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I hadn't been paying much attention to UKIP's campaign for obvious reasons but yeesh:quote:UKIP has already announced policies including banning the burka, electoral reform and keeping net migration at zero over a five-year period. gently caress knows what they're going to have written in crayon at the bottom of their manifesto when it launches today.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I hadn't been paying much attention to UKIP's campaign for obvious reasons but yeesh: Something about closing mosques for sure.
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May 25, 2017 07:46
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Best hope is they claw back a few percent from the tories. Really instill a right wing split and make the tories struggle to present may as a right wing unifier
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May 25, 2017 07:49
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This post about the Tory manifesto is worth a read: The political economy of the Conservative Manifesto: a hallucinatory celebration of the state
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May 25, 2017 07:52
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Apparently we've stopped sharing intelligence with the Americans now cos of all the leaks edit: link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40040210 Zephro fucked around with this message at 08:14 on May 25, 2017 |
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May 25, 2017 08:01
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sebzilla posted:Not that it matters, but I've read near enough every post in here for about seven/eight years and been posting as long. I credit this thread for a lot of my transition from idiot student liberal to grumpy internet communist. Same. Zdravstvuyte Tovarisch!
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May 25, 2017 08:05
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sebzilla posted:Not that it matters, but I've read near enough every post in here for about seven/eight years and been posting as long. I credit this thread for a lot of my transition from idiot student liberal to grumpy internet communist. I only recognise you from lp
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May 25, 2017 08:19
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So the tories plans to scrap free lunches for all infant school pupils to replace them with breakfasts as it would save £650m? The £60m cost was based on the food being donated, only 25% of pupils at schools taking them up and teachers & staff doing it for free. The 'actual' cost would be a minimum of £180m to £400m. How do they get away with this?
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May 25, 2017 08:20
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Perhaps one of the strangest things about the modern world is one can look at all the headlines and newsfeeds and conclude, "Katy Perry knows what's up" I mean, gently caress
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May 25, 2017 08:21
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I hadn't been paying much attention to UKIP's campaign for obvious reasons but yeesh: Net migration at 0 ITS SAKOKU TIME
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May 25, 2017 08:22
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Namtab posted:I only recognise you from lp Can confirm that sebzilla is a long time poster/reader
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May 25, 2017 08:23
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serious gaylord posted:So the tories plans to scrap free lunches for all infant school pupils to replace them with breakfasts as it would save £650m? I was wondering if they had factored in staffing costs (plus energy costs etc) of opening the school at least half an hour earlier.
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May 25, 2017 08:27
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hookerbot 5000 posted:I was wondering if they had factored in staffing costs (plus energy costs etc) of opening the school at least half an hour earlier. They hadn't even factored in buying the food.
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May 25, 2017 08:34
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serious gaylord posted:The £60m cost was based on the food being donated, only 25% of pupils at schools taking them up and teachers & staff doing it for free. The 'actual' cost would be a minimum of £180m to £400m. I'm so angry i could vomit.
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May 25, 2017 08:35
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PIGS BREXIT posted:Perhaps one of the strangest things about the modern world is one can look at all the headlines and newsfeeds and conclude, Maybe you should think about leaving all doors unlocked all the time so anyone can come as they please in your house
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May 25, 2017 08:56
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There's a growing number of people on my Facebook feed who support the notion of "bash the fash", which I find kind of strange considering they're normally pacifists. One friend makes the distinction that neo-nazis surrender their right to not be beaten up by advocating genocide but it feels like a slippery slope to me. Just wondering where UKMT stands on the issue of beating up neo-nazis?
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May 25, 2017 09:28
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The DPRK posted:Just wondering where UKMT stands on the issue of beating up neo-nazis? It's a real good idea
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May 25, 2017 09:29
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The DPRK posted:Just wondering where UKMT stands on the issue of beating up neo-nazis? Cool and good.
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The DPRK posted:There's a growing number of people on my Facebook feed who support the notion of "bash the fash", which I find kind of strange considering they're normally pacifists. It's good.
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May 25, 2017 09:30
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10 IF nazi THEN punch 20 GOTO 10
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Eh? 'The DPRK' has to ask should we bash the fash? What's going on?
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The DPRK posted:There's a growing number of people on my Facebook feed who support the notion of "bash the fash", which I find kind of strange considering they're normally pacifists. Refer to the OP, I believe the thread's stand is indicated there. Oberleutnant posted:I'm so angry i could vomit. Also this should be added to the OP.
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May 25, 2017 09:32
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Care to unpack this?
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May 25, 2017 09:38
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The DPRK posted:Care to unpack this? "Bash the fash" is an axiomatic truth; a fundamental constant. There is no further unpacking that can be done.
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May 25, 2017 09:41
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https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/867660999922515969 Brexit is succeeding already!
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May 25, 2017 09:48
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I'd watch a bash the fash unboxing video
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Ratjaculation posted:I'd watch a bash the fash unboxing video I thought the point was the other way round?
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May 25, 2017 09:50
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Most UKMT goons or UK goons in general all leftists or commies. Of course no one actually likes neo-nazis anyway. But I may be one of the few people in this thread that doesn't hold any love for either far-right or far-left ideas. I'm sure both sides love to punch each other until they're bruised and bloody.
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It's a liberal idea that political violence only comes in the form of people getting physically punched - Nazis and the fash perpetrate violence, sometimes physical, sometimes not, by the very nature of their existence, by sowing fear in minority and migrant communities and causing political rhetoric to drift rightwards. Punching nazis is simply meeting political violence with political violence.
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May 25, 2017 09:52
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Some questions that come to mind: 1. Does this legitimise violence in response to political opponents? If not, why? 2. Doesn't this mean far-right could make a strong case for beating up muslims at a demonstration against our military actions abroad using the same reasoning? 3. Does this solve the problem in your view? Are neo-nazis suitably deterred from demonstrating after you beat them up? 4. Where do you draw the line that makes it acceptable to beat someone up? At incitement to violence? At holding the beliefs secretly and discussing them online?
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Fascism requires the removal (theoretically not with violence if they leave of their own accord, except no-one will ever agree to do that) of anyone who does not meet the arbitrary criteria of a select group, such as being slightly the wrong skin colour. There is no compromise that can allow fascists to live peacefully amongst other people, because the only way to compromise with them is to remove innocent people from that society. If even the smallest compromise for them is still an act of callous, indefensible evil, such as allowing them to segregate other races so they don't have to mix with them, then the entire ideology and everyone who adheres to it is also evil, and there is no point wasting time or risking their views being normalised through dialogue. So basically, always attack fascists, and don't stop until they either go away or stop being fascists.
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/867660999922515969 Hmmm, our citizens are growing older, we need more workers in pretty much all industries, man it's a good thing these Eastern Europeans are leaving!
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let me tell you about the time a gigantic stalinist (huge prick in that respect, but a good antifa) walked into a bar where a bunch of National Action dickheads were mustering for a demo, stroll up to their table and say "right lads, we're the loving reds, who wants some?" before lamping a nazi in the face.
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The DPRK posted:Some questions that come to mind: 1. Bash the fash 2. Bash the fash 3. Bash the fash 4. Bash the fash Let me know if you have any more questions, I'll be happy to answer them
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The DPRK posted:There's a growing number of people on my Facebook feed who support the notion of "bash the fash", which I find kind of strange considering they're normally pacifists. Feel free to slip on the slope that takes you the gently caress outta here.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Fascism requires the removal ... of ... fascists.
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Oberleutnant posted:let me tell you about the time a gigantic stalinist (huge prick in that respect, but a good antifa) walked into a bar where a bunch of National Action dickheads were mustering for a demo, stroll up to their table and say "right lads, we're the loving reds, who wants some?" before lamping a nazi in the face. That fuckin owns.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Fascism requires the removal (theoretically not with violence if they leave of their own accord, except no-one will ever agree to do that) of anyone who does not meet the arbitrary criteria of a select group, such as being slightly the wrong skin colour. There is no compromise that can allow fascists to live peacefully amongst other people, because the only way to compromise with them is to remove innocent people from that society. Bolded the area up to which I agree. I'm just not convinced that beating people up is a suitable or effective deterrent from these extreme views. Would you agree that, while these organisations may have intelligent demagogues at the their centre, they are largely made up of disenfranchised people who are being readily supplied with answers to the question "why am I suffering unfairly?"?
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Oberleutnant posted:let me tell you about the time a gigantic stalinist (huge prick in that respect, but a good antifa) walked into a bar where a bunch of National Action dickheads were mustering for a demo, stroll up to their table and say "right lads, we're the loving reds, who wants some?" before lamping a nazi in the face. It's my secret shame that anarchists make the best antifa, so it's nice to hear of a tankie representing.
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