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Ice Phisherman posted:Down here it's called "Getting your Jesus". You sin your rear end off and repent on Sundays. It's an intellectual bypass that allows everything to be all right because you can treat people like garbage but if you intend to ask for forgiveness later you have cover. Also I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way, because you have to be truly sorry, and if you were truly sorry you wouldn't repeat the same bad behavior over and over again only to later ask for forgiveness. You can do this if you're struggling to course correct, but if you just ask God for forgiveness ever time you treat someone like garbage I don't think it's supposed to work. Yeah that isn't what Jesus taught at all, especially when you see how unbelievably judgmental these people tend to be toward others. Really the whole point was "you will screw up but as long as you're trying to be a continually better person and sincerely apologize when you screw up God is OK with you." Like yes, God will forgive almost any sin but you have to be making an effort to be a good person. Deliberately being horrible 6 days a week is...not how that works. Egbert Souse posted:If you're against homosexuality, all you have to do is just not gently caress people of your own sex. Simple is that. What two consenting adults do is their business and their business alone. Yeah that's my thought really and I think some of the worst offenders are either miserable in their marriages or actually gay. Or both. It turns out that "get married really young, never leave any marriage, ever" doesn't work all that well. When the gay marriage hooplah really started my thought was best summed up as "who gives a poo poo? Let them get married. Why are we even having this conversation?" There are children literally starving to death in America, income inequality is high and rising, people are dying of easily preventable disease because they can't afford to see a doctor, we have home-grown terrorists literally murdering people routinely, and our politicians are nakedly corrupt but that's not important! What's important is that two men might be kissing each other somewhere and enjoying it a lot. 
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Ice Phisherman posted:I was forced to and I hated having my time stolen from me. I also volunteered in other small ways but none of those were apparently good enough. I understood why but apparently volunteer work only counted with my teacher if you could punch a clock rather than being kind in general. Look, I don't know what to tell you. I can't defend whatever program you experienced and its fundamentally different from the thing I'm describing where they were dealing with young and impressionable kids and clearly trying to teach them a lesson about compassion and charity. But a lot of your argument kind of sounds like you're coming at it from how it affected you. You couldn't use it to help your major or it was a depressing experience. When like the entire point I'm arguing is to try and show kids that a sacrifice of your own time or pleasure for the betterment of people suffering can be a good and rewarding thing in and of itself. For whatever reason you clearly didn't get that experience from it, which is a shame. But maybe you helped some people out, which would be a good thing. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 04:14 on May 24, 2017 |
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FizFashizzle posted:The GOP has been running in some form or fashion against Hillary Clinton for the past 25 years. You might say Hillary's political career died for our sins?
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wow. Based on those two state-level special elections, my opinion on Rob Quist for Thursday went from about 25% to coin flip. He might actually win Montana's seat.
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If you want to know how a not insignificant number of Christians view sin and penance, just read a Jack Chick tract. So many of the tracts are about good people doing good deeds who go to hell on some Bible phrasing technicality while the literal child molester gets into Heaven because he accepted Christ and said he was sorry. Being good to people is hard. What interpretation can I use to justify my horrible behavior, look down on people better than me, and still get into Heaven?
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May 24, 2017 04:16
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The number one video on youtube is Melania swatting trumps hand 7.6 million views
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Rigel posted:wow. Based on those two state-level special elections, my opinion on Rob Quist for Thursday went from about 25% to coin flip. He might actually win Montana's seat. I'm feeling pretty optimistic about Montana and Georgia. If the dems win both seats, it might finally make the republicans start actually turning on trump to try to save themselves. There are few safe seats anywhere in that case, even if the elections were held before whatever retarded bullshit trump will fill the time between now and 2018 with.
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STAC Goat posted:I think the most common question I get from non-religious people when they find out I'm Catholic is "so you get to just confess your sins and you're ok?" To which the answer is always "no, its more complicated than that. You can be forgiven but you have to be truly sorry and you'll be given penance. And like if its small stuff you might just have to pray but if you were mean to your mom the priest might tell you to go apologize and if you don't you're not forgiven. And if you like kill someone your penance is definitely going to include confessing to the crime and doing what you can to make up for the life you took. So its not some clean slate just because you whispered in a closet." Thank you for the nuanced response! I find it funny, because selling indulgences were one of the biggest criticisms of the Catholic church. However many protestant churches have seemed to have skipped that process entirely and just ask for the money outright. You can ask for forgiveness, the church enables that, you give money to the church, repeat. Thoughtfulness and course corrections and guilt don't really have to enter the process, though they can. I have met poo poo heels in my life who think they're holy because they got to church and are awful people but think they're saved because they got baptized that one time. STAC Goat posted:Look, I don't know what to tell you. I can't defend whatever program you experienced and its fundamentally different from the thing I'm describing where they were dealing with young and impressionable kids and clearly trying to teach them a lesson about compassion and charity. But a lot of your argument kind of sounds like you're coming at it from how it affected you. You couldn't use it to help your major or it was a depressing experience. When like the entire point I'm arguing is to try and show kids that a sacrifice of your own time or pleasure for the betterment of people suffering can be a good and rewarding thing in and of itself. For whatever reason you clearly didn't get that experience from it, which is a shame. But maybe you helped some people out, which would be a good thing. Not trying to ruffle your feathers. Sorry buddy. 
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DC Murderverse posted:Y'know, I was just thinking that it probably wouldn't be too long before someone revealed that the ads were a bunch of bullshit, I'm glad that everything is working as fast as the Trump Impeachment Train these days. I work in healthcare and I might be making that up but every single complaint generally boils down to 1. someone not paying attention when picking their plan and picking a doctor out of network or 2. someone not updating their financial information and losing their subsidy in january (full disclosure i did this and it took 2 months to fix)
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:The number one video on youtube is Melania swatting trumps hand I hope he doesn't beat/berate her over this
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Feral Integral posted:I hope he doesn't beat/berate her over this "I find Trump beating his wife to be deeply disturbing." --John McCain.
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empty whippet box posted:I'm feeling pretty optimistic about Montana and Georgia. If the dems win both seats, it might finally make the republicans start actually turning on trump to try to save themselves. There are few safe seats anywhere in that case, even if the elections were held before whatever retarded bullshit trump will fill the time between now and 2018 with. I'm right outside that district and while I've seen lots of feel-good "this is what I'm going to do in Congress" commercials for Ossoff, I've only seen negative attack ads from Handel. I don't even recall seeing Karen Handel speak in her ads, although I'm sure she has. She's just got all the personality of a wet sock and honestly isn't well thought of even in Republican circles. That said she'll take 40% of the vote without even trying, so it's still a tough win for the Democrats. Last I heard Ossoff was leading by 2. The debate in a week or two is going to be fun. Feral Integral posted:I hope he doesn't beat/berate her over this Would the Secret Service harm the President to protect the First Lady, since technically they're responsible for the safety of both? It's as if Schrodinger's cat was orange and the box was made of cardboard with TRuMp scrawled in crayon above the door flap. Krispy Wafer fucked around with this message at 04:28 on May 24, 2017 |
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I will never get tired of the subtle shade Obama's WH photographer keeps throwing at Trump. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/867213078462689280
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Yeah that isn't what Jesus taught at all, especially when you see how unbelievably judgmental these people tend to be toward others. Really the whole point was "you will screw up but as long as you're trying to be a continually better person and sincerely apologize when you screw up God is OK with you." Like yes, God will forgive almost any sin but you have to be making an effort to be a good person. Deliberately being horrible 6 days a week is...not how that works. I think it's a logical extension of faith without works. Show up, get saved, donate money, go home, be a piece of poo poo for six days. Repeat. If there's no imperative on works then people will take it to the conclusion of, "And I can be an rear end in a top hat too". I live in the South and Christianity is widely accepted here, but I also think it's shallowly accepted by and large too. Too many cultural Christians watering down the message who only go because someone else expects them to or because it's where all your friends go. That sort of thing. Christianity casts too wide a net and most people I meet never made a choice to become Christians. They were indoctrinated as children and were expected to stay that way rather than making a conscious effort to reason out whether they wanted to be one or not. Most didn't have that choice.
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Krispy Kareem posted:I'm right outside that district and while I've seen lots of feel-good "this is what I'm going to do in Congress" commercials for Ossoff, I've only seen negative attack ads from Handel. I don't even recall seeing Karen Handel speak in her ads, although I'm sure she has. She's just got all the personality of a wet sock and honestly isn't well thought of even in Republican circles. Apparently it's 7 points now. Still going in for early voting to make sure everything goes smoothly.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Having spent more and more time around Christians (Atheist in sheep's clothing at a church) I see the depths of peoples' faith and how it influences their lives and perceptions in ways I can't really begin to comprehend. The concept of all trusting faith is alien to me and though I can talk to these people and get along they will always have a mindset which is alien to me. It really ends up being more about homosexuality being evil because they're breaking from societal norms and not in a relationship with a primary purpose of procreation. I think a lot of it is about this hive mentality. What I find horrifying is that someone has to live a lie to make other people happy rather than make themselves happy. If anything, our purpose in life should be to share happiness.
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Ramos posted:"I find Trump beating his wife to be deeply disturbing." --John McCain. Then proceeds to cut funding for abused women's shelters.
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empty whippet box posted:I'm feeling pretty optimistic about Montana and Georgia. If the dems win both seats, it might finally make the republicans start actually turning on trump to try to save themselves. There are few safe seats anywhere in that case, even if the elections were held before whatever retarded bullshit trump will fill the time between now and 2018 with. Don't be optimistic. It's way too early for that. I'm kindof expecting some last minute vote fuckery in both races.
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What if the reason Melania plagiarized Michelle Obama was to intentionally hurt her husband, back in the halcyon days when we were all so naive as to think stuff like that still might ~*matter*~?
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Egbert Souse posted:Melania is the leak source Ivanka is the one giving it to Melania and is part of a decades long scheme to get payback for divorcing Ivana.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Thank you for the nuanced response! Ice Phisherman posted:Not trying to ruffle your feathers. Sorry buddy.
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Well in my fanfiction, Melania is secretly training Barron in New York to, shall we say, forcibly inherit the throne.
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Egbert Souse posted:It really ends up being more about homosexuality being evil because they're breaking from societal norms and not in a relationship with a primary purpose of procreation. I think a lot of it is about this hive mentality. I don't think it's just that, though sex as not the sole means of procreation is a factor. Not that they have sex without procreation, but are incapable of having it in a gay relationship. Most Christians I know wouldn't bat an eye at the thought of having sex for fun so long as you're married for instance. As for living a lie, it's not uncommon to live for others. Some people live almost solely for others which I feel can be taken to extremes and become self-destructive. When someone tells me that homosexuality is a choice I ask them the vanilla ice cream question. Simply, "Do you like vanilla ice cream? Okay, when did you make a choice to like it? You just discovered that you liked, disliked. were ambivalent about it or somewhere between". After asking this question to them about several topics I'll ask about sexuality. "When did you make the conscious choice to be attracted to your preferred sex?" Odds are they didn't. They only discovered that. Being gay or straight isn't a light switch one can turn on or off. It's just one of many preferences which we have little to no control over. There are of course defenses against this, but attacking choice and free will as a concept is pretty powerful. Especially since I try my best not to phrase it like a gotcha question.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Melania leaves Trump because she says she knows he's a traitor and she loves America too much to stay with him We must strive for this good timeline.
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Goddamn https://twitter.com/IrisRimon/status/867086214490402817 
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Starmaker posted:Well in my fanfiction, Melania is secretly training Barron in New York to, shall we say, forcibly inherit the throne. The body politic has a way of shutting that whole thing down. STAC Goat posted:I mean, there's probably a lot of implied payment in those churches. Like you need to give your tithe or at the donation basket or whatever business help the church asks of you if you want to stay in good standing with the church. So they might not ask directly for pay for your indulgences like the Catholic Church did but its known on some level that if you hope to get forgiveness in your time of need you better be there for the church in their time of need. Wink, wink. They're just less blatant about it. Whether active or passive I think the outcome is the same, though the emphasis isn't. Attend our church. Be saved. Sins be gone. Give us money. Indulgences aren't explicit anymore, but the idea behind them or at least the general thrust is still implicit. We need money to pay our preacher and stay open, therefor money is good and therefor you are good if you give money for us to stay open. Be good and give us money. quote:No apology necessary. My experience and your experience were different. I got something out of it that you didn't. That's a shame because I think what I got out of it was good and it sounds like what you got out of it was bad. I think there's merit in the concept but obviously it can be done wrong and there's no guarantee of it working. But I didn't want to like inadvertently insult you or make it seem like I was calling your selfish or anything. A lot of what I'm suggesting is that to instill a sense of charity in kids is in part to convince them that there's a selfish benefit of satisfaction and personal fulfillment from doing charity at a young age before all those selfish goals or needs like time, schedule, resume, etc kick in. On some level I think most people who do charity work are on some level getting a selfish sense of worth from it. But that can be good or bad, just as our experience can be good or bad. Not offended or trying to be offensive. Just trying to keep conversations interesting and friendly is all. 
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Starmaker posted:Well in my fanfiction, Melania is secretly training Barron in New York to, shall we say, forcibly inherit the throne. That plan didnt work out well for any of the Lannisters.
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Starmaker posted:Well in my fanfiction, Melania is secretly training Barron in New York to, shall we say, forcibly inherit the throne. Pfft, like Donald would ever go hunt a wild pig with a spear.
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As a recently going back to church Catholic, this discussion fascinates me. One thing I've noticed is that the interpretation still varies a lot between parishes. Bigger ones tend to stay apolitical (except hot button poo poo like abortion) but smaller ones will tend to address issues at hand. There's a church in Seattle that regularly discusses Black Lives Matter that I go to. I never would have seen that in the church I grew up in the suburbs.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Pfft, like Donald would ever go hunt a wild pig with a spear. There's a Chris Christie joke in there, Im just not witty enough to make it.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Don't be optimistic. It's way too early for that. gently caress that, I'm on the optimistic mattering train.
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Blitz7x posted:I remember the same stupid rumors about W Bush coming out about alzheimers "A republican with secret Alzheimer's" is not a far fetched thing that has never happened. There is a reason it's on people's list of "things republicans cover up"
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Furnaceface posted:That plan didnt work out well for any of the Lannisters. While I don't deny that Barron would be a worse president than Donald, this pathway does eventually lead to Melania blowing up all of his most fanatically religious supporters, and I think we can all agree that that's at least an interesting outcome.
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KittenofDoom posted:I will never get tired of the subtle shade Obama's WH photographer keeps throwing at Trump. Reminder Fox News had some bs about if it's improper for the Obama POTUS and FLOTUS to fistbump and what this "rapper gesture" means for-oijfwkyghweri4jtfghwer49uhgftwer4ufhgweurffuckfoxfuckfoxfuckfoxfuckfoxfuckfoxfuckfoxfuckfox
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