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Forever_Peace posted:Also this came out and it sucks (describing a new ensemble model of reef bleaching events that came out in Nature Climate Change on Monday). Vox did a nice video about the bleaching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO44JlAElXM (the news is not nice, but the video is nice)
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BattleMoose posted:One paper I read freaked me out so much I had to just stop, and take a nap. I am not sure what you are expecting but there is some seriously depressing stuff in the peer reviewed literature. My dad is getting a PhD in climate change. He goes to multiple conferences. I never see him discuss anything and whenever the topic drifts to potential consequences, he always jokes about it or comes up with some weird excuses. I wonder if he's getting ripped off, if there is something he is not telling us or if he doesn't care because he's over 60 (or maybe he think we can go to some farmland we have. I'd rather die than farm, though) . I am utterly baffled yet I am genuinely afraid of confronting him about this. AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 13:07 on May 24, 2017 |
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I wanna help mitigate against climate change but I also wanna learn the guitar to impress chicks so...
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AceOfFlames posted:My dad is getting a PhD in climate change. He goes to multiple conferences. I never see him discuss anything and whenever the topic drifts to potential consequences, he always jokes about it or comes up with some weird excuses. I wonder if he's getting ripped off, if there is something he is not telling us or if he doesn't care because he's over 60 (or maybe he think we can go to some farmland we have. I'd rather die than farm, though) . I am utterly baffled yet I am genuinely afraid of confronting him about this. Based 100% on your posting history here: Your dad knows that you are are very easily depressed and can't handle that level of information at once without overreacting, talking about Mad Max scenarios and needlessly contemplating suicide. He knows that you and your kin will have among the best possible conditions in the world for tackling this creeping inevitable change and will talk to you more about it when you are out of your current depression. In short, he cares about your well-being and wants you to take your pills.
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Minge Binge posted:These are things I do. Working to build stronger and sustainable communities pretty much consumes all of my free time. Mostly it's just volunteer work, but I'll support local candidates through political activism. But this won't do anything about climate change. It will only create more resilience. So you are right. Your post is meaningless unless you are physically training for violent protesting or are training with firearms, or both. You are not overthrowing society by abstaining from the polls. Voting for the lesser evil elects the lesser evil. Not voting for the lesser evil elects the greater evil. The greater evil is more evil than the lesser evil.
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The only means to societal reset: 1) Violence and war... 1a) ...because it is 2050, we are too late, and climate refugees are fleeing coastal areas, arid regions, and 103F weather they can no longer afford to air condition because many of mah jerbs are automated now. 1b) ...because a significant fraction of the US left starts marching outside escorted lip-service parades and actually gets change to move quickly, probably at great risk of: tipping into fascism, conservative counterrevolution, or failure to persist. 2) Vote progressive as you can, primary fuckos as hard as possible by canvassing (thank you btw for doing this already), and get people in office who care about climate change above all else. We probably still hit an apocalyptic +3 to +5 C, but it isn't +8 C. "Don't vote" has no place in any of that.
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Potato Salad posted:We probably still hit an apocalyptic +3 to +5 C, but it isn't +8 C. What makes you think we have any sort of control like this?
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Zudgemud posted:Based 100% on your posting history here: I'm sorry but you are dead wrong. My dad knows absolutely nothing about my feelings. One time when I was in college I mentioned feeling depressed and both my parents claimed I was making it up so I'd have an excuse to drop out of college. I have never had any sort of discussion about emotions with my dad in my life. In fact we barely speak to each other. Maybe my mom has an inkling since I have had outbursts I'm front of her but never mentioned suicide or mad max scenarios (at most I mentioned disparate articles like the clathrates or ice shelf collapse to my mom until one day she just screamed at me "If things are so bad why don't you kill yourself? Because your pessimism makes ME want to kill myself!". I avoided the subject ever since.)
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We need a totalitarian bean-movement. Article: Research suggests eating beans instead of beef would sharply reduce greenhouse gasses From: Loma Linda University Health Center quote:... I wonder how much unsubsidized beef would cost?
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I guess that's how scientists tell someone to go gently caress themselves.
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I think the only thing that would make a real difference now is literally hunting down and killing anyone heavily profiting from activities destroying the climate, and doing a sufficiently good job that suddenly making sweet profits is no longer attractive to such scum because everyone else doing it keeps turning up very horrifically dead. Given that organising such thoughts and efforts any more so than the above would almost certainly be called terrorism, instead I keep making efforts to become more self sufficient in food. I read a few articles that remind me that this disaster train is speeding up and legislation is progressing to remove the brakes, and I find new energy for digging some drainage ditches and another reserve pond. Today I caught up on this thread then chased up an apiarist about getting another few hives on the land I work and the basics of making my own. If I didn't have this vaguely relevant work to divert all this, or the good fortune to have a place to do so I would probably lose it entirely and essentially be at the point of screaming "the end is extremely loving nigh" on street corners- or more likely given some social anxiety, sat at home doing so on the internet. And I don't blame people for doing so at all. Time to check over the new fruit bushes and pollinator friendly flower selections. If I'm stuck on the deck of the titanic, I'm at least going to try to rip up some planks to float on.
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I suggest you and half of this thread get mental health treatment and stop reading the internet and/or lovely sci-fi novels for a few months or years. The west is never going to have food problems again. If things get extremely, apocalyptically bad I am confident the government is going to confiscate your land and plant experimental GMO crops where you keep your flowers and bees, rendering your survivalist efforts pointless. Environmentalist are not going to convince the people on the side of the guy with the snowball in the senate if they act even more crazy.
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Mercrom posted:I suggest you and half of this thread get mental health treatment and stop reading the internet and/or lovely sci-fi novels for a few months or years. Bees will be extinct in 20 years.
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Though for real, as someone that lives in the state with the largest uranium deposits in the country, I am going to try to get involved with the Wyoming Democratic Party and try to shove the fact that this state could be a leader in nuclear power down their loving throats until their poo poo can double as a nightlight.
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Salt Fish posted:Bees will be extinct in 20 years. Well then I guess the confiscation will be easier.
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I made a graph. The general population is the black line and this thread is the red line. When you talk about extremist views I think it's important to understand that any individual who believes that we should have less of any economic activity is an extremist. The people you're talking about, those that would scare a senator, are all of us here in this thread. 
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Salt Fish posted:I made a graph. The general population is the black line and this thread is the red line. When you talk about extremist views I think it's important to understand that any individual who believes that we should have less of any economic activity is an extremist. The people you're talking about, those that would scare a senator, are all of us here in this thread. lol
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Mercrom posted:I suggest you and half of this thread get mental health treatment and stop reading the internet and/or lovely sci-fi novels for a few months or years. Where do you want to go from here? Cherry pick some data that proves climate change is temporary or reversing, bring up the climategate emails or just straight up claim it's all actually a lie and the planet is cooling? It's all pretty much irrelevant in the scheme of things, I was just interested if you were straight up trolling or part denialist fuckwad too.
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NewForumSoftware posted:What makes you think we have any sort of control like this? Good question. drat. Well, you win; I'll vote Donald Trump and straight ticket GOP in 2020. Edit: in all seriousness, I think we've discussed human impulse vs climate mitigation recently and largely agreed on the hopelessness of, like, everything.I get where you're coming from on a "What do you see that would get us to only increase temps 3-5C?" front. I'm exercising restraint on the number I pulled out of my rear end here. RCPs look at CO2 and directly related agents like water vapor. Things like the slow titration of the oceans, methane clathrate theory, deep permafrost thaws...I have seen speculative literature on the effects of these secondary forcing agents, but I don't think an IPCC report has produced a good set of projections covering them yet. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 17:54 on May 24, 2017 |
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Salt Fish posted:I made a graph. The general population is the black line and this thread is the red line. When you talk about extremist views I think it's important to understand that any individual who believes that we should have less of any economic activity is an extremist. The people you're talking about, those that would scare a senator, are all of us here in this thread. This is the best lovely chart since --  --- which pulls double-duty in reaffirming the calamity of: Salt Fish posted:Bees will be extinct in 20 years.
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Bees are not going extinct except for some wild species that are completely irrelevant w/r/t food production as their populations have already declined so much as to make them 'commercially extinct' in the parlance of fisheries science and most were probably irrelevant any way due to reliance on ecosystems like marsh lands that are beings eliminated for other reasons.
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Ironically declining honeybee populations could actually reduce thee probability of bee extinction as they actively compete with the wild species most at risk.
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TBH, the denialism on here regarding how bad things may or may not go for the West in the face of climate change probably offends me more than straight up climate denialism. I'd rather read Arkane, at least he didn't rely solely on magical thinking for his arguments against reality. I'm not sure why this raises my ire such. Is it because the posters are essentially saying "billions will die elsewhere, but *we* will be just fine!", without realizing how loving stupid that sounds? It's certainly vastly ignorant of current events: a special kind of exceptionalism which assumes Western civilization can exist in a vacuum absent all other life on earth. I mean, tell yourself whatever lies you want so you can sleep at night, I guess.  Potato Salad posted:2) Vote progressive as you can, primary fuckos as hard as possible by canvassing (thank you btw for doing this already), and get people in office who care about climate change above all else. We probably still hit an apocalyptic +3 to +5 C, but it isn't +8 C. Have fun watching your progressive vote repeatedly do sweet gently caress all until we fall rudely into the option 1 zone, albiet long after it is too late for such violence to prevent a climate collapse, I guess? I mean, you can shake your fist and scream "but I voted!!?" as everyone you know and love dies from the inevitable effects of climate change due to unchecked capitalism? Will the smug self-satisfaction counterbalance the cold reality that it did nothing whatsoever to prevent your own suffering, when it comes to that? Bland rah-rah pap like "Get people in office!" is the stupidest goddamn poo poo to read after the denialism, I swear. Oh yeah, it's so easy guys, all we need to do to counteract the insane control of established wealth, power, and ignorance in the world is vote progressive. Whew, glad we finally solved that one after a couple thousand years. 
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So what would you do, vote GOP? How are you so bad at this
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Potato Salad posted:So what would you do, vote GOP? Stop pretending like your vote does anything
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I think I'm just going to straight-up read and participate in this thread as though it was only about climate science docs, questions, and answers. You loving political dropouts deserve this poo poo, and when you and I are facing severe consequences in the coming decades, I'm fine holding my head a little loving higher for having tried in vain, helpless political activism. poo poo, half of you are probably under 30 and have every loving reason to be way more involved in tackling ACC on every front as hard as you fruitlessly can manage. On actuarial tables, I'm dead in 2040. I frankly could just throw in a useless vote or not vote at all in elections and FYGM outta here when southeast asia goes feral. I see usefulness in doing good, so instead I'm canvassing for Ossoff, I've canvassed for Hillary, I've canvassed for Bernie for the majority of my adult life. I'm attending local govt functions and talking climate science wherever possible. I have my house representative's cell number. Go just think about yourself 30 years from now. You're spending way more than you used to for cooling/heating, public water is a problem unless you've moved to or already live in the great lakes or the cascades, and while scrolling through an article about money being scraped together for a 30% increase in night vision goggles and machine gun nests on the border wall, you're thinking back to a couple near-miss elections in the past where the guy you didn't vote against took the RCP 8.5 status quo that even our wildest nightmares presently don't think will transpire and buttfucked it by not just letting the status quo continue with gradual energy/GDP decoupling but general inaction overall, but also making huge investments in more coal, more oil, more gas, more peat, more more more. Every tenth of a degree will matter to you when you are fourteen years into the apocalypse, old, and suffering in a way you haven't imagined you can suffer on an hourly basis.
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Potato Salad posted:I think I'm just going to straight-up read and participate in this thread as though it was only about climate science docs, questions, and answers. You loving political dropouts deserve this poo poo, and when you and I are facing severe consequences in the coming decades, I'm fine holding my head a little loving higher for having tried in vain, helpless political activism. People who are not severely mentally ill do not actually practice nihilism. Just ignore them and argue with more respectable people, like members of ISIS.
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Potato Salad posted:Every tenth of a degree will matter to you when you are fourteen years into the apocalypse, old, and suffering in a way you haven't imagined you can suffer on an hourly basis.
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Potato Salad posted:Every tenth of a degree will matter to you when you are fourteen years into the apocalypse, old, and suffering in a way you haven't imagined you can suffer on an hourly basis. Why would someone not just commit suicide at that point? Is that unfathomable to you? This is like the utter peak of this thread; in which the common theme has been that people have zero personal agency, cannot take any actions of their own volition (except those actions which will impact nothing) , and must move in accordance with a greater scheme. Rime fucked around with this message at 23:24 on May 24, 2017 |
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Potato Salad posted:I think I'm just going to straight-up read and participate in this thread as though it was only about climate science docs, questions, and answers. You loving political dropouts deserve this poo poo, and when you and I are facing severe consequences in the coming decades, I'm fine holding my head a little loving higher for having tried in vain, helpless political activism. Jesus loving Christ. get over yourself. Our capitalist democratic institutions are not the be all and end all of political frameworks. For many of use we realize that it just doesn't work. Not only that, it actively works against us. We don't want to waste our time jerking off some loving DNC fuckface. There is a reason we keep on losing. There is a reason that climate change is happening. it is because our system is dangerous, powerful, and practically unstoppable. no matter how many people have their stupid rear end in a top hat house representative's cell phone number, it will not change a thing. It has never changed a thing. If it did, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.
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NewForumSoftware posted:Stop pretending like your vote does anything Clinton lost by ~100,000 votes across 5 states. Votes matter, and especially at state and local. Rime posted:When McD's 2 for $2.50 becomes 2 for $5 because beef subsidies were cut, I am going to sit down in the tub and blow my brains out. FTFY
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Accretionist posted:Clinton lost by ~100,000 votes across 5 states. Votes matter, and especially at state and local. Gosh darn. Just imagine the course of history if Clinton won. We really would have a fightin' chance wouldn't we?!
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Minge Binge posted:Gosh darn. Just imagine the course of history if Clinton won. We really would have a fightin' chance wouldn't we?! Don't joke. The Paris Agreement could push Rime's suicide back by weeks
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I agree completely, Binge. Capitalism is an awful, dangerous economic framework that spills over into becoming a societal framework that places no onus on the powerful to exert that power for good. This bit isn't a new discussion; I have taken a breather to hash out where we fairly unconditionally agree on the nature of the beast on multiple occasions with you, with Newforumsofware, and with others. I'm at a point where I'm trying to find what in my posting is coming across as anything other than an urgent call for Full Revolution Now. I not only agree that far better frameworks exist, I preach as much on a regular basis: the healthiest, happiest, most media literate, most educated people on Earth live in economic syatems and with societal norms that depart starkly with those of the US. Nothing short of revolution will mitigate Armageddon's intensity. Do we disagree on any of this so far? - So, I've described what I'm doing. It'll never be fast enough. It will never be enough. We can't drag the Overton window away from a Reagan center in anything short of a generation. You need to be able to answer the following to be able to avoid undermining your disapproval of political action: Are you going do anything about this? Are you attending US Socialist or US Communist Party meetings, and are you supporting them with your time and effort? If revolution by making one of those a major party isn't suitable for you, what are your plans to support revolution by force? Are you training with weapons? Are you involved with an ecoterror group or a green militia, if such things even exist? If you don't have something to offer along these or other solutions in the "What is to be done?" thread, you are undermining your ideas deeply. There is not a foundation to stand upon when the only thing you have to offer is the same lack of a sense of personal responsibility that is exactly why capitalism got us here in the first place.
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