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Rinkles posted:What's this about? Players are obligated to be happy when a company does things to advertise their product!
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It's as valid as when Sean Plott got invited and immediately scrubbed out. Promotional/marketing invites don't take away from the grind, they can let in as many people as they want. If the complaint is "why bother playing MTG when I could become a HS streamer and make actual money while also making the MTG Pro Tour", then lol.
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May 25, 2017 19:52
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I remember Melissa DeTora getting a special invite to Pro Tour Gatecrash and people lost their loving minds. Example: http://www.starcitygames.com/article/25481_Congratulations-Youre-Exempt.html
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May 25, 2017 19:52
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:It's as valid as when Sean Plott got invited and immediately scrubbed out. Promotional/marketing invites don't take away from the grind, they can let in as many people as they want. If you're trying to get on the PT to make money, you're a complete fool. The accomplishment should mean something.
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May 25, 2017 19:53
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Huh that's wierd, apparently the WotC building has mysteriously been swallowed by a giant sinkhole and all that can be heard are eerie whispers coming from it saying "E-SPORTSSSS"
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May 25, 2017 19:55
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I feel like another invitational thing would have been a better outlet due to how seriously people take grinding but I also very much don't care. These tournaments have always existed as advertisement first anyway 
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May 25, 2017 19:57
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mcmagic posted:If true that is bullshit. Getting on the PT is loving hard and shouldn't be given away. It is true and honestly its a grab at his fanbase.
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May 25, 2017 19:59
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Rinkles posted:What's this about? Lol at her trying to make a dig at people while parroting for WoTC Go away Gaby, you stink
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May 25, 2017 19:59
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For the people who qualify online for the PT, do they get loaner cards or are they expected to drop $500 on a paper version of their online deck?
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May 25, 2017 20:00
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Tainen posted:For the people who qualify online for the PT, do they get loaner cards or are they expected to drop $500 on a paper version of their online deck? Depends on if they can find someone willing to loan them the cards, I imagine
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May 25, 2017 20:01
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Most PTs they give slots away. They've been doing this for ages.
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May 25, 2017 20:01
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Weird it looks like they changed their website too.
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May 25, 2017 20:02
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gently caress adjacent card games, WotC should invite all sorts of people. Sports players, actors, whoever. I wanna watch Twitch meltdown as Zac Efron resolves a Brainstorm.
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May 25, 2017 20:03
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May 25, 2017 20:19
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https://twitter.com/OwenTweetenwald/status/867817356931641344 I'm glad he said up front that he doesn't feel strongly in either direction, because I definitely would have gotten the wrong impression.
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May 25, 2017 20:30
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They got rid of Modern because it didn't show enough new cards on the stream, so anything after that point wasn't going to contradict that it's more of a commercial than a legit competition
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May 25, 2017 20:31
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New players are not going to be able to tell the difference between the coverage of a GP or a PT. Why not give out promotional invites to GP's instead?
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May 25, 2017 20:35
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Pro = promotional and whatever they want to do with their own promotional tour is basically fair game. People seem to continually think that pro = professional and anything that undermines the grind that people put into getting to a PT is offensive.
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May 25, 2017 20:36
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TheKingofSprings posted:Players are obligated to be happy when a company does things to advertise their product! Yeah weird line of attack, regardless of whether they should or shouldn't invite this guy (I genuinely don't care).
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May 25, 2017 20:37
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mcmagic posted:New players are not going to be able to tell the difference between the coverage of a GP or a PT. Why not give out promotional invites to GP's instead? Because no one cares about GPs.
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May 25, 2017 20:38
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Rinkles posted:Because no one cares about GPs. They are covered pretty much the same way as PTs.... Also gently caress anyone who justifies this with "Life's Not Fair" I hate that.
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May 25, 2017 20:40
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mcmagic posted:They are covered pretty much the same way as PTs.... I wish
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May 25, 2017 20:43
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Rinkles posted:What's this about? I don't really have a strong opinion as far as if this delegitimizes grinding or something but this is the same company that tried to slash pro player benefits so lol at acting like Wizards is trying to do something for us out of the goodness of their hearts. e: Also this is another episode in the continuing saga of WotC trying to fit their square peg of MTG into the round hole of e-sports.
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May 25, 2017 20:48
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https://twitter.com/bazardebagda/status/867829652181590017
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Has WotC said something to the effect of "instead of 5 of you grinders, we're inviting these ✧･ﾟ: *✧･ﾟ:* special *:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧ people"? I don't get why actual pros/grinders would even care about this other than some vague sense of "it ruins the prestige", which is absurd when you look at what the PT actually is.
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May 25, 2017 20:51
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They should also invite Kate Upton imo
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May 25, 2017 20:52
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He'll be one out of 100s of people there. I don't get why this is a big deal.
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May 25, 2017 20:54
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I figure it has 0 effect on any magic player not at the PT. If it wasn't given as a promo that slot would likely just not exist. At the PR it may jack up the day 1 draft pod a bit and give people playing them a near bye. It's pretty low down the Things To Get Mad At WOTC For.
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ShaneB posted:Pro = promotional and whatever they want to do with their own promotional tour is basically fair game. People seem to continually think that pro = professional and anything that undermines the grind that people put into getting to a PT is offensive. http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/77503582276/ive-heard-some-say-the-pro-in-pro-tour-stands Maybe people think that because that's what it's been explicitly stated to be.
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ThePeavstenator posted:I don't really have a strong opinion as far as if this delegitimizes grinding or something but this is the same company that tried to slash pro player benefits so lol at acting like Wizards is trying to do something for us out of the goodness of their hearts. Continual growth is not sustainable, so I don't know why it seems to wind up being the goal so often. Quiet and steady success is underrated, but I guess it's not as exciting as explosive growth. edit: That was dumb to say, I know why. It's just too bad, is what I was trying to get across. odiv fucked around with this message at 21:06 on May 25, 2017 |
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Soul Glo posted:They should also invite Kate Upton imo That is coverage I would definitely watch. PhyrexianLibrarian posted:Has WotC said something to the effect of "instead of 5 of you grinders, we're inviting these ✧･ﾟ: *✧･ﾟ:* special *:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧ people"? I don't get why actual pros/grinders would even care about this other than some vague sense of "it ruins the prestige", which is absurd when you look at what the PT actually is. Doesn't take a spot away from a single grinder. ThePeavstenator posted:I don't really have a strong opinion as far as if this delegitimizes grinding or something but this is the same company that tried to slash pro player benefits so lol at acting like Wizards is trying to do something for us out of the goodness of their hearts. She does have a somewhat unique perspective of WOTC due to her professional relationships with them. She also probably hasn't had to worry about money in a long time, so the costs associated with being on the pro tour are something that isn't as meaningful to her.
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:Has WotC said something to the effect of "instead of 5 of you grinders, we're inviting these ✧･ﾟ: *✧･ﾟ:* special *:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧ people"? I don't get why actual pros/grinders would even care about this other than some vague sense of "it ruins the prestige", which is absurd when you look at what the PT actually is. they did not, which makes this whinging about it very disingenuous. however, they should give special invites to people who you know, actually play magic, cause it seems like this dude is more a hearthstone streamer then anything
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odiv posted:I really hope no one is saying they're doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. They're hoping to get a bigger and sell packs, virtual and otherwise. Some people just think that WotC and players' interests are aligned in growing the "brand". Gaby didn't directly say that but the framing of her tweet was "WotC is just trying to expand their game for us and you're upset about it!?!".
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I wasn't following any mtg online presence during it but did the same reaction kick in for when Sean Plott was invited to the PT? I am aware of about 20-ish people that discovered mtg exclusively from his participation and began playing. I do think it is kinda lovely to the people grinding away to stay on the train but from Wizards perspective if they can get some new mtg players by getting a big name HS streamer to hype mtg it seems like a good move for them. That being said I have no idea who the person is.
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I loving dislike everything about the pro tour that isn't related to the games being played on the tables. The pptq system that has taken over competitive play at every lgs and pushed out everything else. The incredible cost to building decks AND traveling to events for a very small chance to qualify. The culture of grinders and what it does to local scenes. The overwhelming disadvantage for anyone who qualifies that isn't part of one of the major pro groups being the pot of gold after the unlikely event you qualify.
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Seems like a dumb decision because WotC could just organize a celebrity invitational. That would be a much better way to show off star power than pitting celebrities against people who spent two weeks constantly grinding away on the formats.
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May 25, 2017 21:15
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The bigger question is why is this a big deal suddenly. It goes back to at least 2013 if not earlier.
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Alaan posted:The bigger question is why is this a big deal suddenly. It goes back to at least 2013 if not earlier. If it's a dumb idea now then it's right to yell about it now.
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ShaneB posted:Pro = promotional and whatever they want to do with their own promotional tour is basically fair game. People seem to continually think that pro = professional and anything that undermines the grind that people put into getting to a PT is offensive. https://twitter.com/maro254/status/833009346921451520 Mark with the clairvoyant answer
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clamiam45 posted:Seems like a dumb decision because WotC could just organize a celebrity invitational. That would be a much better way to show off star power than pitting celebrities against people who spent two weeks constantly grinding away on the formats. Actually I like this idea. Take 16 highly popular "influencers" or e-sport streamers, give them a crash course and have them draft the latest set. See how the viewership compares when you use people who are actually comfortable in front of a camera. It won't stop pros from complaining that they weren't invited, but at least it'll cut down on the "sanctity of the game" gripes.
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