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Zore posted:I mean, there were a bunch of connections from Awakening to every game in the series to that point. Except maybe Sacred Stones? I can't remember. There weren't any direct connections to Sacred Stones but the way the Fire Emblem was treated and how the stones needed to be gathered in order to seal an ancient demonic enemy was pretty clearly a reference (on top of the more direct reference to FE1/3).
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Honestly Alm is probably my least useful (most average) unit and his only saving grace is he can crit well and often. Newbies: I know it seems like Forsythe sucks right now but stick it out; he eventually destroys everything owing to his giant sack of HP and somewhat okay resistance. I stupidly followed this thread's advice and made Atlas a mage and now I have SO MANY MAGES, TOO MANY drat MAGES UGGGHHHH Edit: some of these tracks remind me of the music from Nier and how I wish I was playing Nier again ~ The Big Whoop fucked around with this message at 23:47 on May 26, 2017 |
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May 26, 2017 23:43
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The Big Whoop posted:Honestly Alm is probably my least useful (most average) unit and his only saving grace is he can crit well and often. Once you get Alm's unique weapon, make sure to use him enough to unlock its second art. It makes him incredibly powerful even with mediocre stats.
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May 26, 2017 23:48
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The best class five Atlus is archer.
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May 26, 2017 23:52
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The Big Whoop posted:Honestly Alm is probably my least useful (most average) unit and his only saving grace is he can crit well and often.
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May 26, 2017 23:56
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cheetah7071 posted:Once you get Alm's unique weapon, make sure to use him enough to unlock its second art. It makes him incredibly powerful even with mediocre stats. The royal sword? I think I may be *a little* overleveled, I took out 5 necrodragons with within 4 turns The Big Whoop fucked around with this message at 00:00 on May 27, 2017 |
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May 26, 2017 23:58
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The Big Whoop posted:The royal sword? yes
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May 26, 2017 23:59
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The Big Whoop posted:The royal sword? Necrodragons are super weak so not really.
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May 27, 2017 00:01
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Yeah poo poo I just stick the ones that make sense with 'em. Celica has her signature weapon (I assume) as well. I didn't bother changing Saber's golden dagger because even though he's my bff now or whatever it's his, drat it.
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The Big Whoop posted:Yeah poo poo I just stick the ones that make sense with 'em. Celica has her signature weapon (I assume) as well. Celica doesn't really have a signature weapon the same way Alm does. She does have an exclusive weapon but it's not just handed to you the same way the royal sword is, and there's plenty of argument for giving her a mage ring instead over it anyways
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May 27, 2017 00:05
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Crit quotes are unfortunately pretty unremarkable this time around but my favorite has got to be Saber's "Get a load of THIS!!" Really any Saber quote is great, what a kickass voice.
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May 27, 2017 00:31
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I finished the game and Python turned out to be my best unit, which was probably because archers and mages really loved targeting him for some reason and the killer bow is sick.
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May 27, 2017 01:33
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my review of this game is that my friend called python's haircut 'the most lesbian haircut' and then got her hair cut like it. 8/10.
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I was wondering what to do with Alm in Thabes cause even with his great stats and sword most of the enemies in the lower levels have a non-zero crit rate on him and you can't turnwheel his death, but eventually I found out Alm's true calling: Give him a Killer Bow, master that skill, and keep Celica near him constantly. There is nothing down there that can survive dual hits from Hunter Volley at an 80% crit with Alm's attack stat. Him and Bow Knight Gray pretty much cleared out the entire dungeon by themselves.
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May 27, 2017 02:50
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your friend has the hair of a bad unit it's pretty good hair though
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Endorph posted:my review of this game is that my friend called python's haircut 'the most lesbian haircut' and then got her hair cut like it. 8/10. It looks identical to Lukas'.
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Pastrymancy posted:It looks identical to Lukas'. you know nothing about hair
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Endorph posted:my review of this game is that my friend called python's haircut 'the most lesbian haircut' and then got her hair cut like it. 8/10. your friend owns
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I did however just name an iron bow 'PYTHON SUX' so I'm a little conflicted
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May 27, 2017 09:07
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There's no "literally unusable" characters like Revlation Odin or whatever, but Python, Luthier and Clive seem to be pretty bottom of the barrel.
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My Clive's a loving monster and is running around with a blessed lance being more unkillable than either of my Barons, and the last few maps have basically been Clive and Mathilda power hour. Luthier and Python are pretty useless though, yeah. Although I guess my game is borked or something because Alm's party is ten times better than anybody in Celica's except the lady herself and two of the three peg knights, and apparently that's wrong or something.
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ROFL Octopus posted:There's no "literally unusable" characters like Revlation Odin or whatever, but Python, Luthier and Clive seem to be pretty bottom of the barrel. The real bottom of the barrel are Forsythe (low move, needs to be fed kills, offers nothing over Lukas), Mycen (comes too late, might not even get deployed due to how the final dungeon works,) Atlas (pretty much impossible to use without specifically grinding for him), Jesse (always a tier behind Kamui and Saber and offers nothing over them,) and Nomah (just a worse version of Boey without any early game availability). I'd say Delthea too for the same reasons as Atlas but I know I'd get run out of the thread. Of course, this is a game that basically encourages grinding, so unless you're specifically going for a low turncount run it doesn't exactly matter.
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In fire emblem there is also always the chance that the bad characters will get really good level-ups while the supposed good characters won't so experiences vary
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May 27, 2017 10:05
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I find that the usual reason Ninos are bad is because of the opportunity cost of deploying them and because you have to go out of your way to set up kills In a game where you deploy everyone and nobody ORKOs Est and Delthea are fine, even good
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Delthea still has her uses, like auraing guys, but in a ltc run (which is the only point where a tier list even matters) she's insanely unlikely to even get seraphim, much less promote or get ragnarok. Especially since mages have low move and Alm's maps are filled with archers and his dungeosn are filled with gargoyles. Actually, you definitely aren't bringing her into dungeons. Est is fine, though. She flies and Celica's route is Celica's route.
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Nomah was definitely the worst unit for me, boring too. But even he can heal.
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Endorph posted:Delthea still has her uses, like auraing guys, but in a ltc run (which is the only point where a tier list even matters) she's insanely unlikely to even get seraphim, much less promote or get ragnarok. Especially since mages have low move and Alm's maps are filled with archers and his dungeosn are filled with gargoyles. Actually, you definitely aren't bringing her into dungeons. I mean the conversation was about general usefulness, not LTC or tier lists but okay e: I guess I can grant she isn't good in dungeons before she gets going and won't get going without being brought to dungeons, but since dungeons are easy enough even with bad characters I always brought my crappiest folks
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also arrow is a really good spell and he gives Boey and Mae +5 hit
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cheetah7071 posted:I mean the conversation was about general usefulness, not LTC or tier lists but okay
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Atlas's slow start is seriously overblown, I'm doing a Blitzkrieg run and he's honestly performing well. Merc's 10 Spd allows him to double most stuff in Act 3 and his high Atk lets him score KOs easily. If Celica has a worst unit it's Valbar. Python starts rough but he's an archer so he'll always find a use, and Luthier gets Excalibur and Thunder right off the bat so he's serviceable. Forsyth is irredeemable though.
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Endorph posted:also arrow is a really good spell and he gives Boey and Mae +5 hit I never noticed because he was never close enough to the front lines for them to get buffs. His biggest crime is that he's just the most forgettable person though. Seriously his recruitment has got to be the most awkward in all the series.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I never noticed because he was never close enough to the front lines for them to get buffs. someone's never played thracia
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Did you go back and promote Atlas at the sea shrine? And Valbar has move issues, doubling issues, and, uh, the fact that magic exist issues, but his walling at Grieth's fortress/during the fight with Deen if you pick Sonya is enough to make him better than Nomah. SyntheticPolygon posted:His biggest crime is that he's just the most forgettable person though. Seriously his recruitment has got to be the most awkward in all the series.
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I did, yeah. Of course that causes map encounters to spawn but that's ~3 turns lost so no big deal. And I feel like Atlas' ORKOing potential in the future could make up for it. At Merc Level 1 he already ORKOs the witches in Sonya's map with a Blessed Sword, and at Grieth he could one-two the Myrmidons there with some other unit like Boey, so it wasn't actually that hard to get him to Myrmidon at Dragon Shrine. So in a regular run he should still do well and pick up the pace quickly enough. Of course Saber and Kamui outclass him, but Saber and Kamui outclass everyone in Celica's route and having another Brave Sword user could be useful. I haven't done Deen's map so fair enough. blizzardvizard fucked around with this message at 10:35 on May 27, 2017 |
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Endorph posted:Delthea still has her uses, like auraing guys, but in a ltc run (which is the only point where a tier list even matters) she's insanely unlikely to even get seraphim, much less promote or get ragnarok. Especially since mages have low move and Alm's maps are filled with archers and his dungeosn are filled with gargoyles. Actually, you definitely aren't bringing her into dungeons. Mycen works fine. I took him into the endgame dungeon and he held his own. As a final resort if you did everything wrong, he is good. I just simply went with Luthier for my endgame mage. Probably helped that his crit chance was pretty high.
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cheetah7071 posted:someone's never played thracia I have not, but give them a few years and hopefully there'll be a Thracia Echoes.
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Echoes has a fairly straightforward tier list, imo: enemy units with upheaval [unassailable gap here] every female spellcaster (mae and celica typically being the strongest but really it's whoever has the mage [and speed] rings) alm mathilda saber catria palla non-saber mercenaries clair every male mage archers lukas est clive The Rest
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Endorph posted:Clive, Luthier, and Python are all fine. Luthier and Clive are kinda mediocre stat-wise and Python needs to be fed some kills, but they all have moments of usefulness or ways in which they can help. I didn't grind poo poo, I just handed my Forsyth the Ridersbane and left him in the way to my squishies, and he completely shits all over my Lukas. Turns out that in a game where promotion ups your stats to the baseline anyway, a character with off-growths for the class (in this case, speed) is pretty great.  Lukas didn't start catching up until he got my first Fork.
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Luthier comes with excaliber. Unless you have a kickass kliff/tobin, he will be a very good mage for you. And delthea starts with pretty good bases, more speed than half the cast outside of the merc line.
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