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2nd Rate Poster posted:Ah yes, the well respected bitch had it coming defense. You don't think it hasn't gotten this bad before? We've come back from worse, and we will again. It just takes time and reasonable people engaging with each other.
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Prester Jane posted:The following two posts are from August 11th and 12th, respectively. These posts show how eager the militia movement was for any pretense to carry heavy weapons around minority neighborhoods in a blatant act of intimidation. Although the militia's have been quiet for a bit as a result of the post-Malheur crackdown; that crackdown has been effectively ended by the Trump administration. As the militias realize it is safe to poke their heads in public again you can expect them to begin appearing at political rallies in support of pro-Trump protesters. Their is a very strong risk for violence erupting from a scenario wherein some group like Oathkeepers shows up armed to protect some Proud Boys and opens fire on some antifa/minority protesters. Can you share a link to a basic overview of what you discuss, and do you have a blog of some sort that I can share with non-SA people?
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May 25, 2017 17:50
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Holy Jesus we got a handshake feud goin on.
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RuanGacho posted:They aren't capable if they don't run the government. I added a little bit after I first posted, but basically I don't think the fascists are going to even give two shits about the government; the government of Trumpistan collapsing will be their pretext to going full Rwanda, though, and they'll just go door-to-door killing LIBTARDS they know from Facebook.
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May 25, 2017 17:51
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All of these people making light and not straight up condemning assault deserve the ahca and I hope they die with me. Oh wait congress people are exempt, poo poo.
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May 25, 2017 17:52
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:You don't think it hasn't gotten this bad before? We've come back from worse, and we will again. It just takes time and reasonable people engaging with each other. There is absolutely no way any time prior to this has been as bad as this. 20% of the country is heavily-armed, psychotic, and willing to go to full-scale genocidal civil war on a moment's notice.
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May 25, 2017 17:52
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BarbarianElephant posted:Why? No-one stayed home over the horrible things Trump has done. Those prim and proper old Republican ladies you see don't faint as easily over nastiness as you might think. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.
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May 25, 2017 17:53
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:You don't think it hasn't gotten this bad before? We've come back from worse, and we will again. It just takes time and reasonable people engaging with each other. We're doomed.
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Chilichimp posted:The problem with normalizing violence against political opponents is... it normalizes violence against political opponents, and that door swings both fuckin' ways. Conservatives have been getting violent in response to frustration since basically forever. It's only the cause of handwringing when antifa decides to punch a nazi.
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Jesus, what a little punk bitch. I'm glad world leaders learned about Trump's bullshit power plays. Marcon yanks him right back.
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hanales posted:Can you share a link to a basic overview of what you discuss, and do you have a blog of some sort that I can share with non-SA people? Your wish is my command. Here is a link to a blogged version of my Narrativist Frameowrk meant specifically for non-SA people.
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Apoplexy posted:There is absolutely no way any time prior to this has been as bad as this. 20% of the country is heavily-armed, psychotic, and willing to go to full-scale genocidal civil war on a moment's notice. I mean there was a literal civil war 150 years ago and we aren't there yet
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May 25, 2017 17:55
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BarbarianElephant posted:Why? No-one stayed home over the horrible things Trump has done. Those prim and proper old Republican ladies you see don't faint as easily over nastiness as you might think. Hillary was Trump's opponent, Rob Quist is basically Bob Ross with a cowboy hat.
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May 25, 2017 17:55
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RuanGacho posted:They aren't capable if they don't run the government. There's some hope with the potential of redrawn districts, but they're being redrawn by the GOP here again. Hopefully that, too, gets struck.
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If I ever In my statement I'll say with confusion that I've shaken hands with thousands of people and never once had that happen, so I had no idea he would pull me in so hard.
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May 25, 2017 17:56
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BarbarianElephant posted:Why? No-one stayed home over the horrible things Trump has done. Those prim and proper old Republican ladies you see don't faint as easily over nastiness as you might think. I suspect the proximity to the election is important here. If Trump's Access Hollywood tape had come out a day or two before the election, I think it would've depressed turnout. But there was plenty of time for people to rationalize it between its release and the election, and there were Clinton scandals and the Comey letter closer to the election. I guess what I'm saying is that if this happened a month ago and then the charges were dropped or something, I'd agree that it'd have little to no effect on Republican turnout. As it is, I'm not ready to count it out. That said, I'm still skeptical of how much this will affect the results given how huge the early voting was. If the election is as close as the all-over-the-place polls suggest then it could have a pretty serious effect, but if it isn't, Gianforte could still win pretty comfortably.
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May 25, 2017 17:56
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Alter Ego posted:The people that are still intending to vote for Gianforte are lost causes; no one ever expected this to reach them. I don't know that you're wrong per se, but it's still kind of existentially terrifying to know that 30 to 50 percent of the electorate thinks beating the poo poo out of your political opposition is awesome, and I don't think it's sustainable.
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Remember a month or two ago when all the Republican reps were crying about how mean and scary people at their town halls were and couldn't go? Now they are casually joking about their peers beating up regular people. GOP has already gone full fascist ideology, it's too late for them to turn back.Spiritus Nox posted:I don't know that you're wrong per se, but it's still kind of existentially terrifying to know that 30 to 50 percent of the electorate thinks beating the poo poo out of your political opposition is awesome, and I don't think it's sustainable. To be fair when Preston Brooks beat Sumner so badly he was permanently injured the South in general considered it fair for the slight against their collective honor. These kinds of assholes are nothing new.
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:"When German Chancellor Angela Merkel visited President Donald Trump at the White House in March, she brought a visual aid to help Trump understand the menace posed by his would-be friend, Russian President Vladimir Putin. Then Trump pulled out the 2016 electoral map "I see tremendous amounts of red on both"
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:You don't think it hasn't gotten this bad before? We've come back from worse, and we will again. It just takes time and reasonable people engaging with each other. I wish the Republican party would produce some. 9/10 of them seem to be maniacs. It's hard to engage with mad conspiracy theorists. How can you talk with people who think Hillary Clinton has hordes of assassins and child sex slaves? We aren't disagreeing like reasonable people on her foreign policy, they literally believe she's some sort of supervillain. Until Republicans figure out how to deal with the reality outside their heads, what are we going to discuss?
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May 25, 2017 17:58
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The Democrats are conservative enough on economic policy that anyone of any worth has already left the Republican party leadership. There's no one good left.
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May 25, 2017 17:59
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May 25, 2017 17:59
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:reasonable people I see a flaw in this plan. The Generic GOP voter isn't 'reasonable.' They've been taught that Reason itself is evil.
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May 25, 2017 18:00
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Prester Jane posted:Your wish is my command. Here is a link to a blogged version of my Narrativist Frameowrk meant specifically for non-SA people. Thank you.
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May 25, 2017 18:01
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Apoplexy posted:There is absolutely no way any time prior to this has been as bad as this. 20% of the country is heavily-armed, psychotic, and willing to go to full-scale genocidal civil war on a moment's notice. Japanese internment, Trail of Tears, American Civil War, black slavery, Jim Crow, backlash to civil rights movement, Vietnam War, Great Depression, Dust Bowl, pre- women's suffrage, Iraq War, etc etc Don't get me wrong -- we're at a pretty low point right now -- but we haven't sunk to an all-time low yet.
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ThePeavstenator posted:I mean there was a literal civil war 150 years ago and we aren't there yet That was over slavery and secession. This is over people thinking trans people are subhuman filth who shouldn't be allowed to use public restrooms and that a pizza place was running a child sex ring out of its non-existent basement.
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BarbarianElephant posted:I wish the Republican party would produce some. 9/10 of them seem to be maniacs. It's hard to engage with mad conspiracy theorists. How can you talk with people who think Hillary Clinton has hordes of assassins and child sex slaves? We aren't disagreeing like reasonable people on her foreign policy, they literally believe she's some sort of supervillain. Until Republicans figure out how to deal with the reality outside their heads, what are we going to discuss? Real fiscal management and infrastructure so that when we defeat them in the cultural war we have some way to do doughnut victory laps.
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ThePeavstenator posted:I mean there was a literal civil war 150 years ago and we aren't there yet Saying we recovered from the civil was is pretty optimistic. We're still fighting people who fly the confederate flag.
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Apoplexy posted:There is absolutely no way any time prior to this has been as bad as this. 20% of the country is heavily-armed, psychotic, and willing to go to full-scale genocidal civil war on a moment's notice. There was that other civil war that I vaguely recall... In the modern era though, I do think we're at risk of internal struggle more than at any other time. All the ingredients are there and it's *this* close to boiling over.
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May 25, 2017 18:02
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ImpAtom posted:Saying we recovered from the civil was is pretty optimistic. We're still fighting people who fly the confederate flag. A case could be made that the civil war never actually ended.
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May 25, 2017 18:02
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Apoplexy posted:There is absolutely no way any time prior to this has been as bad as this. 20% of the country is heavily-armed, psychotic, and willing to go to full-scale genocidal civil war on a moment's notice. They are armed but they aren't willing to go full-scale genocidal civil war. They are scared which is why they brandish their guns in the street. These people are pussies straight up.
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May 25, 2017 18:03
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pkay posted:They are armed but they aren't willing to go full-scale genocidal civil war. They are scared which is why they brandish their guns in the street. These people are pussies straight up. Scared people pull triggers all the time. How many unarmed black people have died because a cop (or wannabe cop) was 'scared?'
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May 25, 2017 18:04
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BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:A case could be made that the civil war never actually ended. The Civil War ended. The issue is that Reconstruction ended, but it wasn't finished.
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May 25, 2017 18:04
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ThePeavstenator posted:I mean there was a literal civil war 150 years ago and we aren't there yet We didn't have city destroying bombs back then. Unless somehow the military stays out of it, an American Civil war now would likely be catastrophic.
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There Bias Two posted:There was that other civil war that I vaguely recall... I really probably should've specified 'within the last 50 years', haha. I think the actual Civil War might eclipse this and all, at least until it turns into Rwanda 2.0.
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May 25, 2017 18:04
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Any "reasonable Republicans" today are actually conservative Democrats.
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May 25, 2017 18:05
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RuanGacho posted:Real fiscal management and infrastructure so that when we defeat them in the cultural war we have some way to do doughnut victory laps. We already won that argument. They don't care.
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Bhaal posted:If I ever Twist yourself midair, and scream "I'm sorry I'm sorry" when you land. Claim he whispered threats at you as he leaned in for the shake, and that his eyes seemed unfocused, like he didn't know what was going on.
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