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The Management posted:here's how it works for apple, google, amazon and the other big tech companies. they will get you a relocation package. that package is either straight up cash or a moving company to transport all of your poo poo, including cars, to their location. they will get you several weeks at corporate housing / hotel / short term rental so you can find a place to stay. they may help you in rental or purchase search. they may rent you a car while yours is being transported. they may help your spouse with job placement. if you need something else, tell them. neat, my wife is a project manager so there should be plenty of positions available in sv for her. what i really need is about 5k to have someone finish recarpeting and retrimming my house so it's sellable  .
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i moved from nyc to seattle for amzn with the lump sum option which was unnecessarily complicated. the total they gave me was 10k split in two. first 5k was deposited immediately, but i didn't receive the second 5k until 2 months later, and it was taxed so I actually got less than that as well so I still had to pay out of pocket when the first 5k ran out.
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May 24, 2017 15:42
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You could probably move on the cheap with the lump sum option but its soooo nice having movers come in, pack up all your poo poo (in 2 hours), and get it to wherever you're going. The guys I went with didn't even want me packing anything, they wanted to wrap it all themselves (so if something I packed broke they couldn't be blamed for it)
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May 24, 2017 15:46
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yeah my bro got moved by his current company and they gave him a pile of cash + effectively paid the taxes on it so he moved on the cheap and pocketed the diff.
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May 24, 2017 15:55
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ADINSX posted:You could probably move on the cheap with the lump sum option but its soooo nice having movers come in, pack up all your poo poo (in 2 hours), and get it to wherever you're going. yeah having movers move your poo poo owns owns owns the lump sum owns if you don't have anything worth moving tho. like when you're a fresh grad or something and at most you have some garbage ikea furniture
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May 24, 2017 15:58
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i am not averse to packing and driving my own things. my fam's itinerant poor lifestyle means it would be like my 34th move or something in my life. i'd much rather have the money for getting my condo in shape because it's also been reassessed about 30k higher than what i bought it at so i could actually walk away with a profit for more debt blasting.
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May 24, 2017 15:59
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Bloody posted:yeah having movers move your poo poo owns owns owns
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cis autodrag posted:i am not averse to packing and driving my own things. my fam's itinerant poor lifestyle means it would be like my 34th move or something in my life. i'd much rather have the money for getting my condo in shape because it's also been reassessed about 30k higher than what i bought it at so i could actually walk away with a profit for more debt blasting. could you just use your signing bonus for that
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May 24, 2017 16:05
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Bloody posted:could you just use your signing bonus for that what's a signing bonus precious?
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May 24, 2017 16:10
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another thing you'll be getting, although i didnt get the first chunk of mine until i'd been here a month, ymmv
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May 24, 2017 16:14
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my first job out of college i was offered relocation assistance and i didn't really know how that worked so i blew a few k on movers expecting i could just claim it as expenses but no it was basically just a cash signing bonus and my dad was perfectly willing to just drive up north and stuff my meager possessions into his car for free lol owned
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May 24, 2017 16:16
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Bloody posted:another thing you'll be getting, although i didnt get the first chunk of mine until i'd been here a month, ymmv jesus should i show you on the doll where epic touched me? i feel so taken advantage of. i guess ultimately they shelled out for the training that put me on the path to greener pastures so the greater victory is mine. when i was talking to the recruiter he asked if i had shares in epic (specifically he said "what do they do for retention?") and i explained our "stock appreciation right" system to him (they're basically worthless). he asked me what mine were worth right now so i pulled a huge number out of my rear end (i said 10k but they're actually only worth like 2k or something) and he laughed. this company is such crap. speaking of which i should redeem my stock so they can't gently caress around with that when i leave.
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May 24, 2017 16:27
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lol, i lied. they snuck in a change of terms so it takes 2 years just to vest 12.5% of your shares so they're actually completely worthless  edit: and the value formula is such that by the time they fully vest they'll be worth about $350 dollars. amazing. what a joke company.
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May 24, 2017 16:34
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I got a buddy in madison who does point of sale IT for woodmans and im pretty sure they treat him better than your average dev at epic
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May 24, 2017 16:35
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Tatsujin posted:I got a buddy in madison who does point of sale IT for woodmans and im pretty sure they treat him better than your average dev at epic well ya woodmans is employee owned and if you are through your "probationary" period you get the same perks as anyone else. they are loving hella lovely to people who haven't hit that 6-month probation end date though and churn through basic level checkers and stockers like crazy.
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May 24, 2017 16:37
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Should've said 6.5 figgies. It needs to be such a compromise to your existing comp that a huge signing bonus is just barely convincing you to switch
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May 24, 2017 16:39
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That said, if the recruiter is any good then they could very well already know a big company like epic's comp structure
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May 24, 2017 16:42
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Progressive JPEG posted:Should've said 6.5 figgies. It needs to be such a compromise to your existing comp that a huge signing bonus is just barely convincing you to switch it should be abundantly clear by now that i have no loving clue how applying for grownup programming jobs works  also epic is privately held so he's not gonna find any publically available info because the ceo is *paranoid*
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May 24, 2017 16:42
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cis autodrag posted:well ya woodmans is employee owned and if you are through your "probationary" period you get the same perks as anyone else. they are loving hella lovely to people who haven't hit that 6-month probation end date though and churn through basic level checkers and stockers like crazy. yeah thats basically how he described it to me, after the six months he really didn't have any reason to go anywhere else, he's been working there since high school so he's stacking that retirement money like crazy. the funny part is that woodmans has really cheap fancy booze so hes buying poo poo like patron and deaths door constantly now
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May 24, 2017 16:47
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cis autodrag posted:it should be abundantly clear by now that i have no loving clue how applying for grownup programming jobs works epic is relatively large though, and if you don't think people who have left HR or senior positions from them for wherever else haven't told their new employer the comp structure and whether or not they should poach staff you're hallucinating
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May 24, 2017 16:48
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are signing bonuses a thing outside of the big west coast tech companies?
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May 24, 2017 16:49
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cis autodrag posted:jesus should i show you on the doll where epic touched me? i feel so taken advantage of. lol ya it was a surprise to me too. i'd already verbally accepted an offer and stuff then the letter showed up and surprise! deece five figgy signing bonus that didnt even expect!
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May 24, 2017 16:49
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Munkeymon posted:are signing bonuses a thing outside of the big west coast tech companies? I think fintech does them as well.
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May 24, 2017 16:51
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Munkeymon posted:are signing bonuses a thing outside of the big west coast tech companies? is that like employment referral scheme cash equivalent for current employees? if so, it's making rounds in latvia since the tech salaries mostly flatline at 30k mark
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May 24, 2017 16:51
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Munkeymon posted:are signing bonuses a thing outside of the big west coast tech companies? i think I got a 5k signing bonus after I tried (and failed) to negotiate for more salary once, otherwise never been on the table -- it's a big tech and big finance, or desperate small tech company thing mostly i think i got my first non-signing bonus ever, this year 
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cis autodrag posted:lol, i lied. they snuck in a change of terms so it takes 2 years just to vest 12.5% of your shares so they're actually completely worthless lol
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May 24, 2017 16:54
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i got 10k when i hired into this job (in maryland) but the company doesn't offer relocation assistance so it was basically "here, pay for yourself to move and on your first paycheck we'll reimburse you" so not really a signing bonus at all 
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May 24, 2017 16:55
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i get five figgie quarterly bonuses and RSUs and we have a deecee ESPP but this is the first job that I've had that has had any of this, it's really nice
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May 24, 2017 16:58
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my unlimited vacation jerb just switched to 5 weeks pto, i feel.... bad? about it. incredibly first world remote tech worker problem
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mostly i just dont want to think about vacation and enter data into a bleep bloop computer about when im not in NO gently caress YOU DAD
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:my unlimited vacation jerb just switched to 5 weeks pto, i feel.... bad? about it. unlimited pto is purely a cost saving measure, its a bad benefit as long as your 5 weeks can rollover that's much better
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May 24, 2017 17:01
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mishaq posted:i get five figgie quarterly bonuses and RSUs and we have a deecee ESPP thanks for reminding me, i just signed up for my company's stock purchasing program over here as well don't wanna forget like i did last year 
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RISCy Business posted:thanks for reminding me, i just signed up for my company's stock purchasing program over here as well our espp is really good by espp standards, i made a lot last year just immediately selling the stock since there isn't a required holding period after the shares are released thankfully
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mishaq posted:unlimited pto is purely a cost saving measure, its a bad benefit i know the pos thinks it's a scam, but IME it's just been a great way to go skiing more and even get paid to fulfill minimum vacation bonus -- I've always worked at really small companies tho, i can see how it's different at 300 person 'startups' ofc
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May 24, 2017 17:09
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mishaq posted:i get five figgie quarterly bonuses and RSUs and we have a deecee ESPP dont you live in dc and whine about how terrible that is tho
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Bloody posted:dont you live in dc and whine about how terrible that is tho i do and it is i don't have to stay in dc for this job tho, i might be moving soon i also work from home 3-4 days a week 
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Munkeymon posted:are signing bonuses a thing outside of the big west coast tech companies? For local moves between west coast tech companies it's often money that you get to buy out your vested options at curjob before you go to newjob (assuming curjob is doing well)
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Progressive JPEG posted:For local moves between west coast tech companies it's often money that you get to buy out your vested options at curjob before you go to newjob (assuming curjob is doing well) if your vested options are in the money then you don't need anything to buy them and if they're not why would you buy them?
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The Management posted:if your vested options are in the money then you don't need anything to buy them and if they're not why would you buy them? because they're "in the money" on paper but can not actually be exchanged for anything of value until an ipo or other event which may never happen or will happen at unfavorable terms [eg bankruptcy] source: I "own" 325 shares of altavista stock
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there are people (edit: firms) that will loan you money to buy your unvested shares, assuming the risk, for a cut sv
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