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HorseRenoir posted:America is full of sociopaths that you need to overwhelm and marginalize if you ever want to have nice things Agreed.
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May 27, 2017 04:12
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HorseRenoir posted:I really dislike talk on the left about how people who vote R are voting against their best interests partly because it's patronizing and partly because people who vote R are voting in their best interest, even the poor ones i like it when those people call themselves good christians
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May 27, 2017 04:15
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HorseRenoir posted:I really dislike talk on the left about how people who vote R are voting against their best interests partly because it's patronizing and partly because people who vote R are voting in their best interest, even the poor ones buddy leftists aren't the ones trying to get suburban republicans to vote for them
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May 27, 2017 06:26
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Fullhouse posted:buddy leftists aren't the ones trying to get suburban republicans to vote for them suburban Rs for centrists, rural Rs for the left
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May 27, 2017 06:39
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HorseRenoir posted:suburban Rs for centrists, rural Rs for the left Right now in the UK election the overwhelming support for the Tories is dissolving in part because Labour & Conservatives released their manifestos, and the Tory platform is trash while Labour is offering what people actually want. You don't have to transform rural voters into socialists, just give a reason for the people who would actually find a socialist platform appealing a reason to turn out and vote.
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May 27, 2017 06:49
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Just hardcore lie to them. That seems to work pretty well.
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May 27, 2017 06:50
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Right now in the UK election the overwhelming support for the Tories is dissolving in part because Labour & Conservatives released their manifestos, and the Tory platform is trash while Labour is offering what people actually want. You don't have to transform rural voters into socialists, just give a reason for the people who would actually find a socialist platform appealing a reason to turn out and vote. agreed, I'm talking about voters that show up to every election and vote R and you can't ever win those people over. dems can't fathom the idea that the voting pool can contract/expand and you don't siphon off votes from the other side like voters are a finite resource
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May 27, 2017 06:53
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HorseRenoir posted:agreed, I'm talking about voters that show up to every election and vote R and you can't ever win those people over. dems can't fathom the idea that the voting pool can contract/expand and you don't siphon off votes from the other side like voters are a finite resource i don't think anyone expects to win over the ~35% of americans who are irredeemable right-wing shitheads. it's the equivalent of when trump made his half-assed attempt to win black voters. he didn't expect their vote, but it made some of the less-racist center-right white ppl more comfortable with voting for him. that said, dems as a whole are way too squeamish about turning out the base and they probably are still overestimating the number of centrist voters they can effectively pander to at this point. that strategy probably was correct in the 80s and 90s, but times have changed. i also think they are complacent that demographics are on their side. knowing that demographics definitely aren't on their side is a big reason republicans have progressed from comfortable, to excitable, to the batshit insanity we see today
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May 27, 2017 08:15
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Batshit insanity is the sole mobilizing force available to them at this point. They've spent a couple decades whipping their base into a state of prodromal schizophrenia until they've started seeing illegals and terrorists in every shadow. It is toxic as all Hell, but the belief that a vote for a Republican could be the difference between being great again or civilizational doom is a powerful incentive to turn out.
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May 27, 2017 09:24
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‘He played me for a fool’: Kentucky Trump supporter laments he should have voted for Hillaryquote:Easterling is on food stamps and Medicaid and he believed Trump when the then-candidate swore he’d never touch Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Trump lied and Easterling and his family are fearful they’re going to lose critical benefits they need to stay afloat.
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May 27, 2017 15:49
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:‘He played me for a fool’: Kentucky Trump supporter laments he should have voted for Hillary Guy demonstrates a level of self awareness that is the exception among Trump's supporters, unfortunately.
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May 27, 2017 16:07
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Potato Salad posted:Guy demonstrates a level of self awareness that is the exception among Trump's supporters, unfortunately. somehow will be tricked again come the 2020 elections.
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May 27, 2017 17:00
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Potato Salad posted:Guy demonstrates a level of self awareness that is the exception among Trump's supporters, unfortunately. quote:When asking Easterling’s neighbors about Trump cutting federal programs that help him while he’s getting back on his feet, one man had just two words: “Tough luck.” What's that law where you keep what belonged to the men you've killed? Easterling should totally push for that.
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May 27, 2017 17:05
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Office Pig posted:What's that law where you keep what belonged to the men you've killed? Easterling should totally push for that. gently caress you, got yours. 
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May 27, 2017 18:42
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:‘He played me for a fool’: Kentucky Trump supporter laments he should have voted for Hillary There was no "playing" for a fool here at all.
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May 27, 2017 20:16
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It's hilarious to see people trying to reach out to these sorts of guys through public tweets, "Don't worry you're not alone, we're your friends! Don't feel bad!! It's not your fault" I wish they'd can the lip service. It's us elitists, on the left, who like to see false hospitality in the name of conduct. R voters need yardsticks to the knuckles, not saturday morning cartoons. If they really wanted their lives to be good, why don't they pray a little harder? Just asking questions.
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May 27, 2017 21:57
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see? all lives do matta'! 
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May 28, 2017 00:13
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HorseRenoir posted:America is full of sociopaths that you need to overwhelm and marginalize if you ever want to have nice things
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May 28, 2017 00:19
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Potato Salad posted:Guy demonstrates a level of self awareness that is the exception among Trump's supporters, unfortunately. he was conned, pure and simple
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May 28, 2017 00:23
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this story has nothing to do w/trump or politics, but i can't help but think of it when i see these hard-luck trump supporters desperately clinging to the trump train that has been running over them since inauguration day it's about a lovesick man who gradually paid his entire life savings to a fortune teller who promised to make his crush fall in love with him. fortuneteller keeps stringing him along, making him pay for magic crystals and poo poo. then, unexpectedly, the man finds out the chick he wanted had died of a drug overdose. naturally, he proceeds to sell all his things and borrow six-figure sums to pay for her reincarnation that's the psychology of the hard-luck trump supporter. too ashamed to admit to themselves or others that they were conned, they would rather double and triple down on increasingly obvious bullshit. this also increasingly describes ryan, priebus, et. al., as more and more trump-russia poo poo comes out. except, instead of hocking their car to try to bring a dead girl back to life, they're hocking the rule of law to try to kill their own supporters?
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May 28, 2017 04:08
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:this story has nothing to do w/trump or politics, but i can't help but think of it when i see these hard-luck trump supporters desperately clinging to the trump train that has been running over them since inauguration day 
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May 28, 2017 04:26
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but that's just it, honey-- the dead can't vote
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May 28, 2017 04:56
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lmao that article is amazing
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May 28, 2017 05:05
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:but that's just it, honey-- the dead can't vote and a fool is quickly parted from his money, and his powa', suga'
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May 28, 2017 05:08
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:‘He played me for a fool’: Kentucky Trump supporter laments he should have voted for Hillary I really dislike talk on the left about how people who vote R are voting against their best interests partly because it's patronizing and partly because people who vote R are voting in their best interest, even the poor ones There are a lot of people who don't value the same things that the left values even if those things are objectively more important to them. A lot of R voters prioritize things like evangelical culture wars and denying government services to the "wrong" people over personal betterment and that poo poo is rooted deep into their entire worldview. Leftists like the "Rs are just potential socialists who haven't been messaged to properly" idea because it's an easier pill to swallow than the idea that America is full of sociopaths that you need to overwhelm and marginalize if you ever want to have nice things
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May 28, 2017 08:06
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dehumanize half the country as irredeemable sociopathic subhumans. therein, lies the path to victory
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May 28, 2017 13:13
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May 28, 2017 13:15
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:I really dislike talk on the left about how people who vote R are voting against their best interests partly because it's patronizing and partly because people who vote R are voting in their best interest, even the poor ones "Trump voters are trash idiots and terrible human beings" sounds less friendly than "Trump voters are not helping their own interests" though and I'm told we have to Make Nice with these folk or they'll become offended and take it out on the nation again
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May 28, 2017 14:06
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HorseRenoir posted:agreed, I'm talking about voters that show up to every election and vote R and you can't ever win those people over. dems can't fathom the idea that the voting pool can contract/expand and you don't siphon off votes from the other side like voters are a finite resource I've seen the argument made that since both parties have had the identical economic agenda for the past 50 years, the only victories rural whites can win are in the culture wars, hence they vote lockstep R. I think it's kind of irresponsible and immoral to just shrug off the poor rurals because they're irredemable shitheads. You don't have to like someone to show solidarity and they don't have to like everything you do to vote for you. If you come offering them a legitimate way out of rust and heroin, i think that most of them will take it.
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May 28, 2017 14:18
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What if we grind them to paste and use them for fertilizer instead
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May 28, 2017 14:23
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Drunkboxer posted:What if we grind them to paste and use them for fertilizer instead Make sure you run a candidate that can actually ignore them and the militias they create. You'll pick up rurals with $20 minimum wage and UHC though, so why bother?
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May 28, 2017 14:30
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Homeless Friend posted:lmao that article is amazing i bet that he could have given 700k to the meth lady and she would have married him cant you get a fuckin 9/10 russian bride for way less than 700k lol 
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May 28, 2017 15:18
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Say what you want as long as you are discouraging them from voting at all by whatever means necessary Absolute best case scenario of getting them enthused to vote against a Republican at the top of the ticket is a Dem pres with a hostile congress
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May 28, 2017 15:22
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:but that's just it, honey-- the dead can't vote Pfft maybe on the west coast
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May 28, 2017 15:47
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BraveUlysses posted:i bet that he could have given 700k to the meth lady and she would have married him probably for like a 10th of that. they'd def fall the wrong side of the crazy/hot line if you're getting a russian bride though
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May 28, 2017 16:33
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Digiwizzard posted:dehumanize half the country as irredeemable sociopathic subhumans. therein, lies the path to victory -- Lee Atwater, circa 1981
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May 28, 2017 17:23
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Business Gorillas posted:I've seen the argument made that since both parties have had the identical economic agenda for the past 50 years, the only victories rural whites can win are in the culture wars, hence they vote lockstep R. it's a question of cause and effect, and there's also a strong argument for the opposite direction: the GOP's economic agenda, and even much of the modern formulation of the culture wars themselves, grew out of the southern strategy. they chose to support lovely economic policies that hurt them, because they hurt black ppl even more. but even if it didn't start that way, there is certainly an ingrained toxic attitude that must be overcome. it is an attitude that self-worth comes from being ahead of some other group. in that mindset, you don't begrudge the ultra-rich who have always been winning the race. but those uppity groups that were so far behind you when you were a kid? letting them catch up to you would be utterly humiliating. Business Gorillas posted:You don't have to like someone to show solidarity and they don't have to like everything you do to vote for you. true. but now imagine a committed clinton supporter clumsily wooing you with that line during the primaries. that visceral distaste you'd feel is how the poor rural republican would take to a coastal leftist looking for their vote. it might happen, but probably only after several election cycles of earnest bridge-building (NB: this is an analogy only intended to be about emotional gut reactions, not policy/history/etc. not looking to pointlessly reopen old wounds)
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Jose posted:probably for like a 10th of that. they'd def fall the wrong side of the crazy/hot line if you're getting a russian bride though lol yes this is a post from a healthy individual
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Business Gorillas posted:I've seen the argument made that since both parties have had the identical economic agenda for the past 50 years, the only victories rural whites can win are in the culture wars, hence they vote lockstep R. my problem with that argument is that it implies that no one has tried to sell an alternate economic agenda to rural whites, when in fact rural whites have actively rejected alternate agendas and are one of the main reasons why both parties have had identical economic agendas in the first place the conservative economic agenda is based on spiritual/personal philosophies that run deep and are instilled from a very young age, like prosperity gospel and protestant work ethic. to be a conservative is to say that the current system (or the system that was replaced by something new) was perfect, and that any existing issues with the system are actually personal failings of people who weren't worthy enough to succeed in the current system. the entirety of conservative policy runs on the idea that everyone is at their current position in society for a reason, and that people at the bottom of the ladder need to be denied services lest they be "rewarded" for being too lazy/criminal/immoral/etc. to succeed (unless it's you and people who are extremely like you, in that case you just have to work harder and eventually you'll be semi-rich! this is why middle-class whites tend to go all in this poo poo) i think that conservatives would probably be fine with expanded welfare programs if they knew that all of those services were only going to "deserving" people (conservative whites) and no one else
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