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Al Borland Corp. posted:The thing about NATO is, it's actually a valid complaint that some countries aren't spending the amount specified in the treaty on their own defense, but Trump's complaint and the way he's going about it is completely moronic and counterproductive. We should be asking these countries why they're having trouble getting there and what kind of help they need to get there and if there's anything we can do tradewise it military-wise to help them meet those goals, not threatening that we'll just out of NATO. I'm Dutch and every US president since the end of the Cold War has complained about NATO defense spending, which is understandable, but those same presidents also realize that their involvement in NATO 'buys' them huge influence within the EU, to the point that you could argue it's a loose vassalization structure of the USA. The US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was hugely unpopular within the EU but its politicians still felt compelled to help the US out, even if it was clearly to their electoral detriment. Trump is insanely unpopular in the EU, even among the far right. The only reason EU politicians 'tolerate' him is because it's clearly in their interests to do so. Ofcourse Trump doesn't understand any of this so he'll continue to make impotent threats about NATO.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:The thing about NATO is, it's actually a valid complaint that some countries aren't spending the amount specified in the treaty on their own defense, but Trump's complaint and the way he's going about it is completely moronic and counterproductive. We should be asking these countries why they're having trouble getting there and what kind of help they need to get there and if there's anything we can do tradewise it military-wise to help them meet those goals, not threatening that we'll just out of NATO. You hire a slumlord to run negotiations, and he's gonna negotiate like a slumlord
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Al Borland Corp. posted:The thing about NATO is, it's actually a valid complaint that some countries aren't spending the amount specified in the treaty on their own defense, but Trump's complaint and the way he's going about it is completely moronic and counterproductive. We should be asking these countries why they're having trouble getting there and what kind of help they need to get there and if there's anything we can do tradewise it military-wise to help them meet those goals, not threatening that we'll just out of NATO. You are assuming that they can't afford it. Very rich countries like Germany aren't meeting treaty obligations, probably because they know they don't have to because the USA will handle it. It's a legit gripe that Trump has of course hosed up be acting like it's a protection racket.
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Eltoasto posted:Apologies if it has been discussed, but would this monstrosity pass SCOTUS? Honestly, I'm not sure. I could see it going either way at the high court. Usually the feds can only charge you with a crime for this sort of thing if you attack a federal agent, like the FBI or a marshal. If you attack a local sworn officer, the feds have no jurisdiction its a state or local crime. What congress is trying to do is argue that since they give grant money to that police department, even though they are not federal agents they have an interest in that cop's safety so if you attack them its now a federal crime, too. I don't know if that holds up or not. Its a poo poo law either way, obviously. Its a necessary step to creating a national fascist state where the cops no longer have to worry too much about what happens if they beat the hell out of a random citizen, as long as they were arguably doing something illegal, its all good get out that club and swing away..
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highme posted:war eagle go vandals Edit: These cop killer hate crime laws seem redundant in my opinion. Murder a law enforcement agent and you're getting every resource the agency has to throw your rear end in prison for ever as is.
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Eltoasto posted:Apologies if it has been discussed, but would this monstrosity pass SCOTUS?
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Mustached Demon posted:go vandals It's a reaction to the realization by the far-left antifa types that ICE are literal gestapo nazis.
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Uglycat posted:It's a reaction to the realization by the far-left antifa types that ICE are literal gestapo nazis. I don't have to be AntiFa to realize that.
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Rigel posted:Honestly, I'm not sure. I could see it going either way at the high court. I wanna see this law get passed and then there be a cop-cop brawl at a bar or something stupid. LEOs are already protected by the same laws against assault/homicide that the rest of us are protected by.
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TGLT posted:Yeah, because Trump and his people have shown real foresight about these kinds of things in the past. They leaked because everything there leaks. It's probably a safer bet that some individual either did it because that's what they do now, or they did it because they think ISLAMIC TERROR helps them and they couldn't wait for the Brits to move forward. Counterpoint: Many of Trump's administration are just the types to think up of such a brilliant plan.
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Uglycat posted:It's a reaction to the realization by the far-left antifa types that ICE are literal gestapo nazis. Yeah the suing part makes perfect sense from the perspective of that little elf and his nazi pals.
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:Incredible. He really is a complete poo poo.
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Honest question but how do we actually recover from Trump wether or not he's impeached? We have entire federal departments like State with no one in it because the president and his lackeys didn't even know it was a thing that existed, an administration that literally cannot function or do basic math yet we have a sizeable portion of our population following behind them lock step. Whats to stop this from becoming the new norm, just electing people on who makes the other side madder and promises the most insane poo poo without anything behind it? Our president likely got elected with the help of a hostile foreign power and instead of people getting angry you have a portion thinking Putin is pretty neat-o now Trump is a signal to the right wing that they can drop all their facades and still get power because their base has been trained so well. We have a GOP member running for office who literally beat up a reporter for asking about his stance on policies and the GOP doesn't even acknowldge it as a problem because they know they don't have to anymore at this point. Their base will think of reasons why the reporter deserved it and cheer them on
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Christ, it's like we elected Bender Rodriguez President. Trump 2020: Hey, Sexy Mama, Wanna Kill All Humans...?
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Did they just end it there or did they hold his feet to the fire and make him define when a reporter "deserves it".
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Alter Ego posted:Christ, it's like we elected Bender Rodriguez President. We elected the kid from It's A Good Life.
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nerox posted:Did they just end it there or did they hold his feet to the fire and make him define when a reporter "deserves it". https://twitter.com/BenSasse/status/867763252519985153 C'mon and slam (welcome to Trump Land)
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Honest question but how do we actually recover from Trump wether or not he's impeached? We have entire federal departments like State with no one in it because the president and his lackeys didn't even know it was a thing that existed, an administration that literally cannot function or do basic math yet we have a sizeable portion of our population following behind them lock step. Whats to stop this from becoming the new norm, just electing people on who makes the other side madder and promises the most insane poo poo without anything behind it? Our president likely got elected with the help of a hostile foreign power and instead of people getting angry you have a portion thinking Putin is pretty neat-o now We just have to keep pushing back and hope things aren't truly that far gone. This is the greatest test of our nation in many years.
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NikkolasKing posted:I am equally bewildered by all this. My time in the Libertarian thread and reading some writings from a delightful fellow named Hans Herman Hoppe only made it all the more puzzling.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Honest question but how do we actually recover from Trump wether or not he's impeached? We have entire federal departments like State with no one in it because the president and his lackeys didn't even know it was a thing that existed, an administration that literally cannot function or do basic math yet we have a sizeable portion of our population following behind them lock step. Whats to stop this from becoming the new norm, just electing people on who makes the other side madder and promises the most insane poo poo without anything behind it? Our president likely got elected with the help of a hostile foreign power and instead of people getting angry you have a portion thinking Putin is pretty neat-o now The total and indiscriminate annihilation of the GOP's voting demographics. Fresh out of ideas after that.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/BenSasse/status/867763252519985153 But what if the questions are hard and they make your think box feel bad? 
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I gotta feeling Chuck Todd will be just fine with Greg's behavior. Jeremy Scahill said Todd once shoved him backstage on Real Time with Bill Maher because he "embarrased" him.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/BenSasse/status/867763252519985153 Is that the first GOP guy to actually say 'No this is bullshit don't attack reporters'?
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Trump's got his pretext, y'all Following the release of crime scene photos from the Manchester concert bombing, President Trump has asked for "a complete review" of leaks from U.S. government agencies. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a634_story.html
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Truancy-Bot posted:I gotta feeling Chuck Todd will be just fine with Greg's behavior. Jeremy Scahill said Todd once shoved him backstage on Real Time with Bill Maher because he "embarrased" him. He cancelled his appearance.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/BenSasse/status/867763252519985153 SCOTUS Steat stealing fraud Ben Sasse needs to shut up about "civics."
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Tayter Swift posted:Trump's got his pretext, y'all Can't wait to read the leaks from this investigation
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EwokEntourage posted:Can't wait to read the leaks from this investigation Yeah, nothing's going to stop the leaking. The leaking is happening because people hate the administration.
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mcmagic posted:SCOTUS Steat stealing fraud Ben Sasse needs to shut up about "civics." No actually he should call this out and ALSO the other thing I'd rather him be wrong on one than on both
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Tayter Swift posted:Trump's got his pretext, y'all I can't wait for this to inevitably reveal a Trump surrogate passed this particular leaked info to the NYT.
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I feel very strongly that whoever leaked the Manchester stuff is not the same kind of person who leaks about how poo poo Trump is.
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Why is this even a question? Trump all but Gianforte'd the guy. (Hm. That's a bit awkward. Let's just call it a Montana Handshake from now on.)
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Tir McDohl posted:I feel very strongly that whoever leaked the Manchester stuff is not the same kind of person who leaks about how poo poo Trump is. I think it's more probably just a function of how there's no morale and no actual leadership in the white house. Whole place is going to leak like a sieve about everything.
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Tayter Swift posted:Trump's got his pretext, y'all Hasn't he already done this like 3 times? The leaks aren't fundamentally a result of simple security flaws, they're a result of an administration comprised of a multitude of bumbling and unfriendly factions
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