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robotsinmyhead posted:My friend works for a charter school that seems to get a lot of 'troubled' kids. These are the kids that got kicked out of public schools for various reasons, so part of the way this charter school makes money (in my unofficial opinion) is by grabbing them all up and putting them in one place. The charter school makes a bunch of money and is likely less accountable than their public counterparts, so they can claim they reformed the kids etc. Also, Vouchers very conveniently became a thing to push for after Brown v. Board of Education.
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mcmagic posted:That's before there is actual human running against him that the conservative infotainment complex has demonized though. That didn't really help his favorables very much, just his vote take. Trump still had the lowest favorables of any candidate, ever. (second was Clinton)
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evilweasel posted:lol the georgia race has gotten so expensive local tv stations are reorganizing their lineup so they can show more political ads: I always wondered what it would be like to live in Ohio. Quick, someone gimme a bowl of lovely chili.
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May 24, 2017 18:11
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theflyingorc posted:That didn't really help his favorables very much, just his vote take. Well yeah but as you're proving here, he doesn't need high favorables to win.
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May 24, 2017 18:12
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robotsinmyhead posted:My friend works for a charter school that seems to get a lot of 'troubled' kids. These are the kids that got kicked out of public schools for various reasons, so part of the way this charter school makes money (in my unofficial opinion) is by grabbing them all up and putting them in one place. The charter school makes a bunch of money and is likely less accountable than their public counterparts, so they can claim they reformed the kids etc. It should not be ignored that charters actually have a decent following in minority communities with concerned parents who see it as a way for their children to actually have a chance at success in areas where the schools are terrible. I don't know what % that is but it's not just wealthy whites.
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Rigel posted:This may be correct, but the 21% who are STILL with him now are either not paying any attention at all, or they will be bitter enders.  I call into wonder just how much of the explosive growth of the "strongly disapprove" set is a flip directly from strongly approve / somewhat approve right to the opposite end of the spectrum once voters realized (1) Trump lied about healthcare (2) Trump was actually serious about going full focus on immigration over other promises on economic end ethics topics.
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Charter schools aren't inherently bad, they're just not regulated properly often and stuff and thus are often pretty bad, if not outright scams. In some states they're probably better than others, since among other things they may actually be held to some semblance of standards.Potato Salad posted:
It probably mirrors pretty well; strongly approving people move into slightly approving, those move to neutral or disapproving, and slightly disapproving begin to disapprove strongly. It's also probably why "strongly disapprove" can grow so much without "cutting into" the more mild disapproval; as people move out of the latter, they're replaced by those who previously were more neutral. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 18:16 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 18:14
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Party Plane Jones posted:
It's really starting to feel like Hannity has already decided he's leaving Fox News and is just trying to attract as large of a fanbase from the internet alt-right as he can before becoming a martyr and starting up his own internet show or something.
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RiggenBlaque posted:It's really starting to feel like Hannity has already decided he's leaving Fox News and is just trying to attract as large of a fanbase from the internet alt-right as he can before becoming a martyr and starting up his own internet show or something. His radio show isn't going anywhere.
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mcmagic posted:Well yeah but as you're proving here, he doesn't need high favorables to win. It's true, but I wonder how strong his "strongly approve" was leading up to the election. Even if those people are dropping from "strong" to "approve" and will still vote for him, the gap of enthusiasm for him from the insane part of the country could really cause those more near the middle, but uninformed, to not bother to vote. I'm not predicting this will happen by any means, but it would sure be nice.
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JeffersonClay posted:Support for charter schools is pretty consistent across racial groups so while this might accurately describe some people's conception of the issue it's not a complete picture. Here's a good starter read on that front: http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/10/06/496411024/why-busing-didnt-end-school-segregation robotsinmyhead posted:The only people I know who are really in favor of school vouchers are A) libertarians/FYGM diehards B) very religious C) wealthy and white - obv there's a lot of overlap in those groups. That too.
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Jaxyon posted:It should not be ignored that charters actually have a decent following in minority communities with concerned parents who see it as a way for their children to actually have a chance at success in areas where the schools are terrible. They also work really well in Scandinavian countries, but they have very strict restrictions on religious proselytizing by schools that receive the funds, which we can't do. They aren't necessarily a bad idea in the abstract, they're just going to be implemented horribly by the Republicans because they're a stalking horse to defund public Ed generally.
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Alter Ego posted:Does Quist have any shot at all? Are the votes even there? As people have said, he has a shot but he is the underdog. He has never led in any of the polls, but they have been close enough that turnout can win it for him because it's very difficult to model special election turnout. If it's close but he still loses, that's still a good sign for 2018 because (a) he's a flawed candidate in some important respects and (b) it's a very conservative state.
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Roland Jones posted:Charter schools aren't inherently bad, they're just not regulated properly often and stuff and thus are often pretty bad, if not outright scams. In some states they're probably better than others, since among other things they may actually be held to some semblance of standards. The biggest issue is that 1 good charter school is being used to prop up 10 bad charters schools. There is a good push in minority communities to move to charters because the public school system, particularly in how they are funded, is bad in those areas. Instead of fixing the problem, the charters spring up and some are actually good and useful. Others are scams or unregulated nightmare zones to stash "problem" students with ill-trained teachers. I'm starting teaching in the fall out in Texas and it can be a bit dire at times. Charters are a band-aid instead of a cure.
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Alter Ego posted:Does Quist have any shot at all? Are the votes even there? Its going to be close. I'm still not positive that Quist can pull it off, Republicans are simply really entrenched in this this state. Also doesn't help the Republican party here pushed to restrict mail in ballots to keep people from voting. I will say that I see a lot of Quist signs, have received more calls from Quist supporters and his rallies have been pretty huge for the area.
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Alter Ego posted:Does Quist have any shot at all? Are the votes even there? Its shockingly close for a state like this. Quist was down 4 last poll we heard from. If the GOP turnout is fine, then Quist probably loses, but thats the big question. If Trump is depressing turnout then people who are telling pollsters they plan to vote for Gianforte might not bother to get out of bed and Quist wins.
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evilweasel posted:As people have said, he has a shot but he is the underdog. He has never led in any of the polls, but they have been close enough that turnout can win it for him because it's very difficult to model special election turnout. If it's close but he still loses, that's still a good sign for 2018 because (a) he's a flawed candidate in some important respects and (b) it's a very conservative state. One thing is for certain: If he loses, this thread will have half a dozen posters LOSING THEIR MINDS about how the Democrats are DEFINITELY doomed forever
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Crazy Ferret posted:The biggest issue is that 1 good charter school is being used to prop up 10 bad charters schools. There is a good push in minority communities to move to charters because the public school system, particularly in how they are funded, is bad in those areas. Instead of fixing the problem, the charters spring up and some are actually good and useful. Others are scams or unregulated nightmare zones to stash "problem" students with ill-trained teachers. Oh, yeah, I don't disagree. I'm not a fan of them myself and would prefer we fix public schools myself.
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Chilichimp posted:I always wondered what it would be like to live in Ohio. 
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theflyingorc posted:One thing is for certain: If he loses, this thread will have half a dozen posters LOSING THEIR MINDS about how the Democrats are DEFINITELY doomed forever Or if he wins
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I look forward to the book about the Fox News meltdown and can only hope it's called Bonfire of the Hannities.
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Voter disenfranchisement is loving stupid, and I'm ready to go to a 3-day, full polling place, weekend vote like France seems to be doing. Scheduling voting for one working day is just nakedly stealing votes form poor people.
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evilweasel posted:lol the georgia race has gotten so expensive local tv stations are reorganizing their lineup so they can show more political ads: I'm going to laugh even harder knowing this if they actually lose. All this money for a 'safe' seat
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Skyline chili is an atrocity. But god drat that cheese is the poo poo. When I lived in Cincinnati I would order cheese coneys with no chili just because that cheese is so good.
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Jaxyon posted:It should not be ignored that charters actually have a decent following in minority communities with concerned parents who see it as a way for their children to actually have a chance at success in areas where the schools are terrible. Basically. In 'bad' school districts it's a way for the students that have more involved parents to get their kids out of the system. In the case of gentrifying whites (See: Weehawken NJ, among other places), it's a way to not have to send their kids to the schools with those same troubled kids. It's a win-win for each of those groups. And the (not fully corrupt) charters know this. They know they can get the good kids with involved parents no matter what the income background to send their kids. Which then, in turn is catastrophic to the public school system in many ways.
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Mahoning posted:Skyline chili is an atrocity. But god drat that cheese is the poo poo. When I lived in Cincinnati I would order cheese coneys with no chili just because that cheese is so good. isn't it just cheddar?
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Gorilla Salad posted:I kninda wonder if some IC people took him aside and just showed him all the poo poo they had on the administration and the GOP and gave him the option of either being part of the solution or being the guy who went down in history as being the patsy for the covering up widespread light treason. I think this is how it went, and moreover, also with Nunes (why did he recuse himself?) and Chaffetz (oh gosh guy emergency foot surgery and I resign bye!)
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theflyingorc posted:One thing is for certain: If he loses, this thread will have half a dozen posters LOSING THEIR MINDS about how the Democrats are DEFINITELY doomed forever Here's a slim-to-none possibility no one is thinking about right now. What if the polls and turnout model end up being significantly wrong the other way? What if Quist wins and its not even close, like 53-44, something crazy like that. The GOP would immediately go into a double drudge siren blind panic. OK, I'm done dreaming, back to hoping Quist barely wins by half a point after a recount.
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https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/867427806413811712 That doesn't look good e. https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2460 quote:"Retirement age voters are leaving in big numbers," Malloy added. Uh oh Sloober fucked around with this message at 18:29 on May 24, 2017 |
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Chilichimp posted:Voter disenfranchisement is loving stupid, and I'm ready to go to a 3-day, full polling place, weekend vote like France seems to be doing. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down. —Paul Weyrich, 1980
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Flesh Forge posted:I think this is how it went, and moreover, also with Nunes (why did he recuse himself?) and Chaffetz (oh gosh guy emergency foot surgery and I resign bye!) Because he allowed himself to be followed to the white house and then had the loving stones to admit what he was doing there.
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Sloober posted:https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/867427806413811712 37% is a new low!
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boner confessor posted:mock them. there's no arguing with them, just tell them why they are wrong in a calm voice like you are correcting a child and then maybe throw in a clever, polite insult if you want. no name calling, just demonstrate your literacy Silence will be filled with non-sense; find your voice and speak. If they are allowed to state their views in front of others and nobody voices any objection, the newbs lurking 'round your bliss pit will think that's 'normal' and be primed to emulate. It's the humansong that carries that determines the behavior of a population.
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gently caress you  (Granted, I live in northern Kentucky and I understand entirely why people hate it. But I like it.) theflyingorc posted:isn't it just cheddar?
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Flesh Forge posted:Nunes (why did he recuse himself?) His covering up was so loving incompetent it was backfiring. The Republicans want the Trump probe quietly obstructed, not loudly obstructed. Nunes was giving away the game so he got yanked out.
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Mahoning posted:Skyline chili is an atrocity. But god drat that cheese is the poo poo. When I lived in Cincinnati I would order cheese coneys with no chili just because that cheese is so good. Its such a slander against the whole state to equate that Cincinnati bullshit on spaghetti to the official Ohio food reference. At least go with Buckeyes (balls of peanut butter fudge dipped in chocolate) or come up to Cleveland for some perogies and a Polish Boy. mkultra419 fucked around with this message at 18:33 on May 24, 2017 |
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