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Yuzenn posted:TBH if they banned polymorph and reweave, the problem with Baral is you can just timer someone soooo easily. I've probably won more games that way then I have whipping out Emrakul. He's a 2 mana engine that allows some serious card advantage on the SUPER cheap. Nevinyrrals Disk or Oblivion Stone + Academy Ruins with a resolved Jace = stall forever Yeah, I really think they need to go to 20 life. 30 is too much to ever get under these decks. Getting rid of Polymorph at least stops turn 2 Baral, counter your removal spell, loot away Emrakul if I need to, turn 3 Polymorph lol. Like the deck I've been playing with goes into the long game pretty well against Baral but suddenly Emrakul. And since they always have a hand full of counters it's not like you can stop it. Changing to best of 3 instead of just 1 game would also help with that kind of thing. Jace seems a lot less oppressive than Baral. Only looting once or twice is a huge change over essentially looting every time you cast a spell. Tasigur probably needs to go too. You can just always cast him for 1. Interestingly enough I think banning Strip Mine outright kills any non-blue deck in the current format. Also I just realized they left all the tutors in.  C-Euro posted:Yeah DTT is a sweet card that was unfortunately printed with a really broken mechanic that makes it banworthy. Affinity got like 10 cards banned or something. Storm is like 7/8? I'm guessing Twister effects wouldn't need to be banned in legacy if storm didn't exist. suicidesteve fucked around with this message at 20:39 on May 24, 2017 |
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C-Euro posted:What mechanic has gotten the most cards banned, either directly (cards with that mechanic printed on them) or indirectly? It's gotta be Storm right? Ante.
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May 24, 2017 20:24
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I think free spells probably trump both of those
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May 24, 2017 20:25
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Manual dexterity, the true nemesis of magic players everywhere.
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May 24, 2017 20:37
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Marketing New Brain posted:Manual dexterity, the true nemesis of magic players everywhere. Rip top
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May 24, 2017 20:38
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You're conflating mechanics. Ante was the rule where you bet cards on the outcome of a game. And there were like nine cards total that cared about it.
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May 24, 2017 20:38
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Oh jeez how did I forget Affinity. Wizards please stop trying to print cost-reduction mechanics, or at playtest them way more first.
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May 24, 2017 20:40
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They did entirely fine with Improvise, didn't they?
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May 24, 2017 20:41
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Siivola posted:They did entirely fine with Improvise, didn't they? That's a mechanic?
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May 24, 2017 20:44
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Can't you play telemin performance or bribery or something? Too slow?
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May 24, 2017 20:45
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Convoke didn't seem too broken either
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May 24, 2017 20:46
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Can't you play telemin performance or bribery or something? Too slow? I haven't played the format, but Baral decks play like 40 counters.
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May 24, 2017 20:48
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AceClown posted:Convoke didn't seem too broken either You still have to tap something in order to use convoke. Just pretend your creatures are extra lands when you pay a mana cost with convoke.
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Siivola posted:You're conflating mechanics. Ante was the rule where you bet cards on the outcome of a game. And there were like nine cards total that cared about it. I know what ante is, I was naming another old dead mechanic. It's a Chaos Orb joke.
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May 24, 2017 20:57
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Can't you play telemin performance or bribery or something? Too slow? By about 5 turns, yeah. You need a Boseiju or Cavern + Teferi or something to go with it and then why aren't you just going infinite somehow? Which reminds me: Does any one creature in RUG colors go infinite with Saheeli?
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May 24, 2017 20:58
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suicidesteve posted:Does any one creature in RUG colors go infinite with Saheeli?
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Zemyla posted:A lot of the creatures you get seem to stop a lot of the combo kills you could do. But just use the ability Titan of Eternal Fire grants, since all the Humans you control have haste, and you certainly have more than 20 of them. Your own burning tree shaman would kill you without first activating abilities that gain you a lot of life. Tree of redemption I guess ??
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Molybdenum posted:Your own burning tree shaman would kill you without first activating abilities that gain you a lot of life. Tree of redemption I guess ?? you have multiple creatures that can sac shaman for free
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May 24, 2017 21:06
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Siivola posted:Uhh. Play Clever Impersonator without having it copy anything, clone it with Saheeli and turn the clone into Saheeli? I can't tell if this is a troll post or not so I'll go with yes it is.
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May 24, 2017 21:12
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Remembering rules like "0 toughness creatures die" is hard okay.
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May 24, 2017 21:14
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Siivola posted:Remembering rules like "0 toughness creatures die" is hard okay. uuuuhhh there's a gaea's anthem in play, or: a wizard did it
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May 24, 2017 21:28
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Siivola posted:Remembering rules like "0 toughness creatures die" is hard okay. Even if there's an anthem or something that doesn't actually do anything. It just makes a bunch of Saheelis that all die.
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May 24, 2017 21:33
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mandatory lesbian posted:you have multiple creatures that can sac shaman for free you also have angel of jubilation though
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May 24, 2017 21:35
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Okay yeah that part was a troll answer.
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May 24, 2017 21:36
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Bonus posted:you also have angel of jubilation though you can tap something to destroy angel, i'm guessing you'd use avatar of woe
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mandatory lesbian posted:you can tap something to destroy angel, i'm guessing you'd use avatar of woe You have an avacyn
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May 24, 2017 21:41
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Mangara the angel, I don't think anything gives all of your stuff shroud.
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Shauku Endbringer is a much more stylish answer to the Angel imo. And you don't even lose life! Or Drana like I said above.
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Surly Duff posted:Mangara the angel, I don't think anything gives all of your stuff shroud. Kira, and if like the comments of the article were talking about you activate mirror entity there are several elves, snakes, and crystalline sliver to deal with as well.
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May 24, 2017 21:48
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Easy answer: Mirror Entity for -5 and let Zulaport Cutthroat et al do the work.
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C-Euro posted:Yeah DTT is a sweet card that was unfortunately printed with a really broken mechanic that makes it banworthy. Conspiracy, I'd assume, but I'm guessing that's not really what you mean.
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suicidesteve posted:Easy answer: Mirror Entity for -5 and let Zulaport Cutthroat et al do the work. you can't spend negative mana on mirror entity. And even if you did, all your creatures get like +15/+15 from every lord suddenly counting. e: also this: 
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May 24, 2017 22:21
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 + should be the win
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Elyv posted:I haven't played the format, but Baral decks play like 40 counters. I play the deck and yes 5-mana sorceries are food for me to guzzle down in my lust to dig for polymorphs. You're thinking Extract, if you're lucky and can sneak it in.
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How many creatures have some form of other creatures can't attack? (not that it really matters in this exercise, since there's probably a 100 ways to kill someone without attacking). Like Dormant Sliver gives all slivers defender which plays hell with Mirror Entity, while Akron Legionairre, Evil Eye of Orms-by-Gore and Magus of the Moat and probably a bunch of others gently caress with going wide unless you mirror entity.
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Bugsy posted:Kira, and if like the comments of the article were talking about you activate mirror entity there are several elves, snakes, and crystalline sliver to deal with as well. Kira doesn't give shroud she just counters one ability.
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is there a creature with Cursed Totem's text on it?
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A big flaming stink posted:is there a creature with Cursed Totem's text on it?  Closest you're gonna get.
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Kalli posted:How many creatures have some form of other creatures can't attack? (not that it really matters in this exercise, since there's probably a 100 ways to kill someone without attacking). Please don't mention Evil Eye of Orms-by-gore I just had a vicious Momir flashback
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