Pissflaps posted:

Imagine Diane Abbott as Home Secretary.



No I can't either.

jBrereton posted:

You don't even have to look to hypotheticals about Turkey for that, there is quite explicit language in the accession treaties of 2003/2005 about the rights of old member states to keep out foreign workers for up to seven years (five without any real proof it will help their country to do so).

Benjamin Arthur posted:

God forbid you'd properly read the posts responding to the pedantic derails that you start, here in the thread where you spend your life

Benjamin Arthur posted:

God forbid you'd properly read the posts responding to the pedantic derails that you start, here in the thread where you spend your life

Gonzo McFee posted:

Dianne Abbot is good.

Pissflaps posted:

Bothering to check your angry little missives is not one of my priorities.

Gonzo McFee posted:

Dianne Abbot is good.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

and you should know by now that he only cherry picks the parts of post and produces polls that support his position and ignores everything else and yet people keep engaging him time and time again

Pissflaps posted:

At what?

Lord of the Llamas posted:

So your current strategy is to ask for sources, then when confronted with the fact that sources have already been cited you hand wave it away as not a priority.

You're a oval office.

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1969.html

Pissflaps posted:

The information isn't in any of the posts I've replied to or read. I don't think it actually exists, but don't let that get in the way of a tantrum.

GaussianCopula posted:

A time limited exception for new members who profit immensely from all other EU programs to allow their standard of living to converge at least a little bit more to that of the EU is quite different from what the UK is asking for. A comparable situation would be if the UK rejoined the EU in 5 years and they get full rights, except for financial services, where they have to wait 8 years before those are allowed in the single market again.

Pissflaps posted:

All the polls support my position.

Pissflaps posted:

I asked jakiri to source his claim that more civilians had been killed by unionists than loyalists.

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Your position when Labour was polling at 25% was that it is totally hosed and Labour voters wouldn't "return to type". Five out of seven of the polls this week have Labour at 35%+.

You're a oval office.

Lord of the Llamas posted:

And he pointed out that the evidence had already been cited in the thread. By me. Check the site yourself.

You're a oval office.

Pissflaps posted:

Labour is hosed. Look how far behind this utterly incompetent Tory campaign they are.

Gonzo McFee posted:

Working class black woman makes it to Cambridge, survives 30 years in HoC as a socialist, rises to shad home sec. So maybe deserves respect?

Lord of the Llamas posted:

And he pointed out that the evidence had already been cited in the thread. By me. Check the site yourself.

You're a oval office.

Lord of the Llamas posted:

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

A Labour voter willingly wanting Labour to be destroyed as a party just to win an argument on a dying comedy forum, gently caress me. Pissflaps, just go the gently caress away and never come back

Pissflaps posted:

Labour is hosed. Look how far behind this utterly incompetent Tory campaign they are.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

A Labour voter willingly wanting Labour to be destroyed as a party just to win an argument on a dying comedy forum, gently caress me. Pissflaps, just go the gently caress away and never come back

blowfish posted:

As a person perhaps, but what specifically is good about her as a politician other than "not a Tory"?

Gonzo McFee posted:

Working class black woman makes it to Cambridge, survives 30 years in HoC as a socialist, rises to shad home sec. So maybe deserves respect?

serious gaylord posted:

Can you post the actual source?

Gonzo McFee posted:

Dianne Abbot is good.

Lord of the Llamas posted:

I literally posted the link on this very page.

But here it is again because finding stuff is oh so hard. I had to go through all the effort of clicking on the citation on wikipedia and everything.

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/

Lord of the Llamas posted:

10-15% less behind than it was when you made your earlier predictions. It's not Labour's fault that Davey 'Pie' Cameron hosed up Brexit and the wishy washy liberal fucks will vote for the Tories over a leftist.

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

At screeching about the white devil?

LemonDrizzle posted:

No, I am well aware of how freedom of movement works, and you apparently are not: it also applies to people who are not EU citizens but whose countries retain the trading benefits of single market membership, specifically the citizens of Norway, Liechtenstein, and Iceland.

Zephro posted:

You don't get access to the single market without freedom of movement. Ask the Swiss, who just tried this and failed.

Labour have a structural Brexit problem because the richer, younger, metropolitan half of their supporters think it's stupid while the poorer, older, more provincial half think it's a good idea. This is an attempt to paper over the cracks with ambiguous statements and pedantry and undeliverable promises designed to mollify both sides, but the logic points straight at a hard Brexit.

Benjamin Arthur posted:

As if it wasn't entirely clear to everyone that flaps only cares about this electionanything to the extent which he gets to feel smug on the internet

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

What part of that statement was alt right?

I'm a fence sitting radical centrist who's only interest is in the dankest and creamiest of memes

Gonzo McFee posted:

Working class black woman makes it to Cambridge, survives 30 years in HoC as a socialist, rises to shad home sec. So maybe deserves respect?

serious gaylord posted:

Cheers, but the post i quoted was an image. I tried scrolling through your posts to find it but after a page of you whining about pissflaps i gave up. Maybe wind your neck in a bit?

Pissflaps posted:

Its precisely because labour were so far behind prior to the election that the idea of labour turning it around in the six weeks of a campaign was a fantasy.

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I believe that MI6 has failed to learn the lessons from [the Iraq] debacle. Above all, it has made very serious mistakes that have endangered this country’s security.

Often with the connivance of MI6, during the early years of the Syrian War, hundreds of British citizens were allowed to travel abroad to join jihadist organisations.

The reason MI6 certainly approved such involvement was because spy chiefs had taken it upon themselves to meddle in the internal affairs of Middle East countries.

In the case of Syria, they wanted to get as much help as possible in their mission to topple the Syrian president Bashir al-Assad.

There was a similar policy towards Libya. British citizens — it has been reported this week that among them was the father of the Manchester suicide-bomber — were undoubtedly encouraged to travel to the north African country to fight in the civil war there to get rid of Gaddafi.

Indeed, research by the Middle East Eye website has revealed the extent to which the British authorities, I believe with the encouragement of MI6, released terror suspects in this country from control orders which had previously been imposed on them in order to restrain their movements and stop them from using the internet.

Duly, these people were free to join terror groups in the Middle East and North Africa — organisations with links to Al Qaeda and other terror outfits.

Of course, as well as being enemies of al-Assad and Gaddafi, these groups were also enemies of the West.

So, while MI5 officers were working day and night to prevent Islamist terrorists inflicting carnage on British streets, MI6 officers were complicit in creating a generation of British-born jihadis who are prepared to do anything, and kill anyone — even young children — in their efforts to destroy this country.

This brings us directly to the Manchester suicide-bomber.

Along with his father and brother, Salman Abedi fought as a 16-year-old in the Libyan civil war. There have been reports, too, that he received military training in Syria.

There is every reason to speculate that his evil handiwork at the Manchester Arena on Monday night was in part a direct consequence of MI6’s meddling.

The organisation is open to the charge that it placed what it perceived to be British foreign policy objectives ahead of the safety of British citizens.

Meanwhile, others in government have serious questions to answer. For example, on whose advice was it that the Home Office lifted the control orders on suspected jihadists?

And why were repeated warnings about Abedi to the police via an anti-terrorist hotline ignored?

The official reason is that MI5 has been woefully overstretched, having to deal with managing 500 investigations into suspected terrorists, involving as many as 23,000 ‘subjects of interest’.

What is certainly true is that the police and MI5 have not been helped by the rogue activities of some of their foreign intelligence partners in MI6.

It is worth pointing out that I’m not the only one perturbed by such behaviour within MI6, which has traditionally been licensed by the government to break the law and carry out illicit acts, on the assumption that it always acts in the British national interest.

Former MI6 officer Alastair Crooke, who worked for the service for 30 years and who has vast experience in the Middle East and Afghanistan, is concerned that some of its operators are not working in the national interest.

He told me: ‘It is not right that, on one hand, domestic police services are straining every sinew to protect our societies by fighting terrorism, while, on the other hand, elements in our and America’s security services have been arming and training jihadists and colluding in terrorism.’

The worry — and it is a profound one — is that if Britain’s two intelligence agencies are working at cross purposes, we will never be able to make our streets safe from terrorists.

Gonzo McFee posted:

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Given the current polls I'd say that a hung parliament is about as likely as Trump's chances were 11 days out.

"fantasy"

ukle posted:

She did then she did the whole Private School fiasco and was a disgrace to Labour. She should have been deselected years ago, but due to her being the first black female MP it was too political.