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 The silence that followed was not interrupted even by the sound of wind and rain outside that had once been present. Both Jessica... and George... timidly opened their eyes... ...Where in the world... is this...? It was a strange room that they had never seen before. It looked like a western smoking room. Its furnishings were stylish and expensive. It felt as though a dignified person must own this room. Preparations for black tea were set on the table, and so was a chessboard, which seemed to be halfway through a game. However, there was something strangely out of place. The black and white checkerboard pattern made it feel like chess, but it looked like a very similar yet totally different game that no one knew of. In the same way that it both looked like chess and not like chess... The furnishings of this room... no, the room itself... Though it first seemed like a western smoking room, it also felt like something completely different...   "...Jessica-chan and Kanon-kun... And Shannon? Where's Shannon...?!" "I'm right here, George-sama." "And I am here. Milady, George-sama. We apologize for bringing you to a place like this." "...What on Earth is going on? Just when Shannon took out something that looked like a butterfly wing and it started shining..." "Th, the same thing happened to me...! Kanon-kun took out this golden butterfly brooch thing, it started to sparkle, and..." BGM: Witch in Gold (cembalo) "Test us...? Do you mean... that trial you were just talking about... that we had to overcome if we wanted to be together? Is that it?" "A... a trial?" "...I haven't explained it to you yet, Milady. My apologies." "...But please, if your words just a second ago were the truth, please lend me your strength. I will give it everything I've got, so please..." "...I... I don't understand a thing that's been happening... Do you know something, George nii-san?" "A bit. I'm just as surprised as you about what's happening now. But if they say that this is an unavoidable trial and that we are essential for it, I intend to take on whatever may come." "...A trial...?" "Kanon-kun. The brooch." "Yeah..."The two of them brought the halves of the broken golden butterfly brooch closer to each other. As they grew closer, the strength of their bright yellow radiance increased.   "Wh, what do you mean...?! I don't have a clue! What the hell's going on...?!" "It's a trial. A test for a pair of lovers." "H, huuh...?!"George spoke these awkward-seeming words quickly and easily. It was such an embarrassing line that Jessica couldn't help turning red, but the expression on George's face, which was so serious that it was almost grim, forced her to tense up as well... Shannon and Kanon were just as serious. With a glow in their eyes, as though they were taking part in a sacred duel, the pair of them brought the two gold butterfly wings together. Then, the wings they held became a single brooch... and regained their magical power. An even more intense light filled the room... and the scene was burnt into the retinas of all present... as the brooch shattered and two shining things flew out of it...   Video: Demons of LoveBGM: Kina no Kaori  Suddenly, the voices of two people they had never heard before rang out. What was it? Who were they...? George and Jessica nervously opened their eyes...   "Ooh, that's weird, Furfur...!! Why are we in a place like this?!" "It really is strange, Zepar...!! There's no one but humans and furniture! Where is the witch? Where is the witch capable of summoning us?!" "Yes, we remember the name of the witch of the contract really well, don't we? Let's try calling it out, Furfur!" "Yes, you're right, Zepar!! We know the name of the witch of the contract, the Golden Witch!" "Then let's try calling her!" ""Beatriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!!""Considering their exaggerated manner, like a theater play, and their slightly humorous style of talking, it would probably be hard, at this moment, to comprehend the great power these demons possessed. When the two demons called Beatrice's name, a cyclone of gold butterflies picked up throughout the room.  "Ooh, there are two Beatrices...!" "Well, there are two of us as well. Why shouldn't there be two Beatrices every now and then?" "This is my double and my little sister. We two are the same and as a single person." "P, pleased to meet you." "It has been a long time, Beatrice-sama..." "..."  "...I feel the same. Still, it's too early to get dumbfounded."Unlike Jessica, George had maintained his composure even during this bizarre scene. After all, Shannon had already told him what would happen next.  "Demons of the contract, it has been too long...! Zepar. And you too, Furfur." "Ah, long time no see! You seem to be in high spirits as always!" "But look at your cute little sister here! Those juicy eyes must have the taste of white peaches when they grow teary...!" "Uh, ah, well, I wonder..."Zepar and Furfur latched onto Beato from either side, wearing strange smiles. Each movement they made was exaggerated yet polished, as though they were acting out a play.   "The last time...?" "The brooch, our vessel, has already been destroyed!" "Eheheheheh, in other words, our role is finished after this! Ah, yes, it has been fun, Beatrice!" "However, it was decided when the contract was made. It was decided that we must lend our power one more time before our final farewell." "So, this is truly the final miracle!" "Once is enough for the miracle of love! After all, eternal love will never be needed a second time!" "...There you have it. Lovers! Those gathered here are ones cursed to have unsuccessful love unless a miracle occurs. The power of the golden butterfly brooch, which can grant this miracle, is your last chance, and like it or not, this chance is limited to this evening! This miracle can be given only to a single pair!" "..." BGM: Fishy Aroma  "Yeah. Let's both give it our all."Shannon and Kanon exchanged a serious gaze. Both had already readied themselves to fight for the sake of their love's success. "I, I don't really get it, but I don't wanna borrow the power of some strange demon...!"Jessica was finally starting to figure this place out. These demons... were probably planning to pit her and Kanon against George and Shannon. "Let me be clear: this is none of your business! Kanon and I can handle our relationship by ourselves. I'm not obligated to put myself in the debt of some bizarre demons!" "...Milady, please listen. If we don't overcome this trial, we cannot be together..." "Jessica. Accept it. This is the only trial that can be imposed on upstart furniture wishing to be joined with a human." "More of this stuff about furniture and humans! Don't butt in... This has nothing to do with us!!" "You still haven't told Milady...?" "...I didn't know... how I should explain it." "Kanon-kun, Shannon, and you, George nii-san! Why are you listening to these creeps?! No one can stand in the way of a person's love! Why do we have to please these demons?! It's none of their business!!" "Well, it seems we have quite a troublesome blockhead among us. We could begin the game like this, but that would hardly be fair." "C, couldn't you explain it for her? I don't understand that well myself. Is there some kind of problem with the love between Jessica-san and Kanon-san...?" "Oh my! It seems you understand nothing at all!" "With our blessing, the pair can cultivate their love at their leisure! No need to worry about suspicious demons!" "However, without our blessing, your love will vanish, disappear, wither and decay." "How the hell're you so sure?!!" "...Oh, what happens if you choose not to resist it...?" "That love will end. Well, an abstract explanation isn't so convincing. Well now, how could one explain the dead end fate you're in..." "Ushiromiya Jessica, the future you two share is far more grim than you realize." "If you don't gain the miracle of magic, disaster will most certainly befall you." "Then it will cover you, fester within, and split the two of you apart." "...Even I will not be so boorish as to describe the details of that process. However, if you will not believe, Jessica, I will tell you how it ends. Kanon will stop being a servant and will leave the island. For all eternity." "You will probably leave the island yourself in search of the one you love, but such a venture will doubtless be in vain!" "Yes, and then you will mourn and hate!" "Hate who?!" "You!!" "Me?!" With a dramatic gesture, the two of them pointed at Jessica. They were saying that, if she left, the person left with regrets would be Jessica herself. "Wh, what the hell are you... saying..." "When you have lost the one you love, you will realize. You will realize how much you hate the person you were when you ran away from the trial to complete that love!" "Yes, we're messengers from the 'you' of the future! Please, at this very moment, take your love seriously and fight!" "And if you don't listen to the message of the 'you' from the future?!" "The foolish snake eating its own tail will keep on gulping!" "The endless cycle of suffering will swallow you up... and you will simply vanish." "What the... hell are you talking about...?!!"Jessica's confusion showed up on her face as anger. However, a memory of what she had heard a long time ago welled up in the back of her mind.  BGM: None After just a few years, or possibly... If Nee-san ever decides to stop working here, I think I'll stop working too...  "..." "If you give up on the miracle of magic and leave it to Shannon and George, they will be joined and leave the island. After that, Kanon will leave the island as well. That is an unavoidable fate." "Th, then what if they can obtain the miracle of magic...?" "Of course, Kanon will remain on the island, by Jessica's side for all time. He will probably start learning music with Jessica as she wished for. How their relationship will progress afterwards is a matter for the two lovers. They may deepen their relationship slowly all by themselves, as Jessica wanted..." "...However, if that happens, George-san and I will not be joined." "...We must fight this fate, by betting our futures and our happiness." "A, are you kidding me...?! What the hell...?! So if we are joined, the other pair will split apart?! What kind of demon's game is this?!!" BGM: The Candles Dance "A, and who the hell decided that?!!" "It is due to your sin of falling in love with furniture, which is not allowed to love. Didn't Kanon clearly reject you, saying that furniture was not qualified to love?! Knowing that, you chose Kanon as the one you loved. I won't let you get away with saying you didn't know...!" "..."Though she couldn't accept any of it, Jessica was unable to argue back. Then, George spoke up with that soft tone that he always used to smooth things over. However, his expression was still ruthlessly serious. "...Jessica-chan, can't you think of it this way?" "Think of it... what way...?"  "W, well, I'm not so weak that I'd lose heart over most things..." "Yes. That's it exactly. Right now, we are being tested. Tested to see who can display the strength of our feelings more strongly." "...Are you actually... satisfied with this insanity...?" "There's no need to be satisfied. When I gave Shannon that engagement ring, I swore to fight all trials and barriers that stand in my way. No matter how unreasonable or incomprehensible these trials might be, I cannot choose to avoid them."George spoke clearly, then looked at Jessica with a cold gaze. By now, Jessica almost understood. If she kept on grumbling and avoiding this demons' trial, the game between the two groups would automatically end with her defeat by default. In other words, George and Shannon would win. Then they would gain the miracle of magic, their love would be completed, and Jessica and Kanon would split apart, with Kanon eventually leaving the island and never seeing her again. "...Nothing would, make me happier than to see you step out of this trial. That way, I wouldn't have to fight you. And that would show the limits of your feelings for Kanon-kun." "Nn... gah..."It seemed as though George spoke ruthlessly, but he was actually being exceptionally fair. If it came to a loss by default, Jessica would never be able to clear away her lingering regrets. That would leave a bad aftertaste even for George.   "...Hmph. George's determination is quite impressive." "After hearing that-" "Are you still going to run away?"The two demons giggled and challenged her. Of course, George didn't laugh, but he still challenged her with cold eyes. "...And Shannon...?" "...Please forgive me, Milady. I am determined not to flinch in my resolve." "...Even if I know... that sticking to my feelings... means ending your loving relationship, Milady."Shannon had never before spoken to Jessica with such serious and solemn words. Jessica realized what a strong will had dwelt within her usually weak and clumsy friend, and was surprised. "Kanon-kun..." "I... want to start a new life with you, Milady." ...Even if that life... means crushing Nee-san's happiness... I will not falter..."Kanon was also doing all he could to restrain himself. Yes. All of them... were being serious and frank... and abandoning any naivety they might have possessed. All this about golden butterfly brooches and miracles of magic... And the trial that the demons were giving them... none of it mattered. Only one thing was being tested. Whether or not they possessed the strong will to make their love come true. Jessica clenched her fists, and hung her head, shaking, while biting her lower lip. She was silent, but she would probably gain an unswerving will of steel before too long. She just needed a little time first. The two demons who taunted people with dramatic gestures... did not violate this silence that Jessica needed to resolve herself. Love brings about conflict, and this conflict gives rise to determination. As the demons of love, they could understand more fully than any others how noble that determination was...  BGM: None "Furthermore, this magical miracle is something that can be received by you as well." "By me too...? Wh, what... do you mean...?"She had thought this had been about two pairs of lovers. Beato was surprised to suddenly hear that this had something to do with her as well... "With the miracle of the golden butterfly brooch, even your wish, your wish that your affection for Battler will be acknowledged, can be granted easily. And without a miracle, you also can never be bound to him." "..." "It means you're no outsider to this either." "To cut across the marshes of love! That is your wish, is it not?!" "We will not make light of your wish!" "...Even your relationship with Battler will eventually fester and rot. No matter how much of a positive outlook you take, you know that this fate will eventually come to pass, barring some kind of miracle." "...Well..."Beato hung her head sadly. She hadn't wanted to lose heart from that cookie incident. However, it would have been a massive lie to say that it hadn't hurt her... The more she tried to get close to Battler, the more she hurt him. However, she had been born in order to get close to Battler. She was like a hedgehog freezing in the cold and bunching together for warmth. She had approached him because of love, and had been hurt for it...  BGM: Kina no Kaori "Oh, of course!" "Welcome, second Beatrice...! We were planning on including you from the very beginning!" ""After all, we are Zepar and Furfur! The demons of love!!"" "...M, may I... join in as well...?" "If you want to, I don't see a problem. I won't prevent anyone from entering. We'll win against all hindrances and make everyone celebrate our union." "...Of course, it's the same the other way around. If you succeed in love by defeating us at our best, then both Shannon and I promise to sincerely support the pair that wins. Right, Shannon?" "Yes. We will not lose. And even if we did, we would cheer you on from the bottom of our hearts." "...I feel the same. I will not lose." "...Well, if there's no way out of this fight, let's show 'em what we've got. No matter what! Kanon-kun and I don't plan on losing." "You feel the same, do you not?" "Y, yes... If there is even a small chance that Father... ah... no... that Battler-san will acknowledge me, I'm willing to put myself on the line." "Well said. Good going, little sister. Zepar, Furfur! The actors have gathered!" "Then let's begin, Furfur!" "Yes, let us begin, Zepar!" 
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May 26, 2017 13:22
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There's a random Kinzo portrait that I think should be Kanon. Now that would be a plot twist: Kanon=Kinzo.
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May 26, 2017 13:49
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This is really pushing down on the Beatrice = Shannon = Kannon angle. Only one of the 3 can achieve the love they're wishing for? It's going to make for some awkward family reunions in the future.
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May 26, 2017 13:57
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resurgam40 posted:Even more silly haired anime girls. Wonderful. I'm so happy. Zepar and Furfur are lovely goofballs, you nerd
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May 26, 2017 13:58
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So is this what happened in that section of Episode 4 where Jessica and George killed one another? Without the Japanese television host demons, obviously. There's almost no point even pointing out the Kanon/Shannon/Beatrice parallels at this point. They're not even subtext anymore. Beatrice jumping in to make Battler fall in love with her while the other two (facets of her personality) fight to be able to go on with their loved ones. It really does come down to whether the game is leading us down the garden path, or we've got to the point where it's actually giving us the answer.
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quote:All of them... were being serious and frank... and abandoning any naivety they might have possessed. All this about golden butterfly brooches and miracles of magic... And the trial that the demons were giving them... none of it mattered. Only one thing was being tested. Whether or not they possessed the strong will to make their love come true. This truly is the confession episode. EagerSleeper fucked around with this message at 14:16 on May 26, 2017 |
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May 26, 2017 14:14
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EagerSleeper posted:This truly is the confession episode. ProfessorProf posted:There is no longer any difficulty level. By now, this is not a hint, but a confession. Huh, you're right, it really did say confession at the start of ep 6. I forgot that bit.
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May 26, 2017 14:19
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I LOVE THIS BRING IT ON BITCHES 
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May 26, 2017 15:49
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tiistai posted:Zepar and Furfur are lovely goofballs, you nerd Well, the goddamn loving forums ate my goddamn loving post again, so let me give you the bullet points of my very careful response that is now lost to the ether (it was really good too, thank you internet) -I now agree with you after hearing their kickass theme, and think they are actually pretty cool; I liked the twins from FFIX largely for their theme too, maybe I just have a thing for androgynous, silly-but-borderline-sinister twins; -I nearly called them girls, but according to their profiles, one of them is not (or maybe both of them aren't depending on how many genders you subscribe to), and that led me to remember: - this quote from Ronove: ProfessorProf posted:
-led me to examine sex throughout the story, and how explicitly sexual situations have been portrayed as negative affairs that aren't good for any party (Rosa, Rudolph) and how couples in love are portrayed as happy and not really seeking much affection (though granted, some of those couples are older, but Kessica and George have got to be the purest teenagers I've ever seen), and to wonder if there's a greater message there, -and to question whether Beatrice may be asexual as well, as she(they?) only seem to care about relationships as spiritual affairs, all storge and philios rather than eros, if you will -but it's not as if any of that is my business, let's listen to this track again: https://polsy.org.uk/play/yt/?vurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DeSQO0I5FHoc&autoplay=1 It is a shocking good track; the music has been pretty good so far. I'm still mad about losing that post.
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"...What do you mean, love?"
"My apologies. That's how it would be put if a woman were to say it. As a man, perhaps one could say it was dishonorable."
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resurgam40 posted:-and to question whether Beatrice may be asexual as well, as she(they?) only seem to care about relationships as spiritual affairs, all storge and philios rather than eros, if you will Nice summary. As for this point, there's that "love is lust and men are flies and maggots" rant of hers in EP2. Not sure if that supports or undermines your question. More importantly, EP6 and EP7 have a high concentration of my favorite tracks so look forward to them
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May 26, 2017 16:45
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witchcore ricepunk posted:I LOVE THIS BRING IT ON BITCHES Hoping aboard this  I can't believe Umineko might have a tournament arc,
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May 26, 2017 17:14
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I really want Renove to make a smug face
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May 26, 2017 17:20
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Man they're really pushing Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice hard. If this is supposed to be the full confession, what's that leave for 7 and 8?
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May 26, 2017 18:01
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Cyouni posted:Man they're really pushing Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice hard. Hot springs arc.
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May 26, 2017 18:03
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...Is that loving Fukuyama Jun? This game 
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May 26, 2017 18:06
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Cyouni posted:If this is supposed to be the full confession, what's that leave for 7 and 8? It's going to take that long for Battler to fulfill all the promises he made in the Game Master Battler side story. ZiegeDame posted:...Is that loving Fukuyama Jun? If you mean Zepar's voice actor, that's actually Mitsuki Saiga. She does a pretty good deep voice. Van Dine fucked around with this message at 18:16 on May 26, 2017 |
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May 26, 2017 18:12
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Yeah Zepar has a female voice actor despite how Zepar sounds. Naturally they have a fun song. https://polsy.org.uk/play/yt/?vurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjgBz88f3Dh8
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Wait, so what I'm getting from this is only Jessica is confused, does George know Shkannon have the same body? (Assuming that's where the game is going with this, which, yeah, does seem pretty likely at this point) Also, what's the significance of the names Zepar and Furfur? There usually is one, so I guess I'm just missing it this time.
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Graylien posted:Wait, so what I'm getting from this is only Jessica is confused, does George know Shkannon have the same body? That's what I was assuming, but I think it could equally be that Shannon told George, "Hey, you're going to have to kill some people so we can be together", and George was just totally chill with that.
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Graylien posted:Also, what's the significance of the names Zepar and Furfur? There usually is one, so I guess I'm just missing it this time. Here's what Thelemapedia has to say about those two: quote:In demonology Zepar is a Great Duke of Hell, who tries to seduce women, and if requested by them, he can change his shape into that of their beloved man, but makes them sterile. He has twenty-six legions of demons under his command. Other grimoires say that he makes women love men and brings them together in love. According to other authors, Zepar tries to seduce men by means of pederasty. ...I'm just going to ignore the pederasty part. The rest seems very accurate in terms of Kanon's situation. quote:In demonology, Furfur (other spelling: Furtur) is a powerful Great Earl of Hell, being the ruler of twenty-six legions of demons. He is a liar unless compelled to enter a magick triangle; then he gives true answers to every questions speaking with a rough voice. Furfur causes love between a man and a woman, creates storms and tempests, thunders, lightning and blasts, and teaches on secret and divine things. Furfur is also pretty appropriate here since they can create love as well.
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May 26, 2017 20:25
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So, uh, Battler is still the game master for this game, right? Which means he set up this contest which includes a woman who wants to use magic to make him fall in love with her and also calls him father. Battler, I know you've been kind of a creep since the very start but seriously, wtf.
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May 26, 2017 22:09
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Chick-Beato isn't a piece so she's willingly jumping into it though.
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May 26, 2017 23:10
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I'm pretty sure Battler had no intentions of letting innocent Beatrice to join in
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MonsterEnvy posted:Yeah Zepar has a female voice actor despite how Zepar sounds. Yes, which is one of the things about the PS3 version that makes me say "What the hell, Alchemist?"I mean, that VA is definitely consciously going that hyper low, since I'm pretty sure it's the same VAs in Ai no Shiren, so that's a deliberate decision by the voice directors, a decision that flies in the face of their "without love, you'll never know which one of us has the penis" thing.
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May 27, 2017 02:39
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Uh, who says either of them have a penis?
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alcharagia posted:Uh, who says either of them have a penis? What if one has a penis and one doesn't?
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alcharagia posted:Uh, who says either of them have a penis? (Please note that the Japanese word seibetsu is commonly used for both 'sex' and 'gender'.)
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May 27, 2017 03:40
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Yeah, like I said. Who says either of them have a penis?
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May 27, 2017 03:41
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Is there any chance Furfur is voiced by a man? 'Cause that'd just be the best
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alcharagia posted:Yeah, like I said. Who says either of them have a penis? ZiegeDame posted:Is there any chance Furfur is voiced by a man? 'Cause that'd just be the best Nah, it's Sendai Eri. That would be great, though and would actually lend to to the confusion. Fates End fucked around with this message at 03:46 on May 27, 2017 |
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May 27, 2017 03:42
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Look, Fates End, I understand, sometimes we all experience a bit of cocklust, but that doesn't mean you should project it onto poor Zepar and Furfur.
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Just chiming in... You can have two individuals be different genders AND have no penises in the room! Alternately, you can have the same situation AND have many penises! Infinite penisesssss 
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May 27, 2017 04:20
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Witchcore gets it! And that's why you're the best reader.
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witchcore ricepunk posted:Infinite penisesssss That reminds me. It really has been a while since there was a wacky FSN fight scene, hasn't it? Erika and Maria didn't quite hit that level, but it probably would have.
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witchcore ricepunk posted:Just chiming in... You can have two individuals be different genders AND have no penises in the room! Alternately, you can have the same situation AND have many penises! Infinite penisesssss But it is stated they are different sexes.
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May 27, 2017 04:37
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Does Japanese have the same difference between gender and sex as English does?
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Qrr posted:Does Japanese have the same difference between gender and sex as English does? Fates End posted:(Please note that the Japanese word seibetsu is commonly used for both 'sex' and 'gender'.)
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Fates End posted:Yes, which is one of the things about the PS3 version that makes me say "What the hell, Alchemist?"I mean, that VA is definitely consciously going that hyper low, since I'm pretty sure it's the same VAs in Ai no Shiren, so that's a deliberate decision by the voice directors, a decision that flies in the face of their "without love, you'll never know which one of us has the penis" thing. (By the way, this is stupid and the Umineko fandom pretty much had this discussion for over a goddamn year and it amounted to nothing. Don't be bad thread.)
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