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TildeATH posted:As opposed to corporate whores? Our record is good so far! 
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Native Corp. The Japanese corp is going to treat us like garbage and the Nuge is a has been.
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May 26, 2017 04:24
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TildeATH posted:As opposed to corporate whores? As opposed to literally anyone else, yes
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May 26, 2017 04:27
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Dong Quixote posted:Native Corp. The Japanese corp is going to treat us like garbage and the Nuge is a has been. Japanese corp also pays far and away the most.
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May 26, 2017 04:29
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Quinntan posted:Japanese corp also pays far and away the most. Look man I'd rather commit warcrimes on my feet than get rich on my knees.
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May 26, 2017 04:30
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I find it amusing that a number of the people who were all "We're mercenaries guys, we only care about cash" when some of us refused Desantos offer of 200million are picking the option that promises to pay the least. 
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Dong Quixote posted:Look man I'd rather commit warcrimes on my feet than get rich on my knees. we can use the money to commit bigger warcrimes later.
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May 26, 2017 04:32
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I find it amusing that a number of the people who were all "We're mercenaries guys, we only care about cash" when some of us refused Desantos offer of 200million are picking the option that promises to pay the least. There's more to life than money--there's character, there's strength of heart, there's napalming the Nuge and annihilating corporate wageslaves.
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May 26, 2017 04:35
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Sponsored by Vitaminwater still says BSNC.
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Yooper posted:Mitsuhashi I don't feel like going bankrupt from not getting paid. And I definitely don't feel like getting smoked by an Aegis destroyer. We have a force that's perfect for slapping around anemone air forces and hordes of light attack ships (Brimstones and Mavericks, anyone?) Quinntan posted:Using the example of our operations in Angola, let's try to figure out the impact halving our destructobux will have. Seriously, this. The Natives might be the most fun option, but they can't pay us. I for one, would like to be able to buy a MEKO frigate.
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May 26, 2017 04:51
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I kinda like the idea of us starting off with a lovely boat we yoinked from the Japanese. It shall be the humble beginnings for our might sea fleet.
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David Corbett posted:Only 8,000 people live on the Aleutian islands, and they're spread over a land area half of the size of Belgium. I'm not sure exactly what we hope to gain by their support. quote:Even if we somehow assumed that every Native American in Alaska was cool with secession, that leaves us with, uh, 110,000 people. Don't ask me where they'd live. That's hardly enough for a functioning country. We can safely assume that the rest of Alaska is not on board, given that they currently make up one of the three factions in theatre. quote:I'm just saying that armed minority ethnic separatist movements have a terrible track record with respect to such things as human rights" or "success". As, for that matter, do armed American secessionist movements. Especially, one presumes, would be armed American secessionist movements operating in direct contravention to United Nations mandates. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Also, it's a multi-ethnic secessionist group. quote:One presumes that we could have enjoyed tacit Chinese support (provided that they were willing to start the third world war, which in India they weren't), except that they hate our guts and want to see us dead. No use crying over freed Tibetans. Besides, I bet South Korea at least would be more than happy to see some Japanese taken down a peg. quote:The other two options are much safer, and Mitsuhashi has the most votes. As for the votes, that remains to be seen.
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The Sandman posted:One of those options has us required to follow the orders of people who know nothing about warfare with exacting precision and no room for our own judgement, and the other leaves us beholden to the crazed whims of a washed-up musician. Neither of these is really a fit for our preferred style wherein we're given general objectives and the operational freedom necessary to best achieve them. The natives at least recognize that if they're hiring someone to fight their war for them they should let those people determine how best to fight the war. Being beholden to the orders of a company that doesn't really know what it's doing does impose some interesting challenges for us. We're likely to see tougher missions than normal, and I for one would like to plan operations with those sorts of challenges. It'd be far more interesting than "OOPS WE HAVE NO MONEY WE CAN'T AFFORD BOMBS LOL". The natives are in no position to actually fight or, more importantly for us, finance the war. IF WE WORK FOR THE NATIVES, WE WILL GET HOSED Quinntan fucked around with this message at 05:18 on May 26, 2017 |
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May 26, 2017 05:06
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On the other hand, the only thing better than buying a boat is stealing a boat, and we aren't going to get away with stealing one from our employer. Working for the natives means we potentially can jack something actually kind of decent, and given the prices of those things that might singlehandedly cover any financial opportunity costs. Alaska for the Alaskans. The original ones.
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May 26, 2017 05:21
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A native Alaska for native Alaskans.
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Natives. let's do it
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The Sandman posted:
Actually unless I've terribly miscounted the Natives have maintained a fairly healthy lead.
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power crystals posted:On the other hand, the only thing better than buying a boat is stealing a boat, and we aren't going to get away with stealing one from our employer. Working for the natives means we potentially can jack something actually kind of decent, and given the prices of those things that might singlehandedly cover any financial opportunity costs. So you're suggesting we try (we may well fail, after all) to steal a boat to make up for the inevitable massive financial losses we will incur... The mind boggles.
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Quinntan posted:So you're suggesting we try (we may well fail, after all) to steal a boat to make up for the inevitable massive financial losses we will incur... This sort of thinking occurs on every scale of human endeavour. One is forced to wonder at some point whether most of humanity is malicious or foolish. E/N - Sim Warfare Making Me Despair for Humanity 
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Quinntan posted:So you're suggesting we try (we may well fail, after all) to steal a boat to make up for the inevitable massive financial losses we will incur... it will be the perfect crime
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sebmojo posted:it will be the perfect crime If we're motivated by the need to keep our accountant from killing us, we will achieve the greatest of wonders.
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sebmojo posted:it will be the perfect crime It'll be even more perfect when the ship we're trying to steal is at the bottom of the ocean along with a bunch of our fighters.
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Quinntan posted:It'd be far more interesting than "OOPS WE HAVE NO MONEY WE CAN'T AFFORD BOMBS LOL". OR ! That could happen because some fuckstain in middle management didn't properly support the "get bombs to the mercs" project. Forget working for Mitsuhashi, we'd have as much freedom of action as a minimum wage retail worker,
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mllaneza posted:OR ! That could happen because some fuckstain in middle management didn't properly support the "get bombs to the mercs" project. Forget working for Mitsuhashi, we'd have as much freedom of action as a minimum wage retail worker, We'd be responsible for our own supply, like in Angola and Tibet. We'd also be far better paid (and actually able to afford our ordnance) working for Mitsushita.
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Argh I'm really torn. On the one hand down with Capitalism and the Nuge. On the other hand, Capitalism pays our bills, and working for the Japanese still means we get to screw with Ted. Screw it I'm going Ace Combat on this.... *edit* Changed my vote Renaissance Spam fucked around with this message at 20:28 on May 26, 2017 |
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Quick question, but the CMANO engine hard limits load-out options right? So we can't have the Saudi Tornado's use 1000lbs bombs other than the lovely British Mk13? The Brimstones more than make up for it, but It would be nice to have the option to use the objectively better US Mk83 family. EDIT: While we're on the subject of Tornado's, why do none of the load-outs have more than 2 guided AtG munitions? Is it an aircraft limitation? omegasgundam fucked around with this message at 06:23 on May 26, 2017 |
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May 26, 2017 06:07
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Considering their 'best lobbyists in the world' I'm sure we'll find a few opportunities for supplemental income with the natives if we end up there.
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Vote Mitsu, Vote Bote!
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Natives, because the world is going shadowrun and that needs inexplicably powerful native american nations as much as it needs corporate skulduggery
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Natives. Mitsu thinks it can blackmail us. Nuke them.
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Loel posted:Im voting preferentially and you cant stop me Yeah fuckit, there's no way the Nuge will win so he goes on the bottom of my list too. However, I made one slight alteration 1. Go rogue 2. Mitsuhashi 3. Nativecorp 4. Iceberg
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NewMars posted:Natives. Mitsuhashi is not Mitsubishi. 
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Self hatred, ethnic cleansing and making enemies with the US and Japan and Mitsuhashi over getting paid, eh? Well, Yooper's a good GM, he'll make it workable somehow. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 07:28 on May 26, 2017 |
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Mitsuhashi is not Mitsubishi. No, but Yooper said that they're connected, so we can probably expect some complication from that angle. E: Yooper posted:Correct. These are not the same corporations.
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Presuming the Natives do win the vote, what exactly do we get paid with to cover operational losses, munitions, and replacement planes or equipment upgrades if they can't even really give us bonus payments (I think the OP says as much) and limited bases to operate out of? Not saying it can't work, just that financing's gonna have to come from somewhere!
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Didn't someone say this native secessionist group was multiethnic? That's not what Yooper's post looked like, but even if not they're no doubt chasing out the majority of the population which means genocide. That said I'm voting 1. Mitsuhashi. Secondary vote: 2. Going Rogue wedgekree posted:Presuming the Natives do win the vote, what exactly do we get paid with to cover operational losses, munitions, and replacement planes or equipment upgrades if they can't even really give us bonus payments (I think the OP says as much) and limited bases to operate out of? Not saying it can't work, just that financing's gonna have to come from somewhere! It's coming from their 11,000 personal accounts? If every single native supports this and gave 10,000 to the cause, including the children, that's 110 million for the entire campaign.
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wedgekree posted:Presuming the Natives do win the vote, what exactly do we get paid with to cover operational losses, munitions, and replacement planes or equipment upgrades if they can't even really give us bonus payments (I think the OP says as much) and limited bases to operate out of? Not saying it can't work, just that financing's gonna have to come from somewhere! Hopes and dreams. Seriously. If we'd half the destructobux in Angola, we'd have had to sell off some Gripens to pay out the dividend, never mind being able to buy new ones.
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Maybe they can pay us in Shadowrun magic and control the weather for us in future campaigns? Thankfully the GM is too competent to leave Hayard Gunnes broke and friendless as a consequence. He's the one who put it down as an option after all, there must be a way to make it work, even if it's pants on fire insane. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 07:40 on May 26, 2017 |
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