their external environment for the most insignificant amount of profit. So as any WOKE Canadian is aware, the enemy is the status quo.
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