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Amy Pole Her posted:You're delusional if you think Dak could carry this team without a run game It's amazing--the Dallas offensive line is always simultaneously so great that anyone could succeed behind it and so inept that losing Dak or Zeke would render the entire team garbage. Losing Zeke wouldn't leave Dallas "without a run game." It would just leave Dallas with "an OK run game" that would be successful behind the superior line and elevated by having a mobile QB that can throw the ball downfield. McFadden had a 1k-yard season on an offense where Brandon Weeden and the wheel of clowns we put in at QB never threw the ball more than 5 yards downfield. Dak creates a downfield threat *and* an additional rushing threat that teams have to account for, and that helps Zeke a lot more than Zeke's ability to get second-level yards helps Dak.
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I watched the McFadden/Randle platoon during the post-Murray year It wasn't good
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I watched the McFadden/Randle platoon during the post-Murray year No. No it was not. But no running back can save you when the best-case scenario for the passing game is a 5-yard pass to Beasley on 3rd-and-13 e: Also Randle didn't play much of a part in the platoon TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 03:00 on May 21, 2017 |
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I've got a friend who's in Haiti on a mission trip for the week and she just texted me pictures that Carson Wentz and Jordan Matthews are over there doing the same stuff she is, in a different group at a table like 15 ft away. I'm trying to barter with her, telling her I'll take her to the most expensive restaurant in the state for a video message from them. But, anyways, all I'm saying is that I bet Dak & Zeke are probably sitting around eating cheetos.
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May 21, 2017 03:41
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TheChirurgeon posted:It's amazing--the Dallas offensive line is always simultaneously so great that anyone could succeed behind it and so inept that losing Dak or Zeke would render the entire team garbage. There aren't many teams that can succeed with a backup QB. It's kind of ironic that Dallas had chance of being a team that could survive a QB injury if they had been able to retain Romo as a backup, and now they have a bunch of dudes nobody has ever heard of that are probably a downgrade from Mark Sanchez.
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May 21, 2017 03:55
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89 posted:I've got a friend who's in Haiti on a mission trip for the week and she just texted me pictures that Carson Wentz and Jordan Matthews are over there doing the same stuff she is, in a different group at a table like 15 ft away. I'm trying to barter with her, telling her I'll take her to the most expensive restaurant in the state for a video message from them. That's awesome.
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May 21, 2017 03:58
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I watched the McFadden/Randle platoon during the post-Murray year That was a season without a quarterback. Its hard to run against 8 in the box every down because brandon weeden isn't unleashing the dragon anytime soon.
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May 21, 2017 04:09
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Mr. Nice! posted:That was a season without a quarterback. Its hard to run against 8 in the box every down because brandon weeden isn't unleashing the dragon anytime soon. I went to PFR to remember the QB's they started that year: code:So yeah, the 2015 Cowboys were hosed on offense in a lot of ways. In 2017, if they lost Zeke or Dak, not both at once, but most of the other pieces on offense remained intact, they ought to be able to adjust and cope with it reasonably well. But losing both of them, or one of them and a key receiving option like Dez or Witten, and things would probably fall apart, but the same could be said for most teams in similar situations. fartknocker fucked around with this message at 04:53 on May 21, 2017 |
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Mr. Nice! posted:That was a season without a quarterback. Its hard to run against 8 in the box every down because brandon weeden isn't unleashing the dragon anytime soon. By the stats post, Weed Man was probably the best QB that year  The point I was trying to make however, is that as good as the Cowboys OL is, the RB"s need to have some talent at least
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:By the stats post, Weed Man was probably the best QB that year McFadden still had a surprisingly respectable season despite being the team's only real RB, playing in only 10 games, and rushing against stacked boxes--he ended up rushing for over 1k yards (4th in the nfl that year) and 4.6 ypc. My point is that losing Zeke would hurt, but probably to the tune of costing us 1-2 games; losing Dak would torpedo the season to the tune of a 4-12 finish.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Is it too soon to crown the eagles offseason champs? I seem to recall this happening every offseason so I just wanna get it out of the way so we can all enjoy their inevitable collapse after a briefly promising start. I remember when people used to say this about the Redskins. And then every year hilarity ensued. Now no one even bothers. I'm not sure which is worse. 
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TheChirurgeon posted:McFadden still had a surprisingly respectable season despite being the team's only real RB, playing in only 10 games, and rushing against stacked boxes--he ended up rushing for over 1k yards (4th in the nfl that year) and 4.6 ypc. I think the biggest issue is the type of runner McFadden is as he really doesn't "fit" what the Cowboys like to do. He's an excellent Man/Gap runner but that's only a change up to what we like to do which is inside zone, outside zone, and more inside zone. quote:Bob Sturm's run game analysis: As Cowboys test RBs who fit scheme, what becomes of Darren McFadden?
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Whoever changed my avatar, it's brilliant.
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TheChirurgeon posted:It's amazing--the Dallas offensive line is always simultaneously so great that anyone could succeed behind it and so inept that losing Dak or Zeke would render the entire team garbage. As a different question then, instead of Zeke going down with an injury what if 3+ starting linemen miss over 50% of the season?
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axeil posted:As a different question then, instead of Zeke going down with an injury what if 3+ starting linemen miss over 50% of the season? 
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TheChirurgeon posted:It wouldn't be great, but Dallas could recover. Losing Dak would be a much, much bigger deal. The team doesn't need a dominant run game nearly as much as it needs the ability to pass downfield. The offensive line helps Zeke and the run game more than it helps Prescott. 100% that Romo would unretire if this happened.
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axeil posted:As a different question then, instead of Zeke going down with an injury what if 3+ starting linemen miss over 50% of the season? then we'd find out pretty quick whether Dak is actually the second coming of Russell Wilson, I guess Not sure there's a team in the NFL that could just stand to lose 3 starting offensive linemen for a season without taking a significant hit, even if their line wasn't as good as Dallas'
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OTA's and all (IT'S ALL WE GOT NOW GUYS) Philly d-line is man handling the o-line. And Cox isn't even there yet. Jernigan is particularly standing out. Vinny Curry is stepping up. Carson is looking accurate. And Rasul Douglas shut down Torrey Smith (which could be a good or bad thing). Nelson Agholor looks particularly motivated and is catching everything thrown to him  DGB is looking like a dumb rear end. And that's your 89 Eagles OTA Day 1 recap
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89 posted:OTA's and all (IT'S ALL WE GOT NOW GUYS) Don't worry man they'll all look like poo poo in 3 months (which could be a good or bad thing)
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89 posted:DGB is looking like a dumb rear end. https://twitter.com/JohnBarchard/status/867042810771509248 https://twitter.com/BrandonGowton/status/867049346130468865 First off  , and secondly I like this new coach already
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May 24, 2017 02:42
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Carson Wentz is the best player in the NFC East.
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I had a dream about football a couple nights ago. I dreamed the Cowboys were beating the Eagles 59-0, and I just want to apologize to everyone. It might just be one of the lamest dreams I've ever had, even if a score like that would make my day. Can the season be here now?
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Shinjobi posted:I dreamed the Cowboys were beating the Eagles 59-0 don't spoil the 2017 season for me
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incompetent posted:don't spoil the 2017 season for me Spoiler: Zeke gets popped for weed.
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It's more plausible than a 59-0 win.
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TheChirurgeon posted:mods please rename thread to "NFC East: Eagles Fanfiction Zone" tia My favorite part has been reading sincere excitement for the 2017 vintage of Torrey Smith, although to be fair he is legitimately an upgrade over the schmucks from last year. A noticeably worse version of Ted Ginn jr: savior troofs fucked around with this message at 17:58 on May 24, 2017 |
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But I recognize his name. That means he must be good!
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troofs posted:My favorite part has been reading sincere excitement for the 2017 vintage of Torrey Smith, although to be fair he is legitimately an upgrade over the schmucks from last year. You must have missed the Alshon Jeffrey signing. (The Eagles signed Alshon Jeffery) Torrey Smith essentially got a series of 3 one year deals. The Eagles can cut him at any time with little to no dead money hit ($500,000 in 2017, $0 in 2018 or 2019). He's a stopgap #2 receiver and in that respect it was a good signing and merits some excitement because it was a significant upgrade at a position of need with no long term commitment if it doesn't work out or the rookies drafted this year perform well enough to make him unnecessary.
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troofs posted:My favorite part has been reading sincere excitement for the 2017 vintage of Torrey Smith, although to be fair he is legitimately an upgrade over the schmucks from last year. We Eagles fans have been in a bad place since Chip Kelly was a fuckstick with Maclin and let him leave for KC. Rock bottom was probably when our #3 WR got busted for being an idiot and we had to somehow talk ourselves into it being a good thing because he sucked anyway.
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Especially when we have the best offense going into this year on paper since 2013 Vick/Shady/DeSean/Maclin (yeah he got injured that year). Wentz/Blount/Alshon/Matthews/Torrey/Ertz/Sproles DOESNT SOUND BAD
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quote:I've seen a popular notion among the fan base that the Eagles have a top 10-type of offense. Some believe it's top five. Eagles' offense is improved, but still far from great quote:To be clear, that's not to say the Eagles don't have good players on offense. They do. seems legit.
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Would you take the Eagles offense or the Giants offense this year?
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Would you take the Eagles offense or the Giants offense this year? Giants. Eagles offense should be pretty good but Beckham and Marshall are both better than Jeffery imo, Randle is also really good, and Eli has proven himself more than capable of delivering the ball even if he is careless. It's nice to know there's a decent chance I'm wrong, though. Blount really adds a lot to the team.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:The Giants OL is ... not good IIRC I'm p.sure I remember Iodised pointing out that they were #2 in Football Outsiders OL stats.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Would you take the Eagles offense or the Giants offense this year? I would take the Eagles offense because Beckham is an idiot and I wouldn't want to look at Manning Face all season long. You can make the argument that the Giants defense is better, but while the Giants attempt squeeze the last bit of life out of Eli Manning's career in what is essentially a farewell tour, the Eagles have 2nd year QB who looks to have the raw talent that could make him a top 5 QB. You're basically choosing between "thanks for the memories" and "welcome to the future." I'll opt for the future.
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NotWearingPants posted:I'm p.sure I remember Iodised pointing out that they were #2 in Football Outsiders OL stats. FO has its problems but Iodised was wrong in his criticism. Football Outsiders ranked them #2 in sack rate, which even if you take out their weeabo adjustments isn't wildly different from just looking at the actual sack rate--sacks/pass attempts. The problem is that just looking at sacks isn't actually a good way to gauge an offensive line's ability*--Most sacks are the QB's fault and Eli is pretty good at avoiding a sack. His decision-making suffers when he's under pressure, but not much more so than most other good QBs--he was just more mistake-prone when he wasn't under pressure.  *you probably want to look at "short sacks" (fewer than 2 seconds to hit) or "pressures allowed" instead to get a more reliable metric. You'd also probably want to do some weighting based on the opponents, but when you start doing that people lose their poo poo because they don't understand basic math e: Also, I'd take the Giants' offense. ODB is a top-5 receiver and Eli's a pretty good QB TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 21:56 on May 24, 2017 |
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TheChirurgeon posted:mods please rename thread to "NFC East: Eagles Fanfiction Zone" tia
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