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stillvisions posted:For the current administration the lack of a FBI head for a while is considered a feature, not a bug. I suppose they might think that, but it's absolutely not. Pretty sure the guy who's the stand-in is out for Trump's blood.
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RiggenBlaque posted:I've seen this going around a lot lately without any mention that this happened in 2013 In 2017 he'd just lean into it and get a job at CNN
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May 24, 2017 16:37
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Chilichimp posted:The funny thing about this is that they don't, because they literally can't afford to project power like that anymore. If Putin himself said they did, I still wouldn't believe it. I'm betting there hasn't bee a Russian submarine within striking distance of the US mainland since the 80's. There was that spy ship though. I mean, not the same exactly, but I think that answers the question of what we'd do, which appeared to be "watch it intently" but otherwise nothing.
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Supremezero posted:I suppose they might think that, but it's absolutely not. Pretty sure the guy who's the stand-in is out for Trump's blood. 
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Mustached Demon posted:gently caress it full conspiracy mode since I'm there already: you bet your sweet rear end they were the those subs. The ones with the big badaboom. Off topic but if we have to have to missile subs, I for one would chuckle if the next generation was the "Dallas" class.
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Supremezero posted:I suppose they might think that, but it's absolutely not. Pretty sure the guy who's the stand-in is out for Trump's blood. yep, everything I've read suggests that most of the FBI believes they are at war with Trump and want to take him down. Not having his own FBI director in there to contain them is not a good thing at all for Trump.
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Uncleanly Cleric posted:There was that spy ship though. I mean, not the same exactly, but I think that answers the question of what we'd do, which appeared to be "watch it intently" but otherwise nothing. As long as it stays 12 miles off shore, there really is nothing to do.
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May 24, 2017 16:39
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empty whippet box posted:Could you quote this for me? Having trouble finding it in the speech myself. A bit back, went to sleep, awake now, here is the link to the rick roll at the end of melania's speech if your still interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3IaR3mU-BA
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May 24, 2017 16:40
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Chilichimp posted:As long as it stays 12 miles off shore, there really is nothing to do. True enough. I just thought the parallel was worth noting.
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stillvisions posted:For the current administration the lack of a FBI head for a while is considered a feature, not a bug. There is a head of the FBI, it's the acting director, and he will stay head of the FBI until someone is confirmed.
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May 24, 2017 16:41
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stillvisions posted:For the current administration the lack of a FBI head for a while is considered a feature, not a bug. That's good for us since that means he won't have a toady in place to shut down the investigation.
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May 24, 2017 16:44
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Feldegast42 posted:That's good for us since that means he won't have a toady in place to shut down the investigation. That doesn't even matter anymore since Rosenstein went off reservation and appointed a special counsel. Man. Remember when we all thought Rosenstein was a toadie? That man really turned his public imagine the gently caress around. Maybe Comey was right about him being a survivor.
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The Glumslinger posted:By claims, I assume you mean tapes, with the transcript published in the WaPo last week, right? Yep, Ryan's flak denied that the "Everybody hush about the treason" incident happened when asked. The reporter then read off of the transcript and he said it was a fake. Then the reporter mentioned that he heard the recording and the story changed from "It's a fake" to It's a joke" Haha, get it? There's also talk that the person who recorded it was Evan McMullin. Yesterday Clapper testified under oath that he warned the entire gang of eight (which is Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Devin Nunes, and Richard Burr on the republican side) was told last August about this and about how serious a problem was . Their public stance has been "I see no need for a special investigation at this time" So it pretty obvious they care more about money and power than they do about our country.
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Chilichimp posted:That doesn't even matter anymore since Rosenstein went off reservation and appointed a special counsel. I rather imagine that Mueller appreciates the FBI's help. As for Rosenstein, I'm not entirely sure that's what happened. Everyone seems worried about him being a survivor, so maybe he saw the end coming before everyone else was willing to accept it.
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Supremezero posted:I rather imagine that Mueller appreciates the FBI's help. And he'll get it with or without the directors approval, and if he gets railroaded or stonewalled by the FBI, then he'll just report it to congress.
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Supremezero posted:As for Rosenstein, I'm not entirely sure that's what happened. Everyone seems worried about him being a survivor, so maybe he saw the end coming before everyone else was willing to accept it. I don't think he was ever a toadie. He definitely saw himself being painted into a corner that would drag him down with the administration and cut himself right the gently caress out of it, though.
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May 24, 2017 16:49
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Chilichimp posted:That doesn't even matter anymore since Rosenstein went off reservation and appointed a special counsel. Turns out when you try to lie on someone's name they don't take it well and will go into self-defense mode now that they know you can't be trusted.
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Chilichimp posted:I don't think he was ever a toadie. He definitely saw himself being painted into a corner that would drag him down with the administration and cut himself right the gently caress out of it, though. He wasn't a toadie but he did collaborate in Comey's firing and the coverup.
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May 24, 2017 16:50
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Spun Dog posted:Yep, Ryan's flak denied that the "Everybody hush about the treason" incident happened when asked. The reporter then read off of the transcript and he said it was a fake. Then the reporter mentioned that he heard the recording and the story changed from "It's a fake" to It's a joke" Their money and power directly translates to "good for the country" in their twisted loving minds, though.
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In the plus side Richard Burr isn't running for NC Senate again in 2022 so we have that going for us
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Is school choice a dogwhistle for "take my white kids out of minority schools?
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May 24, 2017 16:52
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evilweasel posted:He wasn't a toadie but he did collaborate in Comey's firing and the coverup. He didn't really collaborate in the coverup, unless I missed some piece of news.
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May 24, 2017 16:52
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Is school choice a dogwhistle for "take my white kids out of minority schools? its this and private christian school
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May 24, 2017 16:53
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Is school choice a dogwhistle for "take my white kids out of minority schools? Yes
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May 24, 2017 16:53
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evilweasel posted:There is a head of the FBI, it's the acting director, and he will stay head of the FBI until someone is confirmed. You know, that, I know that, but the administration party line will be "In this contentious time *insert whatever comes up* should move forward until we've confirmed the real director" and that's all they need to say to the base.
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May 24, 2017 16:54
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Is school choice a dogwhistle for "take my white kids out of minority schools? It can be. A bigger part of it is that private schools can teach religion. Also if you haven't noticed public schools have been hamstrung by legislation for years now, and increasingly so. You can't exactly point to one thing and say, "It's all X!" It's a mix.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Is school choice a dogwhistle for "take my white kids out of minority schools? Yes Edit: drat, beaten
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evilweasel posted:He wasn't a toadie but he did collaborate in Comey's firing and the coverup. Explain?
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Is school choice a dogwhistle for "take my white kids out of minority schools? Yes. I have family in Alabama and it's always fun seeing the number of private schools established in 1954, basically immediately after Brown vs Board of Education. It's a dog whistle.
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Dexo posted:He didn't really collaborate in the coverup, unless I missed some piece of news. He wrote the memo knowing that it would be used as justification for the firing and that it was not actually the basis for the firing.
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Blitz7x posted:In the plus side Richard Burr isn't running for NC Senate again in 2022 so we have that going for us Cool, maybe I can hold out hope of him going rogue still.
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On this topic of Comey, coverup, and memos, crossposted from another thread: So, the title of this thread may end up being wrong. Russia may not end up being the topic that matters; even in the light of the recent FBI raids on half a dozen Republican party contractors, the least contentious topic of inquiry is now obstruction of justice. This graphic exaggerates several accusations, but it points out what I'm talking about. https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/867375384270168064 Two accusations, firing Comey and stating that Sessions ought not to recuse himself, are supported by plain language by Donald Trump himself, with the Comey admission on camera in closeup. The notion that firing Comey was obstruction of justice is black and white: if you are able to frame it otherwise, you are capable of ignoring video evidence or thinking Trump was just kidding in turned out to be a serious and frank interview. Comey's memos on the proceedings of meetings he had with Donald Trump, in which Comey was asked in no uncertain terms to drop the Manafort investigation, shift this interpretation of Trump's damning admission in the recorded Lester Holt interview from near certainty to virtually absolute certainty. Trump stating that Sessions ought not to recuse himself, so far as I am aware, was merely an official opinion and not actually something the White House took procedural action on. It is thus likely an exaggeration; that's not a crime. The Yates firing, so far as publicly available and auditable information go, can be swung as a reaction to inaction on the first major immigration EO of 2017. Sure, it placed Sessions in a position to firewall Trump from the justice system, but it would be fancifully speculative at this time to think this was the main reason Yates was fired as it is perfectly normal to replace AGs upon inauguration. That accusation is an overreach; Trump did probably fire Yates over the EO. The rest of the accusations require document discovery proceedings, leaks, or subpoenas for testimony to verify and are thus, right now, overreaching. That leaves us with one black and white instance of obstruction of justice with documents in the historical record to confirm a criminal interpretation of Donald Trump's intent. Donald Trump engaged in criminal activity. The game is over there, with any future testimony from a DJT team member testifying in exchange for immunity from anything discovered in the numerous FBI's raids on GOP organizations only dumping more icing on the cake. If McConnell and Ryan are unable to block hearings or public disclosure of the special prosecutor's findings, it is over. Any trial would be a fait accompli. (Edited for Twitter embed)
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Crazy Ferret posted:Yes. On the plus side, most of the racists can't really afford the likely terrible education of said private schools to begin with - so homeschool it is for you, Ezekiel Josh-Marty!
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Crazy Ferret posted:Yes. "Celebrating 60 years of excellence!" Crabtree posted:On the plus side, most of the racists can't really afford the likely terrible education of said private schools to begin with - so homeschool it is for you, Ezekiel Josh-Marty! They can get pretty cheap, especially for a family living on cheap real estate in a quiet neighborhood in Alabama.
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evilweasel posted:There is a head of the FBI, it's the acting director, and he will stay head of the FBI until someone is confirmed. Not quite. I believe Trump can appoint an acting director within the limits of 5 U.S. Code § 3345. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3345 Namely an FBI person of GS -15 + who was there for at least 90 days prior to the Comey firing or someone who has been approved by the Senate for a different office, if I've read the legalese correctly. Either action would likely cause .. complications.
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farraday posted:Not quite. I believe Trump can appoint an acting director within the limits of 5 U.S. Code § 3345. It would also require Trump to know the name of any member of the FBI.
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Supremezero posted:It would also require Trump to know the name of any member of the FBI. Well if Mulder isn't a GS-15 he should be!
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Potato Salad posted:Explain? The way the reporting has gone re:Rosenstein is: Trump fires Comey and cites Rosensteins letter (which at no point mentioned firing him). Leaks emerge that Rosenstein isn't happy he's being painted as the cause for this, talking about how he threatened to resign over it. Trump publicly walks back the white-house Rosenstein excuse in the Holt interview. It's later reported that Rosenstein was told Trump was firing Comey and wanted Rosenstein to write a letter expressing his concerns about the director. Rosenstein appoints a special prosecutor, probably in response to the way Comey's firing was handled, because the entire situation was scummy as gently caress. This all lines up with the way Rodgers, Coats, and Comey reacted to being in situations where obstruction of justice was apparent.
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Piell posted:[url=http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/03/16/mulvaney_says_cutting_aid_to_the_poor_is_compassionate.html] Why do I hear dogs barking? Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Is school choice a dogwhistle for "take my white kids out of minority schools? Or just straight up have state money go to the schools that the white kids are already attending. The great catch of charter schools is that they usually are not required to take anyone.
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evilweasel posted:He wrote the memo knowing that it would be used as justification for the firing. And yet he was ordered to write up his opinions on Comey's actions. So unless he just like resigned he didn't have an option. It was specifically worded such that it didn't actually advocate for anything. Just his opinions on his mistakes He knew that it would be used in a justification, he probably didn't expect to be the one that they put all the blame on in such a blatant lie though.
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