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Frionnel posted:Either we give them rights or bring them to Islam, this status quo promoted by the merchants will lead us to disaster. Hmm, you're right. This has to end somewhere, and fast!  I, Lutfi al-Uthman of the New Taifas, hereby propose that in order to stave off any further rebellion we are to acknowledge and formalise the Dhimmi's rights before the Sultan, as well as the rights of any Qarbiyan Dhimmi that may arise due to the Merchants' efforts in the west. The rights of worship and language of all Dhimmi are to be protected in return for loyalty and a standard Jizya tax. Let Humanism become the future for Al-Andalus!
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 I, al-Paragonia of the Merchants, propose that we extend rights to the other peoples of Iberia by accepting their cultures. Surely some common ground (and profit) can be found? Rebellions are expensive.
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What's our tech looking like? How do we compare?
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Luhood posted:Hmm, you're right. This has to end somewhere, and fast! Supporting this
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May 24, 2017 22:26
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Luhood posted:Hmm, you're right. This has to end somewhere, and fast! 
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May 24, 2017 22:28
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paragon1 posted:
I support this. Peace is good for business.
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May 24, 2017 22:29
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We don't have any accepted culture slots left to accept them with, iirc.
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catlord posted:What's our tech looking like? How do we compare? Better. Our mil and admin tech is pretty much on par with everyone else, but the Merchants' recent focus on exploration and colonisation means our dip tech is laughable. 
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Soup du Jour posted:
 I, Ralepozozaxe, The Dalai Ullama, support this edict. Great minds think alike. If we can't convert em', comfort em'!
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Crazycryodude posted:We don't have any accepted culture slots left to accept them with, iirc. We do:  Probably should've included this in the update.
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May 24, 2017 22:37
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 I Slaan al-Andalusi move that we improve our Diplomatic tech up to par with the majority of nearby powers. We cannot convert souls to the True Faith unless we are able to speak to them. We cannot do this without learning the newest methods of speech and writing or having access to the people of foreign nations
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Hashim posted:Better. Our mil and admin tech is pretty much on par with everyone else, but the Merchants' recent focus on exploration and colonisation means our dip tech is laughable. Holy crap that's bad Hashim posted:We do: By the way people, the greyed out button next to leonese and catalan means we can't accept them Frionnel fucked around with this message at 22:49 on May 24, 2017 |
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Luhood posted:Hmm, you're right. This has to end somewhere, and fast! Given that without an Ulema mandate bringing the light of Allah to our new subjects is currently not possible, I will support this proposal. Edit; Actually nah, that's not very Taifa-y at all. Grizzwold fucked around with this message at 03:09 on May 25, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 23:07
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I, Snipee of the Ulama, propose the Preservation of Islam Act prohibiting the acceptance of any Christian cultures within our borders . We must prepare to convert the Christians as soon as possible or else they will one day outnumber the faithful Muslims of Iberia and transform our uniquely Islamic country into yet another Christian kingdom. How many wars have we fought against the Christians to maintain our small safe haven for Muslims in Western Europe? How many times have we bled to keep the Crusaders from slaughtering our people? The short-term benefits of tolerating heresy today will be outweighed by the long-term costs of losing our identity and slipping into inevitable moral decline. It is foolish to believe that we can put an end to separatism by allowing for the persistence of alien cultures that will always regard themselves as separate from Al Andalus. If nothing else, this attitude of appeasement towards the Christians betrays a pathetic insecurity in the strength of our own culture! Our ancestors would weep if they knew how far we have fallen to even consider abandoning our religion. Snipee fucked around with this message at 23:15 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 23:08
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paragon1 posted:
I support this proposal.
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May 24, 2017 23:09
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All of the policies submitted so far are perfectly fine, but just so the Ulema know, you'll be able to un-accept cultures once (if) you get into power.
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Just some comments on the gameplay effects of each proposal:Soup du Jour posted:
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Luhood posted:Hmm, you're right. This has to end somewhere, and fast! Hashim: don't know if you want to give it away, but do we have a +tolerance to heathens idea coming up in our national ideas similar to vanilla Granada?
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What, we can't join the Loyalists? Hakam is just about everything I want from a Sultan!
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sheep-dodger posted:Hashim: don't know if you want to give it away, but do we have a +tolerance to heathens idea coming up in our national ideas similar to vanilla Granada? Nope, no tolerance ideas, but I might change one or two depending on how the game progresses. As for the Idea Group, I just pick them based on what faction is in power whenever the tech for it rolls around. For example, if the Taifas are in power next time, then I might pick Defensive or Offensive Ideas, if it's the Ulema then religious, and something related to Trade or Humanism if it's the Merchants. It all really depends on the policies submitted over the past few sessions. hashashash fucked around with this message at 23:32 on May 24, 2017 |
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:What, we can't join the Loyalists? Hakam is just about everything I want from a Sultan! Jizrunid Loyalists will be a new faction when the next Majlis Meeting rolls around, it won't be very related to the Taifas though, they'll advocate for greater powers for the Sultan, no matter what his personality is.
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May 24, 2017 23:26
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Will the Dhimmi ever be their own faction?
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Will the Dhimmi ever be their own faction? Probably not, I figure the Merchants already want tolerance for minorities, and that's all the Dhimmi really are.
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Snipee posted:
Some breathtaking misuse of the word heresy for a member of the Ulema right here. I have no comment on the remaining deluded paranoid ranting.
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Humanism? Is that where we have to bow back to the peasants?  I, Emir Flavius al-Belisarius, who is totally not a Roman, propose that we take ideas and idea groups related to the quality of our soldiers as soon as possible, and support this by hiring a military advisor.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Will the Dhimmi ever be their own faction? They have their own faction already, what do you want like an icon of an Oubliette or something to go with it?
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Flavius Belisarius posted:
I support Emir Amir Al-Notaromanni in his proposal to improve our soldiers as well as his mocking of this "humanist" nonsense
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Policies so far: Luhood posted:I, Lutfi al-Uthman of the New Taifas, hereby propose that in order to stave off any further rebellion we are to acknowledge and formalise the Dhimmi's rights before the Sultan, as well as the rights of any Qarbiyan Dhimmi that may arise due to the Merchants' efforts in the west. The rights of worship and language of all Dhimmi are to be protected in return for loyalty and a standard Jizya tax. Let Humanism become the future for Al-Andalus! Luhood, Frionnel, Crazycryodude, Grizzwold. Flavius Belisarius posted:I, Emir Flavius al-Belisarius, who is totally not a Roman, propose that we take ideas and idea groups related to the quality of our soldiers as soon as possible, and support this by hiring a military advisor. Flavius Belisarius, TildeATH.  Soup du Jour posted:Proposing the Internal Stability Edict, mandating increasing Stability to +3 as soon as possible, and taking decisions to reduce National Unrest whenever available. The current political crisis is worrying, but if we tear each other apart, all of Al-Andalus will be lost to the vultures that surround us. Soup du Jour, Erwin the German, Ralepozozaxe. Chatrapati posted:I, Chatrapati of the Ulema, propose that no more wars of aggression be fought until the next session. Chatrapati. Slaan posted:I Slaan al-Andalusi move that we improve our Diplomatic tech up to par with the majority of nearby powers. We cannot convert souls to the True Faith unless we are able to speak to them. We cannot do this without learning the newest methods of speech and writing or having access to the people of foreign nations Slaan. Snipee posted:I, Snipee of the Ulama, propose the Preservation of Islam Act prohibiting the acceptance of any Christian cultures within our borders . Snipee. paragon1 posted:I, al-Paragonia of the Merchants, propose that we extend rights to the other peoples of Iberia by accepting their cultures. paragon1, Mikl, Talas.
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I propose we charter ships to find a route to Mecca by sea and onward to India! Show those Moroccan fools they have no hope of beating us there.
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Luhood posted:Hmm, you're right. This has to end somewhere, and fast! I, Qaptin al-Blivious, support this motion. The status quo is untenable. We must make the Dhimmi feel genuinely Andalusian. And perhaps our armies will grow stronger for it! Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 00:32 on May 25, 2017 |
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I propose The Trade Optimization and State Revenue Act, which entails that the administration of the provinces of Lixbuna and Isbiliya (Lisbon and Seville) should be handed over to the Burgher estate. This will greatly increase our trade power in the Seville trade node and allow us to collect a larger portion of the money flowing in from the rest of the world.
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Supporting this.
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May 25, 2017 01:07
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If the Ulama stays united, then we can still maintain our Islamic heritage. Please
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Flavius Belisarius posted:
Agreed. Rewarding these rebels and traitors with 'acceptance' will only embolden them.
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:
But enough about Palermo, how will we be treating the Portuguese?
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Hashim posted:Better. Our mil and admin tech is pretty much on par with everyone else, but the Merchants' recent focus on exploration and colonisation means our dip tech is laughable. Hm. We should probably work on increasing our dip tech. It's been a long while (and several expansions) since I last played EU4, what will the immediate benefits of upgrading that be?
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catlord posted:Hm. We should probably work on increasing our dip tech. It's been a long while (and several expansions) since I last played EU4, what will the immediate benefits of upgrading that be? Dip tech primarily deals with increasing trade efficiency, colonisation range and global settlers, and it also unlocks the trade and naval-related buildings, as well as new ship types.
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The highlights from levels 7 to 10 are a big boost to our colonization range at level 7, more settlers per year at level 10, and better ship types for every category (Heavy, light, galley and transport) at 9 and 10. Edit: level 8 also allows us to have an additional accepted culture, i figure the merchants will like this too. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 01:54 on May 25, 2017 |
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Hashim posted:Dip tech primarily deals with increasing trade efficiency, colonisation range and global settlers, and it also unlocks the trade and naval-related buildings, as well as new ship types. Frionnel posted:The higlights from levels 7 to 10 are a big boost to our colonization range at level 7, more settlers per year at level 10, and better ship types for every category (Heavy, light, galley and transport) at 9 and 10. Thanks. Those sound useful, but also more of a Merchants thing, so I'm going to have to toss my support here: Flavius Belisarius posted:
Better troops means safer trade centres (but it probably wouldn't hurt to accept the Portuguese or something too)
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Flavius Belisarius posted:
I don't know how you want the first part of this to work when Hashim already said he picks idea groups based on what faction is in power, and it's not the Taifas. The second part alone is really tame to be our single motion.
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