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Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Pick posted:

I mean, don't they worry about the strength of the system, considering they seem to intend their children--specifically their children--to inherit it?

Most Chinese people I know are very apolitical, in the sense that they have no opinion on actual politics, and only just regurgitate slogans/statements without fully knowing what they mean or their greater repercussions. If they are not wealthy, then they usually have no great love for the party, and have even less interest in knowing anything about it or their government. These are the kids of people who are too busy keeping their noses to the grindstone to make ends meet, so they don't have time to worry about the larger picture or the future of the country.

The only people who care about the strength of the system are people high-up enough in the government that know they will never be able to escape to the west as it would be seen as a defection and they would likely be returned by force or possibly extradited (legally or Israeli-style). Those are the people who are intent on shoring up their positions and making sure that they will always have the money, space, power and protection to live a life of luxury and security. This is why Uncle Xi has been purging the hell out of the CCP/PLA and trying to create a personality cult, he knows he's never going to be able to leave, and getting to this position has made him a lot of enemies. He and his crew know they have to create some manner of lasting stability for themselves, and if they can't overturn term limits, they have to make enough inroads and friends so that they won't find themselves black-bagged and put on trial a week after the next general election.

Everyone who is not too high-up to emigrate or too poor is busy trying to get as much money overseas as they can. As soon as they reach the "magic number" (the amount of money they think they need to live the rest of their lives in the west), they'll hop the next flight to LA/Vancouver and meet up with their kids who are already there.

As for the future of their kids? The current boomers in China are just like ours in the west. They don't care, it's all FYGM, and their worries extend as far as they expect to live.

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Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



Glenn Quebec posted:

Lol at this suggestion. "Dear police, a woman is in my garbage."

Yeah plus it's her and an army of people like her. It's practically an industry in NYC.

I lived near the redemption center in he article and it was just a steady parade of collectors digging through the same bags

https://brooklynbased.com/blog/2014/04/24/canners-versus-the-city-the-fight-for-your-recycling-bin/

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

Halfway through Tombstone right now and feeling bad for Peng Dehuai.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Snowy posted:

Yeah plus it's her and an army of people like her. It's practically an industry in NYC.

I lived near the redemption center in he article and it was just a steady parade of collectors digging through the same bags

https://brooklynbased.com/blog/2014/04/24/canners-versus-the-city-the-fight-for-your-recycling-bin/

What about 'Hello police? There's someone going through my and my neighbour' s garbage and taking paperwork. I think she's doing identity theft'?

Or hose her down with water everytime you see her.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Almost all buildings where I live have their trash locked up so hobo's can't destroy everything. Sometimes people forget to lock it and the next morning it looks like 100 raccoons got into the trash, they just toss it everywhere. We also have a locked paper recycling bin and an unlocked plastic/glass recycling bin that people generally further sort anything with a deposit to one side so the hobos can get them easier. If you lock your bottle recycling bin they will cut the lock off. If you don't sort the items with a deposit they will noisily root around for 40 min at 1am.

I still don't understand why they root around the garbage every time its unlocked, there's nothing good in there.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

caberham posted:

We don't know. There might be some arm of the government that believes in long term development but no one has heard of it.

It's actually quite opaque and every 5 years there's a giant plan or some initiative and which everyone is supposed to follow. Ages ago, it used to be CARS FOR ALL, now it's GREEN ENERGY! There are all these different government departments and largess going so no one really has a clue what the gently caress is going on. The current leadership consolidating power and removing and creating new posts is muddying the picture as well.

I guess for actual long term goals it's ONE BELT ONE ROAD? XIJINPING THOUGHT? :suicide:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yQjGZ482l8

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Blistex posted:

Most Chinese people I know are very apolitical, in the sense that they have no opinion on actual politics, and only just regurgitate slogans/statements without fully knowing what they mean or their greater repercussions. If they are not wealthy, then they usually have no great love for the party, and have even less interest in knowing anything about it or their government. These are the kids of people who are too busy keeping their noses to the grindstone to make ends meet, so they don't have time to worry about the larger picture or the future of the country.

The only people who care about the strength of the system are people high-up enough in the government that know they will never be able to escape to the west as it would be seen as a defection and they would likely be returned by force or possibly extradited (legally or Israeli-style). Those are the people who are intent on shoring up their positions and making sure that they will always have the money, space, power and protection to live a life of luxury and security. This is why Uncle Xi has been purging the hell out of the CCP/PLA and trying to create a personality cult, he knows he's never going to be able to leave, and getting to this position has made him a lot of enemies. He and his crew know they have to create some manner of lasting stability for themselves, and if they can't overturn term limits, they have to make enough inroads and friends so that they won't find themselves black-bagged and put on trial a week after the next general election.

Everyone who is not too high-up to emigrate or too poor is busy trying to get as much money overseas as they can. As soon as they reach the "magic number" (the amount of money they think they need to live the rest of their lives in the west), they'll hop the next flight to LA/Vancouver and meet up with their kids who are already there.

As for the future of their kids? The current boomers in China are just like ours in the west. They don't care, it's all FYGM, and their worries extend as far as they expect to live.

So basically strip it and dump? But then where do they expect to go, America? In that case, are they invested in ensuring America's economy is robust?

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Pick posted:

So basically strip it and dump? But then where do they expect to go, America? In that case, are they invested in ensuring America's economy is robust?

They plan to be dead by the time anything catches up to them/their country. It's boomer mentality the world over.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Baronjutter posted:

They plan to be dead by the time anything catches up to them/their country. It's boomer mentality the world over.

This right here!

I've seen Chinese parents actively interfere with their daughter's love-life/career because it is affecting the quality of care they are receiving from them. How old are these kids and their parents? Sometimes mid-20's and early 50's. Nothing like ensuring your daughter is a left-behind woman who will never get married or advance in her career so that she can take care of you for the next 25 years (at least 20 of which you will be more than capable of taking care of yourself).

It's like China dialled boomer FYGM mentality up to "11".

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
Once you open a good bottle of wine, everyone wants a sip.

But nobody ends up buying it because it's practically empty and used up.

:suicide:

SaltyJesus
Jun 2, 2011

Arf!
A Chinese company is offering free training for US coal miners to become wind farmers

https://qz.com/990192/a-chinese-company-wants-to-retrain-wyoming-coal-miners-to-become-wind-farmers/

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Haier posted:

Dragon Bort Festival is coming, and guess what everyone I know wants to do? All go to Hong Kong on the same day, or go to some mountain that everyone else wants to go to at the same time. They get upset when I ask why not do it at a time with less people, like I am asking them to not have any holiday at all. Then comes the whining "OMG, SO MANY PPL" when they do go.

EDIT: National day, Oct. 1st, 2016. "Lettuce go to the great wall!"



The honest-to-God best time I have had so far this period in China was during Spring Festival when like 3/4ths of the city disappeared overnight. Being on the sidewalk or outside was akin to being in any large US or European city on an average day. Calm, manageable, and quiet. [b]China would seriously own if there were less people.[b/]


You know how in historical wars, anything that involves China always ends up involving 100,000 dead civilians at least? Apply statistics to a population as big as China and anything negative thing becomes terrifying.

Think of how many stupid idiots exist in any country, and apply that percentage to 1,300,000,000. I mean just dumb fuckers seem to exist everywhere and in every group, and now you have a country where the dominant cultural pressure is to do what other people do when you want to have fun. Add to this 5000 years of ecological devastation and now there's a country where you have a really limited amount of cool places to visit, and an everpresent throng of dumbasses who see no problem staring at the back of a village auntie's head for 10 hours while they supposedly experience the Great Wall.

People take polls in first-world countries all the time and ask people questions like, "do you think lizards are dogs" and there's like 10% of people that say yes. could you imagine 130 million dumbasses in a country where there's like, 5 vacation spots in popular knowledge? I've never met a single Chinese person who wanted to visit huangshan or jiuzhaigou at peak hours because they are sensible human beings but that doesn't matter at all when there's millions of of idiots ready to pack up their bags and create a human sweat lodge and there's only so much space on a footpath.

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


SaltyJesus posted:

A Chinese company is offering free training for US coal miners to become wind farmers

https://qz.com/990192/a-chinese-company-wants-to-retrain-wyoming-coal-miners-to-become-wind-farmers/

:thunk:

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS
Ha, reminds me of that Xavier renegade angel EP where the scientist enslaves whirlwinds

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

SaltyJesus posted:

A Chinese company is offering free training for US coal miners to become wind farmers

https://qz.com/990192/a-chinese-company-wants-to-retrain-wyoming-coal-miners-to-become-wind-farmers/

A redditor helpfully pointed out that the coal miners already declined a more generous package from their own country. Coal miners are proud, but not for quite as long as other professionals.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I try to have as much sympathy as possible for the rural poor, they're in a really bad situation, but then they slap away hands trying to help them unfuck them selves and transform their economy into something relevant it's hard to remain sympathetic.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Baronjutter posted:

I try to have as much sympathy as possible for the rural poor, they're in a really bad situation, but then they slap away hands trying to help them unfuck them selves and transform their economy into something relevant it's hard to remain sympathetic.

but enough about the chinese

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Fauxtool posted:

but enough about the chinese

It's sadly the same all over the world. The rural poor are absolutely hosed over by the system and ignored by technocrats in the capital who have declared their towns and village economically obsolete so just let em die out. But at the same time they stubbornly refuse to do anything to improve their situations and will actively fight and resist the few opportunities they're given.

nomad2020
Jan 30, 2007

I was submitting my weekly report today when I noticed that I have so far made around $1k saving my HK superior $200, with more to come. I'm not going to mention it to anyone. This is my China story.

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

You know how in historical wars, anything that involves China always ends up involving 100,000 dead civilians at least? Apply statistics to a population as big as China and anything negative thing becomes terrifying.
The herd mentality still takes over no matter how dumb or intelligent people are here. It is built into the culture, and peer pressure wins out many times over anything. People are expected to bow down to it. If you take your statistic of 130 million dumbos and make just one of those the head of a household, or a badgering wife/grandpa/whatever, then the rest of the pack have to fall in line. The country is literally run by dumbos.

My favorite is watching people run whenever something involves queuing, or time sensitive such and such. Yesterday I was walking in the metro station to transfer, and we were in the long hall between train routes. One guy with a briefcase suddenly starts jogging for no reason. Within seconds a bunch of people either join in, or jog for 5-10 meters and go back to walking. If most of the people jog and then quit, everyone else will too since the signal is clear that there's no need to run. It's a mental and physical reflex that is hard to beat. I bet you could start a full-blown stampede if you just like 5-10 people in a pack during rush hour to suddenly start running without saying anything.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Baronjutter posted:

I try to have as much sympathy as possible for the rural poor, they're in a really bad situation, but then they slap away hands trying to help them unfuck them selves and transform their economy into something relevant it's hard to remain sympathetic.

I was born a bitcoin miner and I'll die a bitcoin miner, just like my daddy before me and his daddy before him. :bahgawd:

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.
There aren't many things in this world funnier than watching people in my area try to use subway turnstiles.

1. Stand in front of the turnstile for a long time, considering your next move. Everyone lines up behind you because everyone has to do the same thing as everyone else.

2. Take out your card. Contemplate the card. There is a mystery hidden inside; if only you could unlock it!

3. Wave your card ineffectively over something that is not the sensor.

4. Locate the sensor and wave your card over it.

5. Why is nothing happening? Start yelling, or take this time to answer a text, or both!

6. Locate the sensor again. This time, place your card directly on it, as the signs instruct you to do. But leave it there for a good, long time, like at least twenty seconds.

7. Stare at the opened gate. Contemplate the gate. There is a mystery here, as well.

8. After literally being pushed through, get your clothes, purse, and/or hair stuck on something, necessitating a prolonged bout of whining and even more time spent trying to get from point A to point B.

9. Congratulations! You made it through! Play a phone game as you walk to the one door that has a glob of people crammed against it, waiting, ignoring the twenty other unoccupied waiting spots on the platform.


Escalators cause similar problems, but I can't even with that right now.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I honestly think a society or region/city can be entirely summed up by two things: the state of public washrooms and escalator use. Clean public bathrooms means a combination of people caring about public infrastructure enough to have to have them cleaned and maintained properly and the common person having the decency not to poo poo or piss all over the place. People keeping to the right on escalators is also a mark of a civil society where people understand that even if they aren't in a hurry doing a tiny minor thing can make the entire system flow better for everyone.

Some places have clean enough bathrooms but horrible "escalator culture" and they tend to be wealthy but uncultured placed full of self-absorbed assholes (vancouver)
Some places have filthy horrible toilets but good people will loving keep right on escalators, these tend to be places with some culture but often a large rich/poor divide
Some places have both, and are truly bastions of civilization.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Baronjutter posted:

I honestly think a society or region/city can be entirely summed up by two things: the state of public washrooms and escalator use. Clean public bathrooms means a combination of people caring about public infrastructure enough to have to have them cleaned and maintained properly and the common person having the decency not to poo poo or piss all over the place. People keeping to the right on escalators is also a mark of a civil society where people understand that even if they aren't in a hurry doing a tiny minor thing can make the entire system flow better for everyone.

Some places have clean enough bathrooms but horrible "escalator culture" and they tend to be wealthy but uncultured placed full of self-absorbed assholes (vancouver)
Some places have filthy horrible toilets but good people will loving keep right on escalators, these tend to be places with some culture but often a large rich/poor divide
Some places have both, and are truly bastions of civilization.

Some places have neither, but DO have 5000 years of history.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.
I thought escalators were a fun place to point your toddler so that it can stay right at the top, unsupervised and terrified and wobbly, screaming for you or whatever elderly relative actually raises your kid, while you text a good three meters away. Or a good place to stop, block traffic, and devour a snack. Or an interesting new parking spot for your stroller. No? Is that not right?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Baronjutter posted:

Some places have filthy horrible toilets but good people will loving keep right on escalators, these tend to be places with some culture but often a large rich/poor divide

toronto represent

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Fojar38 posted:

toronto represent

gently caress your city

edit: apologies for the rudeness

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax
I was walking. An office man was trying to cross the road by cutting across and jumping over the 1.5m tall divider fence. He got hit by a car. His leg was totally broken and looked like it was going a few wrong directions. He was very casual about it, and the driver stood with with him while they both played on their phones. It was like 500m from a huge hospital, but I don't know if any medical response came since I didn't watch for too long.

Craziest thing? I was the only one watching this. Everyone else was ignoring this busted up dude laying in the road. A one man Kan Re Nao team. It was sad that he didn't get a good audience.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

gently caress your city

edit: apologies for the rudeness

Zanta loves even those who stray.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Baronjutter posted:

I honestly think a society or region/city can be entirely summed up by two things: the state of public washrooms and escalator use. Clean public bathrooms means a combination of people caring about public infrastructure enough to have to have them cleaned and maintained properly and the common person having the decency not to poo poo or piss all over the place. People keeping to the right on escalators is also a mark of a civil society where people understand that even if they aren't in a hurry doing a tiny minor thing can make the entire system flow better for everyone.

Some places have clean enough bathrooms but horrible "escalator culture" and they tend to be wealthy but uncultured placed full of self-absorbed assholes (vancouver)
Some places have filthy horrible toilets but good people will loving keep right on escalators, these tend to be places with some culture but often a large rich/poor divide
Some places have both, and are truly bastions of civilization.


Chomp8645 posted:

Some places have neither, but DO have 5000 years of history.

lol

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Private Speech posted:

Well frankly even BBC gets in on fellating China, though that might have more to do with government policy I guess
Well with the UK busy slamming the EU trade door in their own faces I guess they're desperate for alternatives.

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
\
:backtowork:

nomad2020 posted:

I was submitting my weekly report today when I noticed that I have so far made around $1k saving my HK superior $200, with more to come. I'm not going to mention it to anyone. This is my China story.

Spend it on alcohol at Caberham's flat on the island on Monday

There's a bar downstairs

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I was at the US consulate today and greatly enjoyed using the cleanest bathroom in the western half of China. I wanted to live in there forever.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


I remember using the one at the embassy in Beijing one time and being impressed that every fixture up to and including the soap dispensers had clearly been imported from the USA. It was glorious.

:patriot: :911:

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
My country tis of Thee

:911:

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

quote:

Misses Wang, Zhang, Huang and Cheng have this week been arrested and stand accused of academic fraud in the United States. It was revealed Ms. Wang sat the TOEFL exam for the other three students in order to help them gain visas and entrance into US universities.

The students have been charged with Conspiracy to Defraud the United States. If convicted they face a sentence of 5 years, 3 years supervised release, $250,000 fine and deportation.

The number of Chinese students facing dismissal and punishment over academic dishonesty abroad is on a steep increase. It has been revealed that over 8,000 Chinese students were kicked out of United States universities while the Times (London) reported that between 2012 and 2015, over 50,000 university students had cheated on tests. In addition, the department of immigration in Australia also cancelled the visas of over 9,000 students in 2015 due to academic dishonesty.

Until recently Chinese students when studying abroad upheld the standards of “acutely studious” and “hard working” while most were relatively poor and studying on scholarships. Today this reputation is long gone; instead it has been replaced with “wealthy”, “lazy” and unqualified.

However, it is not only the Chinese who seem to be cheating their way into university degrees abroad. Recently in New Zealand, six Saudi Arabian students were allowed to pass a degree in electronics despite being caught cheating in their final exams. Eastern Europeans are also growing a reputation for cheating in entrance exams and academic dishonesty at universities abroad. In South Korea, ten centres that helped students be accepted into universities abroad were closed down in an effort to combat rampant cheating and bribery.

2015 was dubbed the “golden age” for the overseas recruitment of students in Australia, mainly due to a surge in wealth from countries such as China. However, professors of universities from all the major countries affected sadly seem to be fighting an uphill battle between cheating students, and hunger for the overseas dollar. Many professors have quit their jobs in protest of unethical and corrupt behaviour.

Helping students from non-English speaking countries gain access to universities abroad is a booming business, in China especially. The Global Times reported, “an employee with a Shenzhen-based education agency was quoted by the People’s Daily as saying that the agency charges each student ¥276,000 for the whole process, which lasts over two years and includes up to 20 months of studying in Manila to get a “green card”. While many are legitimate and appear to follow the rule of law from both countries, many are not.

Scam after scam is being reported of unreachable promises made and excessive money spent, meaning at the end of the day vulnerable Chinese students and parents end up penniless and disappointed. While universities abroad continue to pay a commission to these agencies; it seems this trend will continue to increase.

While it remains one thing to help cheat mainlanders into universities abroad, surprisingly the very same thing is happening within Chinese mainland universities themselves.

Mainland students have been caught posing as overseas Chinese students in order to get placed into good Chinese universities. The test given to an overseas student is substantially easier than the test mainlanders have to sit. As a result, this has given way to a surge in agencies swindling people out of their money by helping them get into prestigious Chinese universities.

The Shanghai Municipal Education Commission released a statement on Chinese social media site Weibo, which says they have instructed local education bureaus to investigate cases of preschool schools unfairly testing both the prospective child and the parent. The report said that these actions, “violate basic principals of equality in education”. However, when Chinese officials tried to crack down on cheating on the “Gao Kao” (college entrance exam) recently, hundreds of parents reportedly took the streets in protest shouting, “we want fairness, there is no fairness if you do not let us cheat”.

http://www.thenanjinger.com/index.php/news/national-stories/item/2131-4-chinese-students-arrested-in-the-us-over-academic-fraud

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

My ultimate wet dream is just the basic academic rules and basic existing tax and finance laws actually aggressively enforced in BC/Canada. It would result in a massive windfall in evaded taxes and fines and clear up a lot of post-secondary slots.

big time bisexual
Oct 16, 2002

Cool Party

The Great Autismo! posted:

The report said that these actions, “violate basic principals of equality in education”

theres a will theres moe
Jan 10, 2007


Hair Elf

That's exactly what I thought of too

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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I haven't checked FB groups in a while.

quote:

Thank to invite me... anyone knows any interesting place in Chengdu for sight seeing in this Dragon Boat Festival?

sorry its not.in chengdu and have passed the.time.

quote:

Hi guys ! Me and my girls are looking for a photo shoot souvenir with traditional Chinese costume before leaving China. Any recommandations in Chengdu ? Thanks !!!!

1: yeah wenjiang district still u can make.it (Wenjiang is a suburb of half a million people covering a very large area)

2: if you like Sichuan opera,you can try

quote:

Hello all, I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with Shining Me Education?I have a job offer with them in a private kindergarten. Can't really find any reviews about them, so if anyone had any info/heard about them I'd really appreciate it!

ask for meilian organization. u should get apart time job there

quote:

Hey Folks. I'm considering a job offer in Chengdu right now and wanted some info. (Number of specific questions here)

chengdu is quite good

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