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esperterra posted:Sharex is great for screenshots, gifs, webms, video etc. Might be just what you need. Blockhouse posted:wacky yet unflappable and possibly psychic fbi agent investigates a murder in a weird pacific northwestern town with lots of soap opera problems that have a connection to a pocket dimension populated by evil spirits (?) that feed on suffering
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Magic Hate Ball posted:He's essentially being watched over by guardian angels. I think Jade does act exactly like a real person. She just had the bad fortune to walk into the Twin Peaks story and she rationalizes away every insane thing as best she can. But the act does a good job of acting like a normal human being and giving natural line readings.
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Why does everyone think Janey-E Jones is Dougie's wife? I got way more of a "sister caring for disabled brother" vibe from those scenes. He has his own room with a twin bed and she lays his clothing out for him as if this is all routine.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:At first glance, Sharex doesn't seem to have the same important GIF editing tools that Gooncam had, but at least it records the correct area that I define when recording GIFs. Thanks! Of course not because there's a shitload of characters and moving parts and visual language you have to watch to grasp but in very strict terms that's the plot of the show. It's not complicated on its face.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Why does everyone think Janey-E Jones is Dougie's wife? I got way more of a "sister caring for disabled brother" vibe from those scenes. He has his own room with a twin bed and she lays his clothing out for him as if this is all routine. I would totally slap my disabled brother in the face if he were missing for 3 days & missed his nephew's birthday. Just kidding. I wouldn't because it makes no sense. His lady friend seemed to know him pretty well too, enough to suspect he had a stroke or an episode when Cooper "arrived." resting mitch face fucked around with this message at 01:57 on May 24, 2017 |
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The musical performances at the end of each episode has been one of my favorite things. Based on the casting I'm waiting for Trent Reznor and Mariqueen to do some How to Destroy Angels over the credits.
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Fartington Butts posted:The musical performances at the end of each episode has been one of my favorite things. Based on the casting I'm waiting for Trent Reznor and Mariqueen to do some How to Destroy Angels over the credits. I feel stupid that I didn't put together "musical cameo" as a possibility for Trent until just now. Figured he'd be like a guy at the coffee shop or something.
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It'd be cool to have beach house in an ep, as far as indie bands inspired by the show go I'd rank them ahead of chromatics edit: ray wise would vouch for them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS6duOoxctw No Mods No Masters fucked around with this message at 02:13 on May 24, 2017 |
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Fartington Butts posted:The musical performances at the end of each episode has been one of my favorite things. Based on the casting I'm waiting for Trent Reznor and Mariqueen to do some How to Destroy Angels over the credits.
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Lord Krangdar posted:Well they notice he's acting like he had a stroke or accident. His wife seems to not really realize anything is wrong. Could be just a weird choice, or maybe she's part of the decoy plan set up by evil Cooper too. It is also possible that Dougie is dumb as poo poo on his best days, and while his behavior seems a little off to people who know him, it is not so bad that they are actually concerned that anything is wrong. He is a copy of a copy, and not as well put together as the original.
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In my head I've assumed that somehow Dougie-Coop is putting out some sort of aura that makes people want to help him/not think he needs to be put in a special hospital immediately. It may be a stretch, but given the fact that he has "quest indicators" on certain slot machines maybe it's not crazy to think there's some weird garbage surrounding him.
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I absolutely love the idea that the Log Lady managed to get herself banned from the Sheriff's department by leaving gum around. I also love that James got brain damage from his motorbike. However, I have a bad feeling that it may also be used as a reason for why we won't see Donna.
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Underwhelmed posted:It is also possible that Dougie is dumb as poo poo on his best days, and while his behavior seems a little off to people who know him, it is not so bad that they are actually concerned that anything is wrong. He is a copy of a copy, and not as well put together as the original. I also think he's made out of the other parts of the dog they found in BadCoop's trunk. Dog's are pretty dumb. But I've never seen one gently caress a hooker sooooo.... I don't know. Feels like a pretty half baked theory I came up with. Still putting that and the Bob got taken over by Windom Earl out there just in case though.
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The FBI is having a pretty big problem with blue rose agents completely losing their minds: Windom Earle, Philip Jeffries, and now Cooper. If only Windom Earle was nearly as well realized as evil Cooper.
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May 24, 2017 03:21
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I rewatched episode four it's real good and feels like Twin Peaks.
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Fartington Butts posted:In my head I've assumed that somehow Dougie-Coop is putting out some sort of aura that makes people want to help him/not think he needs to be put in a special hospital immediately. It may be a stretch, but given the fact that he has "quest indicators" on certain slot machines maybe it's not crazy to think there's some weird garbage surrounding him. So far everyone that's interacted with Dougie since Coop took him over has been using him for money, or in an instrumental relationship with him. Jade was helpful, but also wanted to get rid of him. Casino staff don't care because they want to milk money out of you, and are probably used to seeing people with poor grasps of English / mental problems. His wife... well, Dougie just came up with enough money to save their lives from whatever threat they were under, so I don't think she cares much either. His acquaintance seemed to mostly care about Dougie as a job contact. Dougie hasn't really met anyone that has a reason to care about him yet, except maybe his son, who seems to like the change.
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Clouseau posted:The FBI is having a pretty big problem with blue rose agents completely losing their minds: Windom Earle, Philip Jeffries, and now Cooper. I kept waiting for one of them to acknowledge that they've spent their whole careers with these Blue Rose cases coming up and they have nothing to show for it.
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I hope people don't think that Cooper is somehow "inhabiting" Dougie. Dougie is gone gone. That's Cooper. He's just all messed up still from being in the lodge so long. Think how spaced out and weird Briggs was when he came out. He was just in there three days. EDIT: ^^^^ That read as totally sincere to me and I also loved it. Laura's Theme re-emerging there was a total gut-punch. NObodyNOWHERE fucked around with this message at 04:13 on May 24, 2017 |
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NObodyNOWHERE posted:I hope people don't think that Cooper is somehow "inhabiting" Dougie. Dougie is gone gone. That's Cooper. He's just all messed up still from being in the lodge so long. Think how spaced out and weird Briggs was when he came out. He was just in there three days. Which is what makes people around him not noticing that Dougie isn't really Dougie anymore than much funnier.
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I love the series. Love it. Spoilers for ep 4. The casino that Mr. Jackpots visits is the Silver Mustang. Is this a silver mustang?  The rest is just random from ep 4. Naomi Watts is amazing - she has perfect control of that shuddering, tense, near-crazy voice. Flashback to Betty finding all the money in Rita's bag in MD. Why are there roses on Denise's visitor's chair? Lucy screaming in terror and flying backwards due to a cell phone is very twin peaks, or On The Air, one or another. Goodnight, Chad. The Bobby as cop reveal make me yell and pull at my hair. Well done. And his reaction to Laura's photo is one of the most heartfelt and genuine in all four episodes. Also - music cue! Heh.. self-parody, maybe. "Listen, Mr. Dreamweaver" Watts to Cooper - what does that mean? Already said, I'm sure, but love this cookie jar:  The blue filter on that last scene is distracting and beautiful. It's the most arresting scene of the episode. That "one certain person" is definitely Diane. And that's Laura Dern. I'll bet a doughnut on it.
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I agree with some of the complaints about the fx, but I understand why they look the way they do. Lynch has always dabbled in physical media, and his transition to digital has been less than smooth. He decided to shoot Inland Empire on a pd150 dvcam, which was considered way outdated in 2005 (it was cutting edge when von Trier used the same camera for certain scenes in "Dancer in the Dark" when he shot it in 1999, and even then he used custom lenses to improve the image), so it looks very cheap and home video. Lynch loved the look, and compared it to the graininess of old 1920s film stock, but most people see it and say 'wow, that looks bad'. He started doing his own digital art around the same time he launched his website, as well as designing the posters for Inland Empire and the release of the Twin Peaks vol. 2 soundtrack, which look pretty amateurish and not at all professionally 'designed'. Some of the shorts he did for the website or promotions featured fx which looked non-professional, like this short for Cannes in '07, which I love: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GavrZa7LDaQ In the mid 2000s, he released The Air is On Fire art book that featured some of his photoshop work, or 'digital paintings', and they are very crude but very Lynch. It's hard to find many of these online (it own it and might post some examples later if anyone's interested), but this is the idea:  When I see the fx for the new series, they very much remind me of this stuff, and I wouldn't be surprised if Lynch handled some of these fx himself. Sometimes it works, like the body in the bed looking obviously fake. It's very reminiscent of his crude photoshops and I'm fine with that. But when Dougie's body disappears and is replaced by a rock (?), that digital stretch-morph effect is some babbys first flash video level stuff. But like it or not, the reason the effects look the way they do isn't because of a lack of money, but rather because Lynch likes this look for reasons that are probably baffling to most people.
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n4 posted:I felt like Bobby bursting out crying was self-parody and I loving loved it. That's an interesting take on it. I felt that it was all pretty straight-forward. It was really touching at first to see him working as a cop, which gives a whole lot more poignancy to the scene he has with his father in the original show, talking about his vision of what's probably the White Lodge. It made me tear up the first time I saw it, and that feeling is even more pronounced now that it appears that he fulfilled his father's vision. HE'S A GOOD BOY, DAMMIT.  And then he sees Laura's photo and just breaks down crying like he can't help it, because he really did love her even though she was so lost she couldn't really love anyone properly in return, let alone Bobby. I really hope he doesn't turn out to still be Bad Bobby, because that would ruin all of it 
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I'm not quite sure why people watching a film see unreal things that don't ever happen or exist in reality and then complain that it doesn't look realistic. I think the point with a lot of Lynch effects is it isn't supposed to look real because it isn't.
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The figure on the left reminds me a lot of the murderous thing that appears in the box after Coop passes through it.
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NObodyNOWHERE posted:I'm not quite sure why people watching a film see unreal things that don't ever happen or exist in reality and then complain that it doesn't look realistic. I think the point with a lot of Lynch effects is it isn't supposed to look real because it isn't. Are we supposed to assume there is something else going on with the body in the bed, and that's why it looked unrealistic?
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wa27 posted:Are we supposed to assume there is something else going on with the body in the bed, and that's why it looked unrealistic?
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wa27 posted:Are we supposed to assume there is something else going on with the body in the bed, and that's why it looked unrealistic? Try asking this question again, but framed on the context of the entire show within which that body exists. If I am trying to depict a jarring and alien unreality in a film, what is my best approach to do that? Is it to expend effort making everything look realistic and blend seamlessly and comfortably into the audience's notions of what looks realistic?
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Creature posted:I absolutely love the idea that the Log Lady managed to get herself banned from the Sheriff's department by leaving gum around. She chewed pitch gum in the original series iirc, always spitting it out like tobacco, I assume Lucy meant she was leaving that in cups/etc. Not wads of the normal stuff. e: seconding all guesses Laura Dern will be Diane. I so want this to be true. Or for us to still not meet her in person. esperterra fucked around with this message at 06:02 on May 24, 2017 |
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Magic Hate Ball posted:I think a lot of viewers just want to feel comfortable, when the whole point of Twin Peaks has always been that comfort is a thin layer on top of a gruesome darkness. Empress Brosephine posted:If you were a fan of the tv shows charm and chemistry and hated FWWM you are going to really hate this. This show for me feels like a good time. FWWM I always find tough (while good), with it's relentless tension and horrificness. While this show has some really in your face horror scenes, for me it's done in a fun way overall, and feels very cinematic and dreamlike. While FWWM is too, somehow it was more uncomfortable and just really scary, very real look at horrific stuff. This gives me something like the feelings I get from Twin Peaks (Lynch episodes), Lost Highway, Mulholland Dr, and Blue Velvet, where it's out there but it's oddly comforting to watch. It's kind of fun, underneath the weirdness. I think an underlying humor and sense of fun is somehow in most of Lynch's dark noir kind of stuff. (Dark noir would be a funny band name) I'd even say for me, this new show is less dark than the pilot of Twin Peaks, which was at times a fairly heavy look at loss. This show I feel like I'm in a David Lynch playground, which is where I wanna be. Granted those couple full on horror scenes are some of the most intense out there, but overall the show just feels really fun to me. Very entertaining, can't wait to see what's next. Just felt like chiming in on how I don't feel much discomfort with this show, where I do with FWWM and Inland Empire. While I could see it making sense to approach it like there's "normal" TV Lynch and very intense dark Lynch for example, there are more flavors than just those two along the way. And this feels very different and to me more fun than FWWM, and it has more humor as well. Could not be happier with this show, it's reminiscent of some of my favorite Lynch movies, while also being Twin Peaks. And it was not a known thing that Lynch would even be directing another movie, and here we get 18 hour long episodes from him. Wowsers. egon_beeblebrox posted:Holy gently caress, Michael Cera. Instant classic performance, I've got to show this scene to friends who aren't Lynch fans, who wouldn't be sold on that? Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 06:19 on May 24, 2017 |
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Can't stop thinking about these first four episodes - this is phenomenal stuff. There are some really great, funny comic scenes that only get better the more you think about or watch them. The casino, the bunnies, the evolution of the Arm, Wally, "Faces of stone". I want every episode now but it's going to be great having the chance to relish each one over and over every week.
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Somehow I feel like this season is a lot less scary than FWWM, Mulholland Drive, or even the original Twin Peaks. Part of what made FWWM so scary, I think, is that it was about a truly terrifying situation that happens in real life (domestic abuse), and all of the surreal qualities were signifiers pointing to the awful, overwhelming truth of that reality. In the original Twin Peaks, too, I think some of the scariest scenes were also completely unexpected and unprecedented, and the stakes were high because Coop was our hero and there were likable folks in town who were in danger. Things start hosed from the get-go in this season, so the stakes are lower. The biggest thing to me though, is that the entities somehow seem more mundane and less oppressive. Evil Coop is like loving poo poo i don't wanna go back there ugh i'm gonna puke up this creamed corn if I don't figure out a plan. He has some pretty major vulnerability shown to us for an antagonist--losing control of his car, etc. Even the brain tree has a doppleganger that can machinate contrary to its desires. They feel less like all-powerful eternal archetypes and more like strange individual entities with their own individual agendas. BOB in the original felt like he represented nothing short of the absolute corruption of your soul, a ruinous spiritual defeat. Evil Coop, while intimidating, feels diminished in scope so far, and the weird vaginahead monster is physically threatening but doesn't seem as spiritually threatening. I don't think any of these things are bad things, though. I'm adoring this season, and I think this is more or less the direction the revival needed to go in. But FWWM literally gave me chronic nightmares for over three years of my life (I got better), so it's pretty surprising to me that this season is not so scary to me. One of the things that stands out to me is that this is a show where Coop has been split into 3 people in the course of 4 episodes. Season 2 ended with him staring at BOB in a shattered, fragmented mirror. One of the questions I can't help but ask myself is why he was "defeated" in the finale in the first place. What prevented him from passing through the black lodge unharmed? One thing is that he seemed too willing to trade his soul for Annie's safety. Another was the fascination he had with her that Lynch seemed to find utterly banal ("How's Annie?"). But the thing that sticks out to me is that when he meets his doppelganger in the lodge, he runs away from it. Using dream logic--in a nightmare, you don't run away from the monster chasing you, you confront it. It seems strangely un-Cooperish, un-heroic and un-agentlike and un-mindful for him to flee instead of face it. It's like a rejection of his Shadow. Especially when you consider Leland's words in the lodge, where he says something like "I didn't do anything wrong, I didn't do anything." It makes me wonder if Coop wouldn't have found himself in this situation if he had acknowledged his Shadow Coop and embraced it or something, instead of running from it.
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That's exactly what happened. Deputy Hawk (Paraphrasing) posted:If you experience fear in the Black Lodge, it will destroy you utterly. Cooper felt fear in the Black Lodge. It let BOB inside him. It's interesting that you felt like BOB has become lesser, I actually had the exact opposite reaction. BOB was a simple predator in Twin Peaks. He was hungry, so he fed. Years in our world have made him fat, made him picky. He's gone from feeding to indulging. Murder is easy, boring - but complex webs that show how rotten everyone is inside? Now that's...difficult, interesting. He's not just the evil that men do. He is Evil. It's not just survival, it's sport. The Unlife Aquatic fucked around with this message at 06:49 on May 24, 2017 |
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Cephas posted:One of the questions I can't help but ask myself is why he was "defeated" in the finale in the first place. What prevented him from passing through the black lodge unharmed? One thing is that he seemed too willing to trade his soul for Annie's safety. Another was the fascination he had with her that Lynch seemed to find utterly banal ("How's Annie?"). But the thing that sticks out to me is that when he meets his doppelganger in the lodge, he runs away from it. Using dream logic--in a nightmare, you don't run away from the monster chasing you, you confront it. It seems strangely un-Cooperish, un-heroic and un-agentlike and un-mindful for him to flee instead of face it. It's like a rejection of his Shadow. Especially when you consider Leland's words in the lodge, where he says something like "I didn't do anything wrong, I didn't do anything." It makes me wonder if Coop wouldn't have found himself in this situation if he had acknowledged his Shadow Coop and embraced it or something, instead of running from it. I think that's it, and so instead of killing evil Cooper he will have to reabsorb him to become whole again. Maybe Laura would still be alive if she had confronted what was being done to her, in a literal way like going to the police and reporting her father, instead of using drugs for escapism. Although I guess she did embrace her dark side, in a different way. Do you guys think the Cooper doppelganger in this season is meant to be BOB? So far it doesn't seem like it. Only the "How's Annie?" scene in the previous finale seems to suggest that (because of the mirror image), but everything else makes it seem like the doppelganger, not BOB, replaced Coop. The only other explanation I can think of is that BOB is simply sick of his endless hedonistic quest for garmanbozia, and its worn down his maniacal personality.
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