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It's fine to poo poo on the rich, the people that are causing all the poverty and misery. But don't poo poo on your fellow working class folk because they have some tall buildings near them. Pitting slightly better off working class against the slightly less well off working class has been a very long strategy by the rich and it's works. They pitted whites against blacks, locals against immigrants, union workers against non-union, and increasingly they've been pitting the urban working class against the rural working class. Aim your class rage a bit higher than the slob one wrung above you, aim for the rear end in a top hat at the top who built and owns the drat ladder.
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I feel what you're saying, but a rough upbringing is a rough upbringing. They're telling their story because that's what they know, so it's hard to fault them for it. 
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May 26, 2017 05:32
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Growing up poor anywhere sucks. I'm in San Francisco and believe me amongst the avocado toast and $300 pre fixe meals there's plenty of despair and drug use usually just around the corner on the same block.
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May 26, 2017 05:37
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I have a really hard time sympathizing with people born in privileged or exciting areas. Like say someone spins a sob story about growing up working-class in the Bronx, all I can think is "oh my god, cry me a river. You know how many of us working-class folks from rear end in a top hat of Nowhere, West Texas would literally commit murder to grow up in New York Fuckin City?" Like the previous posts said, growing up poor is still unpleasant regardless of where you do it. Putting down other poor people because they might have it slightly nicer than you isn't helpful, and as much as you think you'd like growing up poor in NYC (or similar) I think if you actually did you wouldn't enjoy it. There are probably people there pining for growing up in some farming community in the middle of nowhere instead. Instead of trying to determine who truly has it worst, maybe focus your animosity toward the system/people that made you all poor in the first place.
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May 26, 2017 08:33
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Field Mousepad posted:Put on a white zombie or rob zombie album and drink everytime he says "yeah!" Similarly, taking a drink every time Zakk Wylde plays a pinch harmonic in any of his songs. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8SamAE7G3o
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May 26, 2017 09:25
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I have a really hard time sympathizing with people born in privileged or exciting areas. Like say someone spins a sob story about growing up working-class in the Bronx, all I can think is "oh my god, cry me a river. You know how many of us working-class folks from rear end in a top hat of Nowhere, West Texas would literally commit murder to grow up in New York Fuckin City?" 
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May 26, 2017 11:53
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I have a really hard time sympathizing with people born in privileged or exciting areas. Like say someone spins a sob story about growing up working-class in the Bronx, all I can think is "oh my god, cry me a river. You know how many of us working-class folks from rear end in a top hat of Nowhere, West Texas would literally commit murder to grow up in New York Fuckin City?" Those drat urban poor people, they've got it so good with their ability to see the city they live in destroyed in Transformers 7. And when they get shot by the police, it's because of impersonal racism, not the down home style getting shot by police that happens to us rural poors!
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May 26, 2017 14:15
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Y'all are reading a lot more malice into my internet bitching than I intended 
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May 26, 2017 15:13
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Welcome to the sa forums
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May 26, 2017 15:24
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Y'all are reading a lot more malice into my internet bitching than I intended If it helps, I get what you're saying. I had the fortune to be both rural poor and city poor and city poor was more fun.
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May 26, 2017 17:16
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Solice Kirsk posted:If it helps, I get what you're saying. I had the fortune to be both rural poor and city poor and city poor was more fun. It's still dumb to think of it like some kind of lovely upbringing olympics though. Both are bad and it's pointless to be mad at other poors just because they have it marginally better than you.
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May 26, 2017 17:23
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Y'all are reading a lot more malice into my internet bitching than I intended It's like working class people attacking other working class people. People in this thread can't help but turn on other posters.
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May 26, 2017 17:29
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I finished the first 6 episodes of the original Twin Peaks and I just don't get this show and I'm quitting. A couple moments of freaky poo poo but the vast majority is super cheesy garbage. And from what I understand most of season 2 is supposed to be even worse. I wonder how confusing it would be if I just jumped right into the new series.
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May 26, 2017 17:30
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yeah I eat rear end posted:It's still dumb to think of it like some kind of lovely upbringing olympics though. Both are bad and it's pointless to be mad at other poors just because they have it marginally better than you. Oh, absolutely agree with you. Just felt bad that he was getting dog piled and figured that's more of what he meant.
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May 26, 2017 17:56
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With Twin Peaks "cheesy" is part of the weird charm. Everything just feels off, even the acting and directing. It's like a soap opera with a murderous demon lurking behind every scene. If you are 6 in already you definitely should watch at least the rest of season 1. Although it's been like 10 years since I watched it so maybe it would feel worse on rewatch. Something very bad (as in bad for the fictional people of the show) happens at the end of season 2. I haven't watched the new stuff yet but would imagine it's gonna be important.
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May 26, 2017 18:06
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I see no reason a successful America can't be built on the fundamentals and moral teachings of Dragonball Z.
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May 26, 2017 18:09
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Jastiger posted:I see no reason a successful America can't be built on the fundamentals and moral teachings of Dragonball Z. Fight aliens to see how strong you are?
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May 26, 2017 18:11
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Decrepus posted:It's like working class people attacking other working class people. People in this thread can't help but turn on other posters. People vote against their interests because, to them, they're not poor just down-on-their-luck for now. Someday their luck will change when Trump brings back those jobs and they can follow the American Dream like they were taught. And when they do get a bit wealthier or when they get their jobs back they don't want some socialists-commies coming around to steal their money and give it to the poors who are lazy good-for-nothings. As George Carlin said, "The American Dream. Because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
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May 26, 2017 18:13
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Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
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May 26, 2017 18:20
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Jastiger posted:Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." While socialism is objectively better in the moral sense, you can't deny that the appeal of having the opportunity at being rich as hell and being able to do whatever you want with no consequences (regardless of how unlikely it is) is much more appealing than "you are an important part in keeping the system going but you won't be treated like a super cool important guy".
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May 26, 2017 18:27
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Jastiger posted:Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." I think it's more likely due to the fact that while Europe was going through socialist revolts and a general move to the left of the US, Americans during that time period had a higher standard of living than most anywhere else in the world. At the time unbridled capitalism, to the average American, did not seem like it had anything that needed fixing. Also the New Deal reforms which blunted socialism from becoming more militant in the US would be excoriated and labeled "socialism" by the entire Republican party if they had been introduced for the first time today. If anything we've moved further right.
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May 26, 2017 19:37
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Like the previous posts said, growing up poor is still unpleasant regardless of where you do it. Putting down other poor people because they might have it slightly nicer than you isn't helpful, and as much as you think you'd like growing up poor in NYC (or similar) I think if you actually did you wouldn't enjoy it. There are probably people there pining for growing up in some farming community in the middle of nowhere instead. Instead of trying to determine who truly has it worst, maybe focus your animosity toward the system/people that made you all poor in the first place. There are a lot of overlooked downsides to growing up as a member of the urban poor too, like pollution and lead poisoning.
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May 26, 2017 19:44
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I was reading an interesting article a while ago that a lot of europe was able to become nice social-democracies and the whole "Jante law" in scandinavia because the new world allowed a sort of pressure release valve where all the go-getters and greedy assholes and people who wanted to really make a name for them selves got to run off to. There was a loss of individualistic and creative people, but also of selfish proto-randians. Around that period is where the whole cultural idea of jante law came about, which set the stage for social democracy and everything the outside world thinks of when they admire scandinavian welfare states. So, thank you America for taking all the jerks!
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May 26, 2017 19:56
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Mu Zeta posted:I finished the first 6 episodes of the original Twin Peaks and I just don't get this show and I'm quitting. A couple moments of freaky poo poo but the vast majority is super cheesy garbage. And from what I understand most of season 2 is supposed to be even worse. I wonder how confusing it would be if I just jumped right into the new series. Pretty confusing, given how season 2 ends. Season 2 isn't "bad" exactly, just heavily uneven. The first episodes in the season are way better than season 1 and then after a very obvious point the show peters off and largely spins its wheels on some truly terrible episodes before finishing off on 2 very amazing episodes. There's a whole stretch of season 2 that you could probably get away with just reading the summary of.
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May 26, 2017 20:29
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Baronjutter posted:I was reading an interesting article a while ago that a lot of europe was able to become nice social-democracies and the whole "Jante law" in scandinavia because the new world allowed a sort of pressure release valve where all the go-getters and greedy assholes and people who wanted to really make a name for them selves got to run off to. There was a loss of individualistic and creative people, but also of selfish proto-randians. Around that period is where the whole cultural idea of jante law came about, which set the stage for social democracy and everything the outside world thinks of when they admire scandinavian welfare states. So, thank you America for taking all the jerks! So once we get space colonization off and running, the planet might actually have a chance?
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May 26, 2017 20:35
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The number of people actually going into space is going to be tiny compared to the world population, if we ever get there. In any case, AI, robots, and the end of any low to mid level jobs is going to break the social order we have now long before that happens.
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May 26, 2017 20:41
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Speaking of space, I think the USA has been missing out on a prime opportunity military-wise. Instead of marginally improving our fighter planes, why aren't we building orbital weapons platforms? If we could attack anywhere we wanted from space and also intercept any incoming ICBMs we wouldn't even need such a large navy or air force presence. Space is the future, but if we want it to happen any time soon the first step is militarizing it.
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doverhog posted:The number of people actually going into space is going to be tiny compared to the world population, if we ever get there. In any case, AI, robots, and the end of any low to mid level jobs is going to break the social order we have now long before that happens. On that thread, when AI increasingly becomes a Thing, developing AI that is available to individuals regardless of class is going to be extremely important. Elon Musk's fears concerning AI aren't that it will necessarily go Terminator on us at first, but that it will be so expensive and so ludicrously expensive that only the likes of militaries and Amazon will be operating them. AI itself isn't the problem per se; it is who the AIs are working for. In interviews, Elon seems to want AI to become a partner tool, like a smartphone on steroids that you use to truly help you out, not because Amazon is furnishing it to watch your habits and information. That appears to be his best case scenario future, with other paths turning us into wallet slaves or pets, the entertainment AIs being their jailors. Potato Salad has a new favorite as of 20:58 on May 26, 2017 |
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Speaking of space, I think the USA has been missing out on a prime opportunity military-wise. Instead of marginally improving our fighter planes, why aren't we building orbital weapons platforms? If we could attack anywhere we wanted from space and also intercept any incoming ICBMs we wouldn't even need such a large navy or air force presence. 
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Mu Zeta posted:I finished the first 6 episodes of the original Twin Peaks and I just don't get this show and I'm quitting. A couple moments of freaky poo poo but the vast majority is super cheesy garbage. And from what I understand most of season 2 is supposed to be even worse. I wonder how confusing it would be if I just jumped right into the new series. You can't watch a successful old TV show for the first time now and get it unless you're watching it in the context "interesting to see what the original was everyone has been copying from ever since" and that's just not entertaining. No-one had really done cheesy garbage like that on big-time television until then and it was refreshing. tl;dr: Twin Peaks was cool when you watched it one episode at a time way back when. I'm sorry you were born too late.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Speaking of space, I think the USA has been missing out on a prime opportunity military-wise. Instead of marginally improving our fighter planes, why aren't we building orbital weapons platforms? If we could attack anywhere we wanted from space and also intercept any incoming ICBMs we wouldn't even need such a large navy or air force presence. I'm pretty sure the US is a signatory to an anti-space weapons treaty. I know a treaty's only as good as its ability to be enforced, but it's still there.
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mojo1701a posted:I'm pretty sure the US is a signatory to an anti-space weapons treaty. That gives us the perfect cover. We could just say hey we signed the treaty, we'd never violate it, what you saw was just a weather balloon, or whatever.
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May 26, 2017 21:30
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Someone should cast Jeff Bridges for a role that doesn't boil down to "old cowboy type with beard and long hair" every once in a while.
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Twin peaks is cheesy because it's a parody of soap operas. If that wasn't obvious to you from the beginning, Leland jumping onto Laura's coffin as it was being lowered into the grave should have driven it home. And to answer the above posters question, the new season doesn't really do that anymore. It's' just weird surreal David Lynch stuff.
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I know it's satirizing soaps because the characters watch soaps in the show. I don't think it's fun to watch. I genuinely like some of the scary stuff and I finally understand the references in the video game Deadly Premonition, so that's a plus.
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Mu Zeta posted:I know it's satirizing soaps because the characters watch soaps in the show. I don't think it's fun to watch. I genuinely like some of the scary stuff and I finally understand the references in the video game Deadly Premonition, so that's a plus. You would probably like the new season more, then. But be warned, like all of David Lynch's movies, it moves at a glacial pace.
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May 26, 2017 22:38
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Despite what politicians, public figures and celebrities say, I'm pretty sure hate is going to win this thing.
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Jastiger posted:Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." John Steinbeck posted:"Except for the field organizers of strikes, who were pretty tough monkeys and devoted, most of the so-called Communists I met were middle-class, middle-aged people playing a game of dreams. I remember a woman in easy circumstances saying to another even more affluent: 'After the revolution even we will have more, won't we, dear?' Then there was another lover of proletarians who used to raise hell with Sunday picknickers on her property.
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