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IRL though my first viewing order was: friend fastforwarding though VHS's of the OT to show me the lightsabre battles. the rest in cinema.
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UmOk posted:I literally apologized. And not the goon hyperbole "literally", but the actual dictionary literally. I am sincerely sorry that you are so sensitive. Please don't "call me out" on my totally serious Stark Wars viewing order. If this thread were Star Wars I would be Obi-Wan (calm, cool) and you'd be Jar Jar (dumb annoying etc.)
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Lampsacus posted:New viewing order: Your missing 2 which owns and is very important.
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euphronius posted:Your missing 2 which owns and is very important.
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euphronius posted:Your missing 2 which owns and is very important. I don't think Rogue Two came out yet
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Lampsacus posted:2 is extremely redundant tbh. III shows the power of Anakin way better. As does I. Episode II isn't really about showing Anakin's power. It's about showing Anakin and Padme falling in love, Anakin's response to losing his mother, and the Sith exploiting political rifts within the Republic to create a crisis that causes the Senate to grant Palpatine emergency powers. The story doesn't work without it. Lampsacus posted:New viewing order: Rogue One is totally ancillary to the main narrative. It only exists to explain a background element of the plot that doesn't have much true significance to the thematic arc of the saga. Your viewing order leaves jarring gaps in the actual story while adding two hours' worth of what is basically filler. Yaws posted:If this thread were Star Wars I would be Obi-Wan (calm, cool) and you'd be Jar Jar (dumb annoying etc.) Obi-Wan's a vaguely bigoted colonialist jerk. Jar Jar's a humble everyman. But yeah saying TESB sucks is extremely hosed up. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 10:08 on May 26, 2017 |
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May 26, 2017 10:05
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Cnut the Great posted:Rogue One is totally ancillary to the main narrative. It only exists to explain a background element of the plot that doesn't have much true significance to the thematic arc of the saga. Your viewing order leaves jarring gaps in the actual story while adding two hours' worth of what is basically filler.
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May 26, 2017 10:38
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Obi-Wan Kenobi is a closeted homosexual who is nonetheless living an extremely fulfilling life of swashbuckling adventure.
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May 26, 2017 10:54
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Yaws posted:FUUCCCKKK! Obi-Wan, ladies and gentlemen, cool and calm.
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May 26, 2017 13:04
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Cnut the Great posted:Obi-Wan's a vaguely bigoted colonialist jerk. Jar Jar's a humble everyman. Obi-Wan is a noble warrior who sacrificed himself for his friends. Jar Jar is a bumbling fool. You're Jabba btw
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May 26, 2017 14:25
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http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/mark-hamill-star-wars-nerdMark Hamill posted:Likewise, after reading Rian Johnson’s script for The Last Jedi, Hamill said, “I at one point had to say to Rian, ‘I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you’ve made for this character. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you’ve created and do my best to realize your vision.’
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May 26, 2017 15:29
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drat, so maybe this actually is going someplace interesting.
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May 26, 2017 15:30
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Basebf555 posted:drat, so maybe this actually is going someplace interesting. Yeah this is good news
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May 26, 2017 15:33
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Yaws posted:You're Jabba btw I was cleared of those charges.
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May 26, 2017 15:39
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https://twitter.com/shdysufjantweet/status/867901651113328640
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May 26, 2017 15:45
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Mark Hamill has had some really bad ideas for Luke over the years so Rian doing the exact opposite of what he thinks is right is a good sign
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May 26, 2017 15:49
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Did Hamill like the old EU stuff at all?
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May 26, 2017 15:59
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Cat Machine posted:Mark Hamill has had some really bad ideas for Luke over the years so Rian doing the exact opposite of what he thinks is right is a good sign See also: Sigourney Weaver
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May 26, 2017 16:04
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Hamill's ideas sound terrible. I think he's right that having Rey go from zero to laser sword pro with just a single Force vision was kinda crap, though. Unless the point was that the very ideas of "Jedi" and "using the Force requires training, Jedi or Sith" are ultimately "wrong," Rey's Force use was pretty much a reboot/revision of the Force of the OT and PT.
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May 26, 2017 16:10
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All Rey did was hit Kylo Ren really hard with her lightsaber. Nothing really pro about it. She just had no fear and confidence.
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May 26, 2017 16:17
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From those vanity fair pics it certainly looks like they're going with Darker is Better!
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May 26, 2017 16:30
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That is funny, but it's also a reminder that the reason he felt so free to answer that question is because the mystery of the prequels isn't who the Sith are or what their goals are, but how they intend to accomplish those goals. The "how" is also the key to what the films are most deeply about, and so it's not just an arbitrary mystery element, whereas leaving the identity of the villains a secret would be. It's the same reason Count Dooku is immediately name dropped as the culprit at the beginning of Attack of the Clones--to make it clear that that's not what the mystery is really about. The real mystery is a much more complex one having to do with Count Dooku's motivations, and how he fits into the web of strange connections linking the attempts on Padme Amidala's life with the bounty hunter Jango Fett, the clone army on Kamino, the dead Jedi Sifo-Dyas, the mysterious man called "Tyranus", and the ongoing Sith plot (the mystery is solved for the audience in a single line at the end when Sidious refers to Dooku as Darth Tyranus and commends him for starting the war on schedule). It's an intentionally offbeat storytelling method that Lucas makes consistent use of throughout the prequel trilogy to direct the audience's thinking down specific, otherwise non-obvious avenues. So hopefully there's a really good answer for who Rey's parents are that somehow manages to intimately tie into the larger themes and message of the sequel trilogy--making the process of discovery meaningful from a fundamental storytelling standpoint--otherwise it'll simply remain yet another pointless Abrams mystery box ploy. CelticPredator posted:All Rey did was hit Kylo Ren really hard with her lightsaber. Nothing really pro about it. You can come up with a lot of justifications for it, but the fact is it just doesn't feel right because you have the Darth Vader of the sequel trilogy--who was introduced as being so far beyond previous dark siders in the series that he was able to literally freeze blaster bolts in mid-air--getting owned by a neophyte who just discovered the Force, with a paper-thin "well he was injured" excuse thrown in. The problem is that every Star Wars movie needs an epic lightsaber battle involving the big bad villain and a hero character. A New Hope and The Phantom Menace solved this problem by having older, experienced Jedi characters in the mix. Abrams didn't have that option because he was, by his own admission, so at a loss for how to write new characters that were capable of holding their own with Luke that he had to throw up his hands and hide Luke away on an island for the whole movie. Hamill's right--that would have been a really good time to have Luke show up. But Luke's apparently a self-hating screw-up in the new movies, so I guess that wouldn't have made sense. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 16:55 on May 26, 2017 |
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May 26, 2017 16:38
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Shot with a gun explicitly established as being really damaging, emotionally compromised, trying to take her alive - this is paper thin?
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hiddenriverninja posted:Did Hamill like the old EU stuff at all? Lord Hydronium fucked around with this message at 17:24 on May 26, 2017 |
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May 26, 2017 17:20
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Cnut the Great posted:You can come up with a lot of justifications for it, but the fact is it just doesn't feel right because you have the Darth Vader of the sequel trilogy--who was introduced as being so far beyond previous dark siders in the series that he was able to literally freeze blaster bolts in mid-air--getting owned by a neophyte who just discovered the Force, with a paper-thin "well he was injured" excuse thrown in. She had been fighting using the force for some time on Jakku with her staff. She didn't know she was doing it, but Luke didn't know until the end of A New Hope that he was using the force to shoot womprats.
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May 26, 2017 17:32
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I'm sure Hamill sees Luke as a hero who, while conflicted, would never actually fall to the Dark Side. The fact that Luke may actually need to be redeemed, and that he may not even think of himself as a Jedi anymore, probably doesn't sit well with him. I mean my guess for who "The Last Jedi" refers to is definitely Rey, not Luke. They've been teasing that there's a gigantic twist somewhere in this movie, and Luke being revealed as a villain would probably fit that bill. Not that he wouldn't eventually be turned back to the Light but I doubt Hamill would be happy about even a temporary heel turn.
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May 26, 2017 17:39
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Anakin manifested his connection to the Force by podracing and winning as a human, despite his deficient human reflexes; he became known as a great pilot. Luke Skywalker owned two vehicles and was an excellent pilot of the faster of the two (though this mostly ended up on the cutting room floor); before he was able to command the Force to do his bidding, he'd listened to it to destroy the Death Star. Rey drives a tractor and hits people with a quarterstaff, but is not shown to be any kind of prodigy or really even talent; the Force wakes up, and then she can use it. The Force Rebooted is about getting the younger cast into lightsaber battles as fast as possible, regardless of what the other movies said.
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May 26, 2017 17:47
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The Force works in mysterious ways
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It was established that Rey was an excellent fighter already . Makes sense she could handle a laser sword
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May 26, 2017 18:16
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Also Kylo was injured and may just not be very good on his own .
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May 26, 2017 18:17
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euphronius posted:It was established that Rey was an excellent fighter already . Makes sense she could handle a laser sword I don't care about her beating Kylo Ren, he was injured. It is her calling the laser sword and using it that I think are the revision; a staff is not very much like a sword.
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Edit . Too snarky.
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You don't need the force to use laser swords. 4 armed cyborgs can use them too, as well as jetpack terrorists
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El Burbo posted:You don't need the force to use laser swords. 4 armed cyborgs can use them too, as well as jetpack terrorists Yeah but they didn't have a permit. Also I'm watching a Giant Bomb Premium Stream of The Force Unleashed and the Rebellion sends dudes with nightsticks after Vader's secret apprentice.
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Cat Machine posted:Mark Hamill has had some really bad ideas for Luke over the years so Rian doing the exact opposite of what he thinks is right is a good sign I like how he admits that his ideas are largely terrible fanfiction that he just wants to get off his chest.
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I have 0 faith in Rian Johnson. Looper sucked rear end.
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i liked seeing a lightsaber fight between two relative amateurs. it was one of the better parts of the movie imo
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TWIST FIST posted:i liked seeing a lightsaber fight between two relative amateurs. it was one of the better parts of the movie imo Yeah, and then Rey stepped in
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Bongo Bill posted:Shot with a gun explicitly established as being really damaging, emotionally compromised, trying to take her alive - this is paper thin? We also know that that wasn't the first time she'd fought with a staff-like weapon. Safe to guess that the attack she fended off was just the latest in a long line of such incidents given that she was young and alone. The analog would be Luke flying his T-16 being sufficient to expertly fly an advanced starfighter. There's also precedent for an athletically superior opponent losing because of arrogance -- Maul stupiding himself to death after bitch-slapping Obi-Wan.
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homullus posted:Yeah, and then Rey stepped in how dare you twist my words like that
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