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Was this posted in here yet? 'Sorted' by MI5: How UK government sent British-Libyans to fight Gaddafi quote:The British government operated an "open door" policy that allowed Libyan exiles and British-Libyan citizens to join the 2011 uprising that toppled Muammar Gaddafi even though some had been subject to counter-terrorism control orders, Middle East Eye can reveal.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Cowards love to target populations whose strength and dignity make them feel threatened They hate us because of our freedom!
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baka kaba posted:Man I feel like we need a good times leftist reading list too. Is it the foreword of Open Veins that talks about leftism needing to be vibrant and positive so people want to be a part of it and create a powerful movement? What are the best books depicting leftist ownage Robin Hood Guerrillas is the story of a gang of rascally teenagers who thumbed their nose at the Uruguayan dictatorship by stealing accounting ledgers during bank robberies and publicising indisputable evidence that most of the senior members of government were siphoning the national treasury to fill their personal pockets. They operated "Hunger Commandos" which hijacked the Uruguayan equivalent of Asda lorries, and distributed the food to the poorest people in Montevideo, and in one memorable incident they hijacked the only national radio network during the world cup in order to broadcast their manifesto to the entire country. For a while their approval ratings in polls were higher than the goverment. They hosed up in the end, but for a while they (imo) provided the best example of illegalism. Their great strength was the fact that for a long time they didn't kill anybody, or bomb anything - they were simply willing to break the law in order to expose the crimes of the state, which had a huge impact all on public attitudes towards the government. e: Oh. And one of their commandos was Jose Mujica. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 13:46 on May 25, 2017 |
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May 25, 2017 13:44
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namesake posted:Agreed, it made me laugh so hard I think I weed a little.
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I'm enjoying the book recommendations - I always forget to go back and mark them when it comes up, so appreciate the compiled list. Thank you.
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I liked William Morris's Signs of Change for basic socialism and the proper attitude to work. And it's a long time since I read it, but I remember Marion Shoard's This land is our land dispelled any foolish notions I had acquired about social mobility.
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Anyone who has a kindle or e-reader can probably get a lot of these books, especially the older ones for free from the gutenberg project. Google it. Demanding the impossible by Peter Marshal is a tremendous book (both figuratively and literally). I'd highly recommend it as a starter book, or a 2nd book. I'm still working through thread recommendations myself so the last couple of pages have been good for updating my wish list. I'd also add Bertrand Russel's In Praise of Idleness for knocking out that bullshit approach that people have to work 50 hour weeks and that's how the world is. Miftan fucked around with this message at 13:53 on May 25, 2017 |
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May 25, 2017 13:50
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Miftan posted:Anyone who has a kindle or e-reader can probably get a lot of these books, especially the older ones for free from the gutenberg project. Google it. Some as free audiobooks from Librivox, as well.
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Miftan posted:I'd also add Bertrand Russel's In Praise of Idleness for knocking out that bullshit approach that people have to work 50 hour weeks and that's how the world is. Somehow I have never read this but as an incredibly big fan of free time & working as little as possible to get by, I really should change that.
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May 25, 2017 13:57
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forkboy84 posted:Somehow I have never read this but as an incredibly big fan of free time & working as little as possible to get by, I really should change that. Lazy bastard Get a job and become a good wagecuck NOW
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May 25, 2017 13:59
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Miftan posted:I'd also add Bertrand Russel's In Praise of Idleness for knocking out that bullshit approach that people have to work 50 hour weeks and that's how the world is.
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May 25, 2017 14:00
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Lazy bastard Unfortunately working as little as possible to get by still involves 30+ hour weeks. Wage slavery is shite.
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May 25, 2017 14:00
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Kippers reach a new high/low for eye-swiveling. https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/867695157453434880
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May 25, 2017 14:21
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Someone posted this 1987 election special of Spitting Image in the politoons thread, and I thought it's depressing how accurate is still is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iAzIkjO3G0&t=578s Also funny how they go on about Labour needing a photogenic leader. I'm to the left but it's interesting how the whole Blair narrative was sown much earlier than ~93-97.
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May 25, 2017 14:24
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Kippers reach a new high/low for eye-swiveling. I'd already seen one parody on the UKIP manifesto so I had to check coz there was no way this was real. But yup, there it is on page 37.
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May 25, 2017 14:27
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Re: Books - Has anybody recommended Killing Hope by William Blum yet? Also, throw in Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher. I might be able to think of a few more, but considering how routinely bad my scorching hot takes are I'd take my recommendations with a good kilo of salt.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Is Beevor's "Stalingrad" too on-the-nose? Well I mean Nazis getting run out is traditionally popular entertainment Oberleutnant posted:Robin Hood Guerrillas is the story of a gang of rascally teenagers who thumbed their nose at the Uruguayan dictatorship by stealing accounting ledgers during bank robberies and publicising indisputable evidence that most of the senior members of government were siphoning the national treasury to fill their personal pockets. They operated "Hunger Commandos" which hijacked the Uruguayan equivalent of Asda lorries, and distributed the food to the poorest people in Montevideo, and in one memorable incident they hijacked the only national radio network during the world cup in order to broadcast their manifesto to the entire country. Oh yeah, I was enjoying your writeup on them! Did you ever finish that? I take it that's one of the good sources you used, and not the 'what the gently caress this guy is just making poo poo up' one
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forkboy84 posted:Somehow I have never read this but as an incredibly big fan of free time & working as little as possible to get by, I really should change that. edit: it also contains 100% more sick burns like this quote:One is the necessity of keeping the poor contented, which has led the rich, for thousands of years, to preach the dignity of labour, while taking care themselves to remain undignified in this respect.
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May 25, 2017 14:40
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baka kaba posted:Well I mean Nazis getting run out is traditionally popular entertainment I never finished my writeup because I'm not too god at writing, and I find it stressful tbh.
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May 25, 2017 14:58
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Some more recommended books I would think of - Austerity: The History of a Dangerous Idea by Mark Blythe and Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze. Wages of Destruction is very interesting because it's not a left-wing book at all, but an economic history of pre and during WWII Germany, and shows an excellent example of how totally hosed up economic decisions like ideological austerity allowed the Nazis to thrive.
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May 25, 2017 15:02
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it would have been very easy to retain the Keynesian forecasted path of a life of leisure if: 1) we retained the house sizes, medical expenses, and education budgets of a typical household in the 1950s, and 2) we continued to consider the labour of housewives as irrelevant
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Oberleutnant posted:I never finished my writeup because I'm not too god at writing, and I find it stressful tbh. Hey I enjoyed it! Just make sure you get some practice for your memoirs Here's a tweet https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/867703246353297409 Also the kippers are attacking May over the bombing. They might end up winning back the fuckhead vote and hurting the Tories at this rate? 
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my go-to recommendation is The Affluent Society plus The New Industrial State for an eloquent, influential treatise by one of the more incisive public intellectuals of the Western bloc during the 20th century it coined the phrase "conventional wisdom". also the marvellous idiom "private opulence and public squalor". it's also a wonderful exemplar of how an intelligent and careful writer, persuasively drawing upon the some of the best-established ideas and incontestable data to their inevitable conclusions, can turn out to be totally and utterly wrong in the light of hindsight. ronya fucked around with this message at 15:33 on May 25, 2017 |
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baka kaba posted:Hey I enjoyed it! Just make sure you get some practice for your memoirs If the right-wing eat their own then hail satan is what I say.
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/867743962336985088 Excellent work.
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it's not, you know, a puzzle why pub-owners might like the idea that there might be fewer on-licenses
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ronya posted:it's not, you know, a puzzle why pub-owners might like the idea that there might be fewer on-licenses The Just World fallacy extending as far down as pubs. "Everyone else will close down, but I won't!"
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Oberleutnant posted:I never finished my writeup because I'm not too god at writing, and I find it stressful tbh. After all, isn't it our responsibility as leftists to help each other to improve our skills and ability to reach others? I don't have PMs, but I'm sure someone would be willing to proof-read it or something before you post, if that's a concern for you. As a last resort, i could even post my email for you to send (before promptly editing it out) if no ones volunteers.
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funny. in the referendum Battersea was 77% to 23% in favour of remain, but the anti-Brexit candidates there only total 25%
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Private Speech posted:Also funny how they go on about Labour needing a photogenic leader. I'm to the left but it's interesting how the whole Blair narrative was sown much earlier than ~93-97.
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May 25, 2017 16:10
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Would a national system of rationing to fight obesity have prevented brexit? You decide 
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May 25, 2017 16:10
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For a brief moment I thought that was a 118% obesity rate.
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Tesseraction posted:For a brief moment I thought that was a 118% obesity rate. Well, they ARE big.
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We voted bigly to leave.
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LemonDrizzle posted:I mean, yes, the Nixon/Kennedy debate happened in 1960. Yeah but it's more like, that they don't have anyone photogenic and can't get their ideas across in the media. That said interestingly in the 92 election one Kinnock is presented in a much better light, they call him a presidential-style candidate of sorts. Even though in the 1987 one he's a doddering old fool.
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I'm sure this will be a net positive: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/25/raf-crew-write-love-manchester-bomb-destined-islamic-state/
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TheRat posted:I'm sure this will be a net positive: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/25/raf-crew-write-love-manchester-bomb-destined-islamic-state/ sooo, odds this hits a wedding?
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Cerv posted:funny. in the referendum Battersea was 77% to 23% in favour of remain, but the anti-Brexit candidates there only total 25% That's because according to polls the majority of Remain voters are now in favour of soft Brexit. Plus the fact that the Lib Dems are a "second referendum" party rather than an actual Remain party.
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jBrereton posted:Would a national system of rationing to fight obesity have prevented brexit?
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Really hard to judge given how prolific UKIP's online presence is, but it does seem UKIP might be having a bit of resurgence thanks to ISIS. There could be some interesting polling once companies start doing them again.
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