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The Guardian posted:Theresa May was repeatedly told that cuts to community policing could harm Greater Manchester police’s ability to combat crimes such as terrorism, according to the force’s former police commissioner. This is pretty loving damning. It's a shame anyone actually pressing it would be destroyed in the press for 'politicising' the attack, to the point where even the Guardian has to keep it as a footnote on the live blog.
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GaussianCopula posted:Have the increased security forces presence in the aftermath of an attack ever stopped an attack? Its to make people feel like the Government are doing something
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Namtab posted:Going? Not even for Piers Morgan or Nick Griffin? Intrinsic Field Marshal fucked around with this message at 20:31 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 20:29
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Not even for Piers Morgan or Nick Griffin? Why reach for a word that doesn't fit when oval office is so succinct and descriptive?
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May 24, 2017 20:35
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Namtab posted:Ah, but who does the voting? My vote for Tony Blair didn't cause an otherwise normal person to suicide bomb the fans (and parents of fans) of American pop sensation Ariana Grande. At some point in that chain of events between the two is something sick, deranged and flat out unacceptable to a normal human being.
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May 24, 2017 20:40
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Total Meatlove posted:Why reach for a word that doesn't fit when oval office is so succinct and descriptive? We used to not do gendered insults here either. Better times.
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May 24, 2017 20:41
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It isn't really a gendered insult in the UK imo, rude thought it is.
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May 24, 2017 20:43
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Do it ironically posted:It might be an extremist view, but heck I'll share it, I think blowing up children is an act that isn't defensible regardless of what your Al Qaida connected father tells you. We could make a cool jingle out of this: Un-der-staaaanding the cauuuses of things/does not mean you approoooove~
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May 24, 2017 20:44
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sassassin posted:My vote for Tony Blair didn't cause an otherwise normal person to suicide bomb the fans (and parents of fans) of American pop sensation Ariana Grande. You not being able to understand what might motivate a suicide bomber doesn't make them some sort of living embodiment of chaos theory.
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May 24, 2017 20:46
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Total Meatlove posted:Why reach for a word that doesn't fit when oval office is so succinct and descriptive? Lacking the warmth and depth, yadda yadda yadda. sassassin posted:My vote for Tony Blair didn't cause an otherwise normal person to suicide bomb the fans (and parents of fans) of American pop sensation Ariana Grande. And yet it happened and a key point that ISIS recruiters and the like use is European and USAs invasions of other countries, subjecting their children to bombings and shootings and all manner of terrible experiences, while the West just keep on living their lives. The Iraq war was on false pretenses and hurt potentially millions of innocents for no good reason. Taking those facts and using it to justify more civilian casualties is atrocious but effective so unless you want to justify why we invaded and continue to support repressive regimes in the region I think you'll have to agree that changing our political and social culture to view that as a bad thing that we should never do again would help them and us immensely.
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May 24, 2017 20:46
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namesake posted:Lacking the warmth and depth, yadda yadda yadda. Yeah but Saddam had sarin gas and smallpox didn't he? edit: the above post is sarcasm i have to make this clear
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May 24, 2017 20:48
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sebzilla posted:We used to not do gendered insults here either. No, gently caress off with this. We're not American, oval office is not a gendered insult, it's not an insult because it's also a slang term for vagina. It's entirely about the way sounds. About the way you can spit it out, it's word that conveys genuine venom. Besides, my mam told me it's not a gendered insult & she'd skelp me if I was being even vaguely sexist so gently caress off, I'm still calling cunts cunts.
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May 24, 2017 20:49
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Mentalists are always going to find excuses to blow something up. Our foreign policy is not to blame for Tony Blair.
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May 24, 2017 20:49
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sassassin posted:My vote for Tony Blair didn't cause an otherwise normal person to suicide bomb the fans (and parents of fans) of American pop sensation Ariana Grande. Yes, he's called Tony Blair.
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May 24, 2017 20:50
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sassassin posted:My vote for Tony Blair didn't cause an otherwise normal person to suicide bomb the fans (and parents of fans) of American pop sensation Ariana Grande. I'm presuming by "normal human being" you mean "modern briton who has never been to an actual, literal war zone, where friends and family have personally experienced being shelled"? I mean, go back to WW2, where more than a few downed plane pilots met mysterious accidents some time between landing in the territory they'd just been bombing (or supporting the bombing of) and being put in a prison camp.
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May 24, 2017 20:50
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The Insect Court posted:'member when an UKMT regular suggested that the video of a nail being pulled out of a girl's foot wasn't evidence(along with all the rest) of a terrorist bombing because it was possible someone had just stepped on a nail that had been lying around? That was one guy. Who said sorry about a minute later. So yes I do remember. And I don't think people not wanting it to be a terrorist attack is particularly damning.
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May 24, 2017 20:50
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forkboy84 posted:No, gently caress off with this. We're not American, oval office is not a gendered insult, it's not an insult because it's also a slang term for vagina. It's entirely about the way sounds. About the way you can spit it out, it's word that conveys genuine venom. Besides, my mam told me it's not a gendered insult & she'd skelp me if I was being even vaguely sexist so gently caress off, I'm still calling cunts cunts. oval office is an insult with a real guttural sound behind it like gently caress
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sassassin posted:Mentalists are always going to find excuses to blow something up. I think you got the second bit backward? 
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May 24, 2017 20:51
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I hate that people are politicising our wars.
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May 24, 2017 20:52
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forkboy84 posted:I'm still calling cunts cunts. What a cuntish thing to say
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May 24, 2017 20:52
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sassassin posted:Mentalists are always going to find excuses to blow something up. Guess we'd better get all the police and army off the streets then because apparently it's foolish to try and prevent these things? Sure the reasoning and logic behind such ideologies is twisting the facts at best and often relates more to cultural alienation and reaction to their personal oppression but hey it'd be a really good idea to solve those problems as well! In the meantime, let's not give them such facts to twist!
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May 24, 2017 20:55
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sassassin posted:Mentalists are always going to find excuses to blow something up. This 'turn brain off, bury head in sand' attitude isn't helpful. It's vital to try and understand the motivations of those driven to violence or to support extremist groups in order to develop effective policy. Not everyone involved in ISIS and similar groups has mental issues and it's unproductive to assume they do and to assume that those issues are the sole and entire reason they carry out acts of violence.
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May 24, 2017 20:58
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sassassin posted:Mentalists are always going to find excuses to blow something up. Compare how many Islamist attacks there were before the Iraq war and how many there have been since. "Mentalists", as you call them, weren't walking into concert halls wearing nail-and-explosive jackets beforehand.
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May 24, 2017 21:00
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Lobster God posted:This 'turn brain off, bury head in sand' attitude isn't helpful. It seems pretty unreliable to assume that mental health is all that's caused things, either. There've been depressed people for thousands of years, and many of them angry, and they weren't generally blowing up buses. You don't have the infrastructure for terrorism without the global issues western foreign policy has caused.
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May 24, 2017 21:02
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Regarde Aduck posted:That was one guy. Who said sorry about a minute later. So yes I do remember. And I don't think people not wanting it to be a terrorist attack is particularly damning. It was multiple people, and it was really weird. Also the immediate jump to "..but this will be bad for Jeremy's campaign!" was pretty distasteful.
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May 24, 2017 21:02
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sassassin posted:Mentalists are always going to find excuses to blow something up. Pretty sure dismissing every suicide bomber as a mentalist is a completely worthless contribution. TheRat posted:What a cuntish thing to say Thank you.
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May 24, 2017 21:03
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What are terrorists? We just don't know.
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knox_harrington posted:It was multiple people, and it was really weird. Also the immediate jump to "..but this will be bad for Jeremy's campaign!" was pretty distasteful. It's going to be bad for progressive politics in general, nobody's concerned Jeremy's going to get his feelings hurt. We're concerned that this is going to lead to people lynching muslims or support for state deportation programs or something, because politics actually matters and isn't a dumb team sport where one side wins one summer then nothing important happens to it for the next four years.
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sassassin posted:Mentalists are always going to find excuses to blow something up. Yeah no this is just nonsense
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knox_harrington posted:It was multiple people, and it was really weird. Also the immediate jump to "..but this will be bad for Jeremy's campaign!" was pretty distasteful. Eh, I was away from the board that evening but we didn't actually know people were dead immediately. And while you're not wrong that there's something very cynical about "this is bad for the election", we're a bunch of broken pricks who pay far too much attention to politics so of course it's a thought that comes to mind. It's not a pleasant initial reaction but I can see it being a natural one. It's not an argument I'd personally make, but there is truth that 5 more years of Tory government are a likely outcome of an attack like this because Labour are seen as weak on crime, on terror and such like, and 5 more years of Tory government will lead to a lot more than just the 22 tragic deaths that occurred on Monday because of their cuts to social services, benefits, the health service, pensions & so forth. And some people here had actually started believing Labour could have won. I mean, how much time can pass from a bad event before you can start talking about the very real political consequences? Because it was always going to go that way eventually, what's the time limit? Like it or not, this poo poo does have an impact on elections, and the election we're holding in a couple of weeks will have lasting consequences for most of the people who post in this thread. So of course people will turn to think about those consequences. How it will impact the election, how it will impact The thread the next morning didn't make for good reading even before the "ironic" racist gobshites from GBS floated over & wanked all over it with /pol level bigotry, but what happens when you chat about on going events in an irreverent manner when you don't yet no just how horrifically bad it was. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 21:14 on May 24, 2017 |
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I can't believe people who think that aggressive western foreign policy might be responsible for terror attacks against innocent civilians are concerned that a terror attack might embolden support for aggressive western foreign policy that might be responsible for terror attacks against innocent civilians.
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May 24, 2017 21:09
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sassassin posted:My vote for Tony Blair didn't cause an otherwise normal person to suicide bomb How many Islamic terror attacks did Britain suffer prior to Blair taking office?
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forkboy84 posted:Eh, I was away from the board that evening but we didn't actually know people were dead immediately. And while you're not wrong that there's something very cynical about "this is bad for the election", we're a bunch of broken pricks who pay far too much attention to politics so of course it's a thought that comes to mind. It's not a pleasant initial reaction but I can see it being a natural one. Two days: quote:“The British people are united in their resolve that terror will not prevail. It will not prevent us going about our daily lives or derail our democratic process. Resuming democratic debate and campaigning is an essential mark of the country’s determination to defend our democracy and the unity that the terrorists have sought to attack".
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Honestly while I understand and appreciate the intent of a desire to not politicise attacks, it's basically impossible because violence is inherently political. The important thing is to be looking after victims and people affected, which, while these days is a pretty big net given how everyone gets to see blood spatter within seconds of it happening, I generally assume doesn't include people who've showed up to a political thread to weigh in to the subject.
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sassassin posted:Mentalists are always going to find excuses to blow something up. There is no inherent difference between you and a radicalised person. The evidence does not agree, at all, that people who commit acts of violence are any more likely to have mental illnesses or personality disorders than the general pop. The mentally ill are less likely.
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namesake posted:
This kind of stuff is why 'foreign policy causes terrorism' is simultaneously true, and also weasel-worded bullshit. foreign policy is a meaninglessly large category. Even focusing on Libya, which seems to be this guys issue, it still says zero. It may well be that Blair's foreign policy of supporting Gadaffis repressive regime that trigger d him. Or it may be Cameron's of invading, or May's of doing little or nothing, Putin's of bombing the gently caress out of everyone, or whatever Trump is up to this week. Or maybe it was something done in the 1930s, or the 19c. Foreign policy causes terrorism, yes. But there really isn't a foreign policy that doesn't.
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radmonger posted:This kind of stuff is why 'foreign policy causes terrorism' is simultaneously true, and also weasel-worded bullshit. lol jog on you loving idiot
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Domestic policy causes terrorism. There's a reason that almost all terrorists are either native converts or second generation immigrants.
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knox_harrington posted:It was multiple people, and it was really weird. Also the immediate jump to "..but this will be bad for Jeremy's campaign!" was pretty distasteful. No it was one person. Jabby. He said sorry. As for the election, what you say is distasteful I think is honesty. 22 people I don't know died. It's bad but are you still upset? I know I'm not. There's basic empathy and then there's melodrama. On the other hand this may have a real impact on the election. Which could mean 5 years of Tory rule. 5 more years of cuts, the return of fox hunting, lax environmental regulation, the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer - this time with direct attacks on the middle class because I guess they were hoarding too much wealth that belongs to the top 0.01%. 5 years of a government that may very well make many people's lives borderline unlivable is not unimportant. If you want to put it in perspective using deaths, consider how many people might have committed suicide these next 5 years because of decisions made by a Tory government. If it goes over 22 does it become suddenly relevant?
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