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Ghetto Prince
Sep 11, 2010

got to be mellow, y'all

Lightning Lord posted:

We have already had a president who had these sorts of accusations leveled against him, Reagan. Its not 1:1 comparable, but examine his presidency.

Reagan was younger and healthier though.

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Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

Al Borland Corp. posted:

Why, are those famous gay dudes? Is it the anniversary of legalization?

It's Justin Trudeeauxe and Jesus Macaroni, king of the franks.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Yeah, that's actually something I've been wondering -- exactly how long do we / does he have before the disease can no longer be hidden? I don't know the details of how the disease progresses but it should be possible to game out a timeline.

Like others have mentioned, it's different for every person. the stages are fairly consistent though, and the patient is generally able to hide the early stages. Family members don't want to admit it, in my experience. They just think "gosh he laughs so much more now" instead of realizing he actually doesn't understand things and is covering up for that fact. we do this all the time even at full faculties. Now, this is pretty unique, since no person with that illness has ever had the combination of a.) under such constant exposure b.) had whatever underlying psychological conditions he may or may not have and c.) had the ability to talk to the world stream of thought with twitter.

As it progresses, the sort of extremes of his personality will become more prevalent. A nice person will get REALLY nice, an emotional person will get more emotional, a mean person will get cruel. This is fairly self explanatory. His ability to moderate his emotions will start to decrease. Looking back, this is always when family members will say they started to suspect something.

Then comes what's called a Definitive Incident, or when family members can't lie to themselves or ignore it anymore. This is the getting lost in a grocery store, or wandering into the street, or whatever. Family members will then learn the patient has been like hoarding tinfoil or something. A cognitive test is performed and its generally very simple, because at this point the patient will be resistant still, because they are still able to understand the implications. A doctor may simply ask what floor they're on, or ask who the president is. I worked with a guy once who, during the election, asked why the President's wife was on television. NC State engineer, still very sharp and with it, but the memory was gone.

Once they're placed in full time care, whatever their progression was prior, it will accelerate. full time care specialists are absolutely the kindest people in the world. enough cannot be said about the work these people do. however, there's something about them being in a home that makes it worse. Of course, it might just be that they're under full observation at this point.

One of the interesting things that will start to occur is called Sun downing. Essentially once the sun goes down, they will become aggressive. Doctors have no idea why this happens.

Then from there it's just a matter of time. They'll start losing all short term memory, their skills will degenerate to the point they're no longer able to perform their activities of daily living, they'll be stuck in memories from their past and constantly relive them.

They will die from it, if nothing else gets them first.

It is absolutely a horrible illness, and if I were ever diagnosed I would do everything I could to make sure I died before I lost the ability to do it, just so my family wouldn't have to take care of me.

I don't know if he has it. I'm not even close to qualified to diagnose it. But if he does have it, no person has ever had the level of stress and coverage he has. There is no way to predict how it would advance, or what the repercussions would be.

Shifty Pony posted:

His district now carves out Asheville proper and only takes the suburbs. And the suburbs around Asheville are stuffed full of people that completely define themselves around "fuk those goddamn Asheville hippy liberals". If you told them that cutting of one of their legs would cause a liberal to lose both of theirs they would ask if they cutting off both would make two liberals legless.
yeah it's....interestingly cut off, but very few people actually live within the 240 loop.

But the hippies live all over. Just because Pack Square isn't officially included, it might as well be.

https://meadows.house.gov/about/our-district

FizFashizzle fucked around with this message at 15:10 on May 26, 2017

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Ogmius815 posted:

It's Justin Trudeeauxe and Jesus Macaroni, king of the franks.

The world needs a French-themed hot dog chain called King of the Franks. :france:

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

Night10194 posted:

Didn't that basically happen with Reagan and Iran Contra?

He actually had Alzheimer's, and it was after his presidency. He couldn't even remember who the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs was.

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


There Bias Two posted:

I think they're just two attractive-looking heads of state in the same place.

And I guess there are/were rumors on Macron.

But really they just kinda look like engaygement photos for two attractive guys is all, yeah.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Zeno-25 posted:

No surprise that Gianforte won, the heartland is a culturally bankrupt wasteland of brutish moral degenerates. As a Chicagoan living in Denver, you can take my word for it.

I think we need to face what we're dealing with in many parts of this country head on.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Lightning Lord posted:

He actually had Alzheimer's, and it was after his presidency. He couldn't even remember who the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs was.

Yeah, and when the WH staff changed in 86 they basically warned everyone they might need to be ready to move on the 25th amendment.

By that time though he was just eating jelly beans while watching mujahadeen videos, and Nancy was running everything.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Reagan was much further along in his second term, from what I understand. He was basically a drooling simpleton, but his testimony was taken at face value. Of course, he had Ollie North falling on his sword for him as well.

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

robothobo.com

Ghetto Prince posted:

Reagan was younger and healthier though.
And had a lifetime of acting talent and charisma to fall back on even when everything else was failing... and he wasn't actively at war with his own staff who was doing the actual work.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

business hammocks posted:

Reagan was much further along in his second term, from what I understand. He was basically a drooling simpleton, but his testimony was taken at face value. Of course, he had Ollie North falling on his sword for him as well.

It says an awful lot about the Conservative movement that their deified hero was mentally invalid and when he'd been capable of thinking, had spent most of his time selling other people out for his own gain.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

rscott posted:

If this is like a sporting event for you, you clearly do not have as much skin in the game as other people in this thread

So did you deliberately miss the point so that you could make your own point about your moral superiority or what

Boon fucked around with this message at 14:54 on May 26, 2017

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/868098467079495680

Doesn't Trump watch Morning Joe for some reason?

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/868088473856724992
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/868085382310756352
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/868099013165363200
https://twitter.com/jonward11/status/867542451409612800

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/868080653778264065
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/867954968480763905


And finally
https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/868082816118128640

Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 14:56 on May 26, 2017

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

I wonder how much of Trump's absolute hostility is directly due to his deteriorating mental state? Has someone directly told him he's a president only for Republican voters?

punched my v-card at camp
Sep 4, 2008

Broken and smokin' where the infrared deer plunge in the digital snake

FizFashizzle posted:

Hell, Sweitzer was on the short list for VP.

whatever happened to him? You'd think a funny purple state democratic governor that literally spoke arabic (or was it farsi?) would have a political future.

He was laying the groundwork for a run in 2016, but called Eric Cantor gay and Dianne Feinstein a prostitute over the course of a single interview and that was pretty much it. There's talk he might try and run for governor again in 2020, but he was seen as the major force behind Quist getting the nomination for this seat so that could have burnt some bridges.

Also lol at anyone who doesn't think statewide elections are winnable for Democrats in Montana. We're gonna have 16 consecutive years of popular democratic governors and had two democratic senators as recently as 2014. We had a rough cycle in 2016, but before then they also controlled most of the state executive offices like superintendent of education, secretary of state, etc. This race was absolutely winnable but the democrats put up a flawed candidate and then the party didn't invest poo poo. If the party ever intends to retake any meaningful amount of power, the route is gonna run through places much less hospitable than MT.

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

Lightning Lord posted:

I wonder how much of Trump's absolute hostility is directly due to his deteriorating mental state? Has someone directly told him he's a president only for Republican voters?

That sounds like an ouroboros to me.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

This is nice and concise.Keeping this for future use.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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I would bet that a non zero amount of Republican candidates for congress in 2018 will punch or engage in some other sort of physical violence or intimidation against their Democratic opponents. They know exactly what their base rewards them for.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

FizFashizzle posted:



As it progresses, the sort of extremes of his personality will become more prevalent. A nice person will get REALLY nice, an emotional person will get more emotional, a mean person will get cruel. This is fairly self explanatory. His ability to moderate his emotions will start to decrease. Looking back, this is always when family members will say they started to suspect something.

. . .

They will die from it, if nothing else gets them first.

It is absolutely a horrible illness, and if I were ever diagnosed I would do everything I could to make sure I died before I had the ability to do it, just so my family wouldn't have to take care of me.
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One of my relatives, who had been a female executive in the forties and fifties and was a hard shell of a woman for decades, turned I to the nicest, happiest person I'd ever known while she had Alzheimer's. She just sort of drifted away on a cloud. I think she'd repressed her basic nice personality for business reasons and under the disease she turned back into the kind happy person she'd always wanted to be. I hope if I get the disease I'm that lucky.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005
6 points isn't great, but in an R+20 district it should scare the hell out of GOP strategists.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

mcmagic posted:

I would bet that a non zero amount of Republican candidates for congress in 2018 will punch or engage in some other sort of physical violence or intimidation against their Democratic opponents. They know exactly what their base rewards them for.

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/868103743228825604
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/868105147116789760
https://twitter.com/mikedebonis/status/867779339626196992


edit:
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/868105277291339778

Trump is like a Matryoshka doll of Russian connections isn't he?

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Lightning Lord posted:

I wonder how much of Trump's absolute hostility is directly due to his deteriorating mental state? Has someone directly told him he's a president only for Republican voters?
I feel like a Congressman has said something to this effect.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/867834190078906370

He's celebrating a lower than 50% approval rating less than 150 days into his presidency. :allears:

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/mike_pence/status/868102872986210304

It's official - assault a reporter, still get congratulated and welcomed by the GOP.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Alter Ego posted:

6 points isn't great, but in an R+20 district it should scare the hell out of GOP strategists.

Wrong. 6 points isn't great, nationally. In an R+20 district, it's great. If it continues into 2018, it's even better than great.

This isn't loving hard.

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

FizFashizzle posted:



One of the interesting things that will start to occur is called Sun downing. Essentially once the sun goes down, they will become aggressive. Doctors have no idea why this happens.




This is my grandmother right now. It's pretty scary to watch it happen. The last couple of months my mother says she's been getting called by g-ma exactly 10 minutes after the sun sets with her in a panic. She doesn't know where she is, what she's supposed to do, my mom has to drive over and literally tuck her into bed.

Everyone's basically resigned to her not reaching Christmas at this point, and she's probably gonna have to go into full care in the next month.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan/status/867941164829130752

Democratic voters even dumber than Republicans (he clarifies the question specifically refers to Russia hacking vote totals)

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Boon posted:

Wrong. 6 points isn't great, nationally. In an R+20 district, it's great. If it continues into 2018, it's even better than great.

This isn't loving hard.

Uh...that's what I said.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007


Excellent article.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Alter Ego posted:

Uh...that's what I said.

I'd quibble semantics, but I apologize if I misinterpreted your post.

punched my v-card at camp
Sep 4, 2008

Broken and smokin' where the infrared deer plunge in the digital snake

Boon posted:

Wrong. 6 points isn't great, nationally. In an R+20 district, it's great. If it continues into 2018, it's even better than great.

This isn't loving hard.

It's not an R+20 district though, it's an R+11 district that the exact same GOP candidate lost by 4 points like 5 months ago.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

FizFashizzle posted:

I worked with a guy once who, during the election, asked why the President's wife was on television.

to be fair, a lot of us wondered that at the time

Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.
Just watched the Netflix doc on Roger Stone. I had somehow completely forgotten Trump being a stalking horse to Pat Buchanan in 2000. Even though he's still accusing Buchanan of being a Hitler lover in the clip, but drat it's clear that Trumps speaking and orderly thought processes were in a completely different world back then. He sounds like a clever celebrity snake oil salesman compared to current confused flight of angry ideas.

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

punched my v-card at camp posted:

It's not an R+20 district though, it's an R+11 district that the exact same GOP candidate lost by 4 points like 5 months ago.

But also the D candidate was a frivolous goof.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

Al Borland Corp. posted:

Democratic voters even dumber than Republicans (he clarifies the question specifically refers to Russia hacking vote totals)

While dumb, we're in our second decade of 'electronic voting machines are unsecured unaudited pieces of poo poo' articles. Every election they pop up.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

punched my v-card at camp posted:

It's not an R+20 district though, it's an R+11 district that the exact same GOP candidate lost by 4 points like 5 months ago.

Yeah... it's an R+11 district that went +15 in 2014, +16 in 2016 just 6 months ago and +20 for Trump, okay.

But sure, you're comparing the governor race where one of the candidates toured state-wide to the house special election where one of the candidates is also the aforementioned state-wide touring candidate. And that's the same thing, sure.

Boon fucked around with this message at 15:25 on May 26, 2017

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



JFC how did I miss Trump's infrastructure plan from a couple days ago?

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Party Plane Jones posted:

While dumb, we're in our second decade of 'electronic voting machines are unsecured unaudited pieces of poo poo' articles. Every election they pop up.

Yeah, it's just sad to see Democrats completely missing the point and the actual problem with the Russia stuff and jumping to dumb conspiracy theories that make people take the real issues less seriously.

It's like with Bernie

"We're gonna hold the pharmaceutical industry accountable!"
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
"For hiding the natural cures THEY don't want you to know about with their GMOs!"
Oh no, baby! what is you doing?

John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 15:23 on May 26, 2017

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
If we're going to run around breathlessly and say the sky is falling because of a single special election, we could say that the Republicans are up 3 points compared to 2016 by looking at CA-34.

Nevermind that the sole republican candidate got 3% of the vote, but that's actually up from the zero votes republicans got there in 2016 because they didn't even bother running a candidate.

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There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person


Guess what Joe? You'll be labeled a filthy liberal now. Only liberals adhere to a sense of decency and rational thinking these days.

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