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Oberleutnant posted:2 year old article innit
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May 24, 2017 18:30
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May 24, 2017 18:35
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namesake posted:I highly highly recommend everyone listen to the end of todays Radio 4s PM, it's a ten minute with a guy living in Manchester who's part of the Libyan community and he basically spends the whole time saying how our hosed up foreign policy is to blame for a lot of the radicalisation that takes place. In fact here's a link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08qxfnn Starts about 47:30. No amount of foreign policy justifies blowing up little girls at a pop concert.
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May 24, 2017 18:35
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Irony Be My Shield posted:She was warned that cutting the police force would leave the UK vulnerable to a terrorist attack but she did it anyway and accused those warning her of "crying wolf". I think that may have taken on new relevance in the light of recent events, particularly since the army are having to step in to pick up the slack. Someone was saying to me a few months ago (I've no idea of the veracity, this was literally a bloke in a pub) that for the first time since it was established there's no waiting list to get into Hendon - if you fancy joining the Met then you could be out on the street in less time than it takes to get a sofa delivered.
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May 24, 2017 18:35
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sassassin posted:No amount of foreign policy justifies blowing up little girls at a pop concert. No-one says it justifies it, but it does explain and cause it.
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May 24, 2017 18:36
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namesake posted:I highly highly recommend everyone listen to the end of todays Radio 4s PM, it's a ten minute with a guy living in Manchester who's part of the Libyan community and he basically spends the whole time saying how our hosed up foreign policy is to blame for a lot of the radicalisation that takes place. In fact here's a link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08qxfnn Starts about 47:30. Zephro fucked around with this message at 18:40 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 18:37
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namesake posted:I highly highly recommend everyone listen to the end of todays Radio 4s PM, it's a ten minute with a guy living in Manchester who's part of the Libyan community and he basically spends the whole time saying how our hosed up foreign policy is to blame for a lot of the radicalisation that takes place. In fact here's a link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08qxfnn Starts about 47:30. I heard this, it was amazing and you could tell the interviewer was looking to pigeonhole a random Libyan and was totally unprepared for a well-reasoned argument.
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May 24, 2017 18:42
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big scary monsters posted:Never mind yer tepid aristocracy, the best tea comes from the famous plantations of Yorkshire. Taylor's of Harrogate do some quite nice coffee too, and you can get it whole bean in the supermarket. I went to school with a boy who claimed to be part of the Bettys and Taylors of Harrogate dynasty and that when his grandad died he would be minted, and no one believed him because he was full of it 99% of the time. Then he held a revision group at his house and it was a massive gently caress off mansion, and it turned out that everything he had been saying over the past 5 years was true. We all felt like complete dickheads.
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May 24, 2017 18:52
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Jose posted:i don't drink tea or coffee dirty dirty bastard
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May 24, 2017 19:00
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Hold on maybe he prefers bovril
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May 24, 2017 19:07
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Zephro posted:It's always struck me as inexplicably weird how reluctant some people are to join the dots on foreign policy and domestic Islamic terrorism. There aren't even that many dots. sassassin posted:No amount of foreign policy justifies blowing up little girls at a pop concert. It's not that inexplicable, really. People think "gently caress explaining this atrocity, it's not justifiable in any way so I'm not going to hear anything about 'causes'" Which is an understandable viewpoint, but also very naive. Complex geopolitical issues are at the root of stuff like this, whether you like it or not.
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May 24, 2017 19:09
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Bizarrely, people don't want to feel responsible for the consequences of their choices
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May 24, 2017 19:15
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Namtab posted:Bizarrely, people don't want to feel responsible for the consequences of their choices Which is odd because it's not really their choice, it's the government's choice.
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May 24, 2017 19:17
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Have the increased security forces presence in the aftermath of an attack ever stopped an attack? It's not like they could do anything against an actual terrorist anyway, given the their tactics. I guess it reassures the public or some poo poo.
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May 24, 2017 19:17
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What on earth is going on with the US. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/24/world/europe/manchester-arena-bomb-materials-photos.html?_r=2
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May 24, 2017 19:18
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OwlFancier posted:Which is odd because it's not really their choice, it's the government's choice. Ah, but who does the voting?
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May 24, 2017 19:18
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GaussianCopula posted:Have the increased security forces presence in the aftermath of an attack ever stopped an attack? Partially reassurance, partially them doing mass arrests on anyone they have on the terror books.
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May 24, 2017 19:20
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GaussianCopula posted:Have the increased security forces presence in the aftermath of an attack ever stopped an attack? gently caress off nazi.
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May 24, 2017 19:22
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Namtab posted:Ah, but who does the voting? Less than half the voters, which is significantly less than half the population.
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May 24, 2017 19:25
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sassassin posted:No amount of foreign policy justifies blowing up little girls at a pop concert. Explanations are not excuses. Understanding is not justification.
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May 24, 2017 19:26
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Namtab posted:Ah, but who does the voting? Probably very few with sufficient information for it to count.
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May 24, 2017 19:29
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US officials leak more Manchester details hours after UK rebukequote:Steady drip of details, which prompted censure from home secretary Amber Rudd, is hampering investigation into attack The Americans are apparently going full retard. E: And now nytimes have released details/pictures of the bomb and victim locations TheRat fucked around with this message at 19:38 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 19:34
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TheRat posted:US officials leak more Manchester details hours after UK rebuke Going? Also we don't use the end word here.
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May 24, 2017 19:38
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TheRat posted:The Americans are apparently going full retard. Maybe these intelligence leaks from the WH will distract the press from the scandals caused by the non stop intelligence leaks from the WH
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May 24, 2017 19:38
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Namtab posted:
Not even to describe american media? (Sorry, won't do it again)
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May 24, 2017 19:38
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deletebeepbeepbeep posted:What on earth is going on with the US. The US security services hate the current president and have been happily leaking to journalists pretty much whatever they want to know.
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May 24, 2017 19:40
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TheRat posted:Not even to describe american media? (Sorry, won't do it again) It's fine, I'm just a very pedantic ld nurse.
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May 24, 2017 19:43
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"Man I sure hope the internet left wing thread doesn't use the nasty word" *people with ld continue dying prematurely of manageable conditions*
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May 24, 2017 19:46
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GaussianCopula posted:Have the increased security forces presence in the aftermath of an attack ever stopped an attack? Last time the only thing they managed to stop was a Brazilian plumber's brain function. With bullets.
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May 24, 2017 19:48
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Fans posted:The US security services hate the current president and have been happily leaking to journalists pretty much whatever they want to know. This is a much older problem, dating back to at least the Bush years, of both DHS and FBI being willing to hand over info to the press based on the rules they follow rather than the rules (or wishes) of the providing country. The fact that this sort of coverage helps them justify their own budgets ("Look at the sophistication of these devices! We definitely need more money and toys to keep up with this sort of thing") as well as keeping them cosy with the papers when they need their help is, I'm sure, immaterial. (FWIW this is stuff shared with Interpol and other international policing organisations rather than stuff shared via intelligence agreements like Five Eyes)
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May 24, 2017 19:51
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TheRat posted:US officials leak more Manchester details hours after UK rebuke Christ. At this point can you seriously justify sharing information with the Yanks? I mean if they are leaking poo poo that's going to hamper the investigation because they hate their Commander-In-Chief back across the pond, that's pretty hosed. But then I suppose everything related to the security services is hosed to varying degrees.
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May 24, 2017 19:52
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forkboy84 posted:Christ. At this point can you seriously justify sharing information with the Yanks? I mean if they are leaking poo poo that's going to hamper the investigation because they hate their Commander-In-Chief back across the pond, that's pretty hosed. But then I suppose everything related to the security services is hosed to varying degrees. Well the Commander in Chief keeps leaking important intelligence himself and has kind of pissed off... what was it, Israel? By compromising one of their sources in doing so. It seems it's just the standard at this point from top to bottom.
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May 24, 2017 20:04
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Regarde Aduck posted:The worst ones were actual Trump supporting GBS posters who were posting here for lols. I've no doubt one of them said "lol i bet UKMT, who are all muslim converts, are saying this is a good thing. Lets get them boys!" or words to that effect. More racism and weird compound insults. Hence the people going off half cocked about politics they know nothing about and claiming we want to gulag everyone and love East Germany. 'member when an UKMT regular suggested that the video of a nail being pulled out of a girl's foot wasn't evidence(along with all the rest) of a terrorist bombing because it was possible someone had just stepped on a nail that had been lying around? Or when somebody unironically suggested that this was a false flag by British intelligence to stop are Jezza? Just to be clear, are there any 'balloon popping truthers' left or has the thread come to a consensus?
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May 24, 2017 20:09
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The Insect Court posted:'member when an UKMT regular suggested that the video of a nail being pulled out of a girl's foot wasn't evidence(along with all the rest) of a terrorist bombing because it was possible someone had just stepped on a nail that had been lying around? The Insect Court posted:Or when somebody unironically suggested that this was a false flag by British intelligence to stop are Jezza?
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May 24, 2017 20:10
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The Insect Court posted:'member when an UKMT regular suggested that the video of a nail being pulled out of a girl's foot wasn't evidence(along with all the rest) of a terrorist bombing because it was possible someone had just stepped on a nail that had been lying around? Remember that time you apologised for genocide? gently caress off already.
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May 24, 2017 20:10
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Namtab posted:"Man I sure hope the internet left wing thread doesn't use the nasty word" Teacher starve your child, P.C. approved As long as the right words are used Systemised atrocity ignored As long as bi-lingual signs on view
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May 24, 2017 20:13
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It might be an extremist view, but heck I'll share it, I think blowing up children is an act that isn't defensible regardless of what your Al Qaida connected father tells you.
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May 24, 2017 20:16
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The Insect Court posted:'member when an UKMT regular suggested that the video of a nail being pulled out of a girl's foot wasn't evidence(along with all the rest) of a terrorist bombing because it was possible someone had just stepped on a nail that had been lying around? Remember that time you said you have a big butt and your butt smells and you like to smell your own butt?
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May 24, 2017 20:18
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The Insect Court posted:the thread come to a consensus? yeah, you should gently caress off and follow your leader just don't murder a dog first
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May 24, 2017 20:19
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I'm setting lots of people connecting budget cuts to soldiers on the street, so that's something vaguely positive I guess.
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