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Paul Zuvella posted:Im starting to legit think that Ball could be there at 5. I'd be mentally prepared for him or Fox. I don't t think Ball will (or should) get past Philly at 3.
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Philly definitely is dreaming of running an all fast break offense so yeah I don't think they would let Ball go past. Maybe with Simmons it can actually work. Although it would be going against like all the trends in basketball. But yeah he's the eighth best player in the draft in a non-fastbreak NBA so they should pick someone else. Don't worry though Earvin Johnson is going to save the league from him.
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May 24, 2017 01:10
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Rick posted:Philly definitely is dreaming of running an all fast break offense so yeah I don't think they would let Ball go past. Maybe with Simmons it can actually work. Although it would be going against like all the trends in basketball. Why do you say things that you know will hurt me 
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May 24, 2017 01:13
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The Glumslinger posted:Why do you say things that you know will hurt me I'm so sorry. If it makes you feel better everything I'm reading is they are looking away from Ball at the moment but it's so early that rumors right now are unreliable.
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May 24, 2017 01:19
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Calipari is threatening to quit if Diallo gets picked early in the first round, lol.
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May 24, 2017 06:09
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Khagan posted:Calipari is threatening to quit if Diallo gets picked early in the first round, lol. Consensus on Diallo has gone from "he's a 2nd rounder right now go play a year at Kentucky" before the combine to "look at those numbers he's fringe lottery right now!" immediately after to the latest "he's late first at best he's coming back" which started to trickle out tonight. I know the conventional wisdom, especially here, is go get the money ASAP and gently caress the rest, but there's a difference between late first and lotto money and you're never guaranteed that second contract. If I'm Cal, I'd be wary of someone like Portland, who has multiple first round picks and can go BPA at 15, draft and stash at 20, and give Diallo a promise that they'll take him in the 1st and do so at 26. Maybe Orlando with their second at 25, Lakers at 28 or Jazz at 30; someone who can gamble because they have that second 1st. I think if he gets one of those he's gone and I think he'll get one. I also think he'd be better served going back and doing his year and rising up into the lottery but it's not my life.
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It's a legit tough call for him because unless he has a great college season, his stock won't ever be higher, even if he goes out and has just a good season, he's going to have his age working against him, fair or not. If he does have a great season though, there's some room for him to move up simply because it's not gonna be a wing draft it appears.
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May 24, 2017 07:30
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Rick posted:It's a legit tough call for him because unless he has a great college season, his stock won't ever be higher, even if he goes out and has just a good season, he's going to have his age working against him, fair or not. If he does have a great season though, there's some room for him to move up simply because it's not gonna be a wing draft it appears. He'd be only 19 wouldn't he? Is that really a huge strike against him? It's not like he'd be a college senior.
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Charlz Guybon posted:He'd be only 19 wouldn't he? Is that really a huge strike against him? It's not like he'd be a college senior. Oh I guess you're right. I just assumed since he had a post high school year he was older.
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May 24, 2017 08:31
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I'm talking myself into Isaac at 3. He seems like the perfect modern 4.
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May 24, 2017 23:00
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Aside from the fact that Ben Simmons is occupying the 4 spot on defense. I kinda like Monk at 3. If you stick him at the 1, that mitigates his size and defense issues. Let Simmons run the offense with Monk as a secondary ball handler
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May 24, 2017 23:06
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May 24, 2017 23:07
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euphronius posted:I'm talking myself into Isaac at 3. He seems like the perfect modern 4. Ha, I've talked myself into Isaac at 4 because I don't think Jackson will be available. He's a very intriguing prospect for sure.
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euphronius posted:I'm talking myself into Isaac at 3. He seems like the perfect modern 4. He's got a serious asthma problem.
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May 24, 2017 23:10
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euphronius posted:I'm talking myself into Isaac at 3. He seems like the perfect modern 4. Weird defensive lineup, honestly a weird offensive one too but if Isaac and Saric can shoot, say, .37 or better from three that really takes the pressure off of Simmons. But Saric was bad from 3 his first year, and Isaac only shot 34% from the college line. There's no guarantee you're getting a Lewis/Turkoglu situation there in terms of spacing, which is what you'd need.
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May 24, 2017 23:11
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How much of a reach is Dennis Smith at 3? Dude can ball and score at every level. Josh Jackson's shot scares me a lot.
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DeimosRising posted:Weird defensive lineup, honestly a weird offensive one too but if Isaac and Saric can shoot, say, .37 or better from three that really takes the pressure off of Simmons. But Saric was bad from 3 his first year, and Isaac only shot 34% from the college line. There's no guarantee you're getting a Lewis/Turkoglu situation there in terms of spacing, which is what you'd need. I dont think Saric is a starter. My lineup with Isaac at 3 would be Simmon - SG- covington - Issac - Embiid.
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May 24, 2017 23:29
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I would like to think Markelle Fultz has Nas in his top 5. If he doesn't this hurts his draft stock imo
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May 24, 2017 23:30
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May 24, 2017 23:32
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euphronius posted:I dont think Saric is a starter. My lineup with Isaac at 3 would be Simmon - SG- covington - Issac - Embiid. I forgot they had Bayless. So it would be Simmons - Bayless - covington - Isaac - Embiid They might sign Reddick.
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May 24, 2017 23:34
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May 24, 2017 23:42
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:How much of a reach is Dennis Smith at 3? Dude can ball and score at every level. Josh Jackson's shot scares me a lot. A fair number of people online think he's the second best PG In the draft. He's down in the mocks because of his attitude and health concerns but screw what the mocks say. It's not like anyone in the second tier, especially Fox and Ball, are free from any serious concerns either so I don't think it's a huge reach. I mean we all laugh at reaches, but draft the guy you like the most and has the best chance to succeed for you. Who cares what Givony or Bilas think they aren't running your team.
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May 24, 2017 23:58
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euphronius posted:Jaylen Brown was a reach but looks like a good pick. Yeah, I laugh at reaches all the time because I just like to laugh but compare any mock to a ranking 2-3 years later and it's a different story. except for Papa John. That pick will always be funny
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Thon Maker was a huge reach at 10 too, but he looks like he's going to be a good pick there. Even though he is 27. Draft express had him mocked to go 32nd on the 1st June 2016 and 35th on the 16th June only to bump him up to 10 in their final mock right before the draft, so presumably they got inside info that the Bucks were going to take him.
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it owns that i have no idea who the bulls are going to pick but already know i'll be flabbergasted and disgusted
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euphronius posted:Jaylen Brown was a reach but looks like a good pick. He looks like he maybe has the potential to become a good role player, if he can become an average 3 point shooter over a decent amount of shots, which the Celtics were in a unique position to be okay with taking at the top of a draft. I agree that teams shouldn't worry at all about a pick being considered a reach and should trust their own scouting of players. WIth that said if the Sixers draft Isaac I would be very upset. Jota fucked around with this message at 00:29 on May 25, 2017 |
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tanglewood1420 posted:Thon Maker was a huge reach at 10 What about the second time he was 10
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Jota posted:He looks like he maybe has the potential to become a good role player, if he can become an average 3 point shooter over a decent amount of shots, which the Celtics were in a unique position to be okay with taking at the top of a draft. I try not to be too homerish but I see signs that he could be more valuable than a good roleplayer. But yeah, it's tough to tell with rookies. Especially raw ones. I really think being on a team like Boston helped him a lot more than it would have on a losing team as he gets to play without having the entire weight of the game on his shoulders. He'd probably get overwhelmed with a ton more playing time somewhere else
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euphronius posted:I forgot they had Bayless. Simmons is defending PGs in this scenario? Thats ... interesting
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Simmons is defending PGs in this scenario? Thats ... interesting Thats what they've been saying. Anyways, you could have Bayless and Covington guard the guards and have Simmons guard a 3. Cov can guard anyone.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:How much of a reach is Dennis Smith at 3? Dude can ball and score at every level. Josh Jackson's shot scares me a lot. I don't think he's a reach there at all. I think he'll be in play at that spot when it's all said and done.
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I've only done the first ten picks of my "mean" mock (the one where every organization makes the mistake it usually makes in the draft if it makes a mistake) but I definitely have Boston picking Issac #1 in it.Metapod posted:Isaac will not be good I'm not sure if I want to go this far but he is probably the biggest risk/reward pick in the draft. Rick fucked around with this message at 02:20 on May 25, 2017 |
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May 25, 2017 02:11
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Sourced rumors on twitter that Sixers like fox and smith at three.
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May 25, 2017 02:47
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https://twitter.com/sbondynydn/status/867526157184491521 Don't know who this guy is
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all mocks have okc drafting Rodions Kurucs I don't know if they have given up on guessing what Presti is going to do or if there is merit to it
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euphronius posted:https://twitter.com/sbondynydn/status/867526157184491521 New York Daily News guy. Might be overhyping Smith so the fan base is cool when the Knicks take him. Though I wouldn't be opposed to Smith if Brett Brown can get him actually working on the defensive end.
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May 25, 2017 03:27
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