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nopantsjack posted:If only we had voted for owen Smith.... please crap **EDIT For Eduardo Ballzo
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Hoops posted:It's not surprising is it? When was the last IRA attack in Britain? If you count failed attacks the IRA took credit for a series of dud bomb packages sent to Army Recruitment offices and a Royal Mail sorting office in 2014. Source.
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May 28, 2017 14:13
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Watching Peston constantly interrupt Corbyn every time he tries to start answering a question is frustrating.
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May 28, 2017 14:14
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AP posted:I just want the nutters kicked out of Labour so it can be electable again. You're all so confident in Corbyn as PM, Abbott as Home Secretary and McDonnell as Chancellor. Let's see how the dream team performs. Maybe you should join Labour and be part of the next leadership election, because I'm going to vote for left wingers forever
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May 28, 2017 14:15
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Corbyn really needs to call out interviewers on spending more than half the time talking about the IRA. It's dominated the last half dozen interviews he's given while Labours policies have hardly gotten a mention. Obviously this is exactly what the Tories want but at some point he has so say 'I've already answered all these questions about things I did decades ago several times, is me repeating myself really what the public wants to hear?' Especially with the bigger TV appearances coming up talking about nothing but the IRA would be a disaster.
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May 28, 2017 14:15
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Is Diane Abbott just trolling the country these days? i am not sure what else she can do to make Labour look more incompetent than it already is, jesus christ.
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May 28, 2017 14:17
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Yes let's kick nutters out of the Labour party like Corbyn, not people like Hilary Benn who spend their entire lives waiting to make a Churchillian speech about the moral righteousness of bombing brown people because it's the only way they can get physically aroused
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May 28, 2017 14:21
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Every interviewer wants to be the one whose questioning finally pushes Corbyn to snap and start yelling that it's true and that he's spent his whole life lusting for the death of innocent Brits.
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May 28, 2017 14:21
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jabby posted:Corbyn really needs to call out interviewers on spending more than half the time talking about the IRA. It's dominated the last half dozen interviews he's given while Labours policies have hardly gotten a mention. Obviously this is exactly what the Tories want but at some point he has so say 'I've already answered all these questions about things I did decades ago several times, is me repeating myself really what the public wants to hear?' Especially with the bigger TV appearances coming up talking about nothing but the IRA would be a disaster. Corbyn is so much better at interviews these days, but he's never mastered going on the counterattack with journos, he gets all snipey like a condescending schoolteacher.
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May 28, 2017 14:22
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AP posted:I just want the nutters kicked out of Labour so it can be electable again. You're all so confident in Corbyn as PM, Abbott as Home Secretary and McDonnell as Chancellor. Let's see how the dream team performs. Like who?
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May 28, 2017 14:22
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Diane Abbott is bad. She's on the front bench purely because she's an ally of Corbyn, which speaks volumes to how desperate he was to find a handful of people in the Labour party who aren't ratfucking backstabbing shitheels.
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May 28, 2017 14:27
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Hoops posted:They used this format once last time with Cameron and Miliband I think as well. Basically consecutive town halls that don't interact. Yeah that was where the whole "hell yes I'm tough enough" thing came from Frankly I thought they where miserable last time
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May 28, 2017 14:29
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Hoops posted:They're going to ask him about his comments on a group that carried out bombings, when it's the week following a terrorist bombing. You can't stop it, so better just deflecting it to May cutting police numbers (which I specifically noted he did here very well). Disaster was probably a strong word, Corbyn is doing well in interviews and I don't think many votes will be won or lost over the IRA stuff even if it keeps up. The real problem is it makes his interviews incredibly dull, and prevents him from scoring any points against May over policies. According to the current polls Labour are behind by probably 8 or 9 points, which would be a comfortable Tory win. For Corbyn to close that gap he needs to stop allowing his interviews to be totally dominated by stuff that's already been gone over a bunch of times. A full fifteen minutes with Andrew Neil was IRA related and it will have had gently caress all impact on anyone, a pattern I expect to repeat with Paxman. My ray of hope is the audience questions from both Sky and the Question Time special, since they are more likely to swing towards topics that are good for Corbyn and bad for May rather than just regurgitating Tory attack lines.
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May 28, 2017 14:35
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AP posted:I just want the nutters kicked out of Labour so it can be electable again. You're all so confident in Corbyn as PM, Abbott as Home Secretary and McDonnell as Chancellor. Let's see how the dream team performs. yeah, we are. The home secretary/PM just got a bunch of kids killed after the police federation told her what was up. I'm pretty confident the people who use academics to make appropriate policy will do a better job. Starting june 9th.
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May 28, 2017 14:39
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What's so bad about Abbott other than the usual "Black politician is mean to white people" stuff that conservatives go apeshit about?
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May 28, 2017 14:42
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Lightning Lord posted:What's so bad about Abbott other than the usual "Black politician is mean to white people" stuff that conservatives go apeshit about? She puts her foot in it, says flippant stuff, upsets people, makes massive cock ups during interviews. Sadly she's not white and posh so she's not a total legend like Boris.
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May 28, 2017 14:44
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I agree it may be a problem, but I don't think it's fixable in the time left. That's what's happened though, security has been forced to the front of the agenda because of a thing that happened in the real world. He's not going to close the gap either way though. He's going to do a fair bit better than he was expected to originally, has put out a strong manifesto and to some extent has re-established what Labour stand for. I think that's the best we were ever going to get.
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May 28, 2017 14:44
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winegums posted:Diane Abbott is bad. She's on the front bench purely because she's an ally of Corbyn, which speaks volumes to how desperate he was to find a handful of people in the Labour party who aren't ratfucking backstabbing shitheels. May be partly to do with the way most of his previous shadow cabinet stepped down to try and force him out. She had a much less prominent position in that one.
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May 28, 2017 14:45
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He'd not win today but May has two whole weeks and she's in a full on meltdown
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May 28, 2017 14:45
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Labour aren't going to win but hopefully the plp see how launching a proper leftwing manifesto made them jump 10% in the polls near instantly and realise that it's a popular platform
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May 28, 2017 14:53
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Spangly A posted:He'd not win today but May has two whole weeks and she's in a full on meltdown Have the Tories actually restarted their campaign yet?
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May 28, 2017 14:53
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Has anyone else had one of these delivered? 12 pages of this guff. I can't remember if it's been brought up here yet. The Theresa May And Her Team Party
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May 28, 2017 14:59
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Spangly A posted:He'd not win today but May has two whole weeks and she's in a full on meltdown She's also just had a bunch of photos of her doing big serious work with the G7 come out, being important and strong with cool sexy guys Macron and Trudeau.
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May 28, 2017 15:00
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is someone going to do a merge on the separate spreadsheets for election predictions and genital status? i'm interested to see the crosstabs surely the cost of disability benefits is only going to go up now that the Tories have made everyone loving go blind oh god
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May 28, 2017 15:00
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Kegluneq posted:Has anyone else had one of these delivered? 12 pages of this guff. I can't remember if it's been brought up here yet. gently caress me. Does it have the TV listings and a story about one of the Nolans in it?
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May 28, 2017 15:02
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Noxville posted:May be partly to do with the way most of his previous shadow cabinet stepped down to try and force him out. She had a much less prominent position in that one. Wasn't she shadow health before?
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May 28, 2017 15:02
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Hoops posted:That's hyperbole, she's not really floundering that much. The lead is narrowing but it's still averaging about 10 points, where is that swing going to come from in 10 days? If she shows up to the televised debates without being visibly drunk then there's not much left before she hits the level of guaranteed Tory vote. She was made to stand off to the side with trump in the pictures lol
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May 28, 2017 15:04
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Hoops posted:That's hyperbole, she's not really floundering that much. The lead is narrowing but it's still averaging about 10 points, where is that swing going to come from in 10 days? If she shows up to the televised debates without being visibly drunk then there's not much left before she hits the level of guaranteed Tory vote. I don't think it's likely, I think it's possible. And hope is out of the box now. Labour can (but may not) pull a few surprises against the polls, the most obvious being an overcorrection for youth turnout. Youth registration is already up above the 49% we saw in 2010, and there's a real chance it's matched the 66% mark of 92. If the pollsters pinned it to 2010 numbers, then a near-full youth registration to turnout puts them closer to the older polling margins (by which, Labour is floating around +-3). If the tories do something stupid enough to inspire lib dem turnout in a few swings, the lead on seats gets slim. So, Labour now need to hammer the poo poo out of both the under 30s (to show up) and the over 55s (the tories are scary, dont show up), and pray for the public to take hold of "theresa may is literally a threat to your life at this loving point". This is the home stretch but also the first time I've thought it's within cataclysmic event range.
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May 28, 2017 15:08
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No worries he's got this
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May 28, 2017 15:09
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AP posted:I just want the nutters kicked out of Labour so it can be electable again. You're all so confident in Corbyn as PM, Abbott as Home Secretary and McDonnell as Chancellor. Let's see how the dream team performs. Go away bargain bin Pissflaps, we've still got the original. Seriously, who here has even said they have confidence in Abbott as Home Secretary? Away & shite you boring oval office. Hoops posted:I agree it may be a problem, but I don't think it's fixable in the time left. That's what's happened though, security has been forced to the front of the agenda because of a thing that happened in the real world. Well, no, I think the gap will continue to close in the next to week. It won't close to 0, but it will be a lot closer than it looked a month ago because, whaddya know? Socialist policies are loving popular despite the PLP trying their damnedest to make Labour look a complete shambles.
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May 28, 2017 15:12
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Also if the conservatives win theresa may is going to be torn to shreds by her party
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May 28, 2017 15:12
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I'm curious to see how the PLP will react going forwards if Corbyn does better than Milliband (but not win - he's not going to win). I'm assuming unfortunately it will still be "we need to be more like the Torys"
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May 28, 2017 15:13
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blunt posted:I'm curious to see how the PLP will react going forwards if Corbyn does better than Milliband (but not win - he's not going to win). They're going to suggest they'd have beaten weak and wobbly may with stern, unforgiving Owen Smith
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May 28, 2017 15:14
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Spangly A posted:Also if the conservatives win theresa may is going to be torn to shreds by her party I've resigned myself to inevitable Tory victory, so I'm just consoling myself with the fact that they're going make her life loving miserable for doing everything wrong at every available oppertunity. Yes, it means we're almost certainly going to get someone even worse in charge, but that's just the Natural Tory Way of Things.
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May 28, 2017 15:14
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Kegluneq posted:Has anyone else had one of these delivered? 12 pages of this guff. I can't remember if it's been brought up here yet. "More good school places" No, don't try to improve education standards to remove the branding of good and bad schools, hollowly promise middle-class rubberneckers that their little spawn won't have to interact with any of those common sprogs while you continue to gut our education inside out.
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May 28, 2017 15:17
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UK pollsters got Brexit and the 2015 GE so wrong that I've got a half-hunch they may have overcorrected their modelling of shy voters, leading to an overestimate of Tory support. Although equally they may just be wrong again and The Tories will beat polling. I don't see them getting below 38-39%, so i think the majorities etc will be decided by how much Labour can win back minority party votes. It has definitely gotten more unpredictable.
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May 28, 2017 15:19
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Since the Tories have had their own embarrassment of a leadership contest in the last year where half of them pratfell (possibly deliberately) or stabbed each other out of the running who exactly is going to want to take up the reins after May?
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May 28, 2017 15:22
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Namtab posted:Wasn't she shadow health before? Fortunately competence isn't a requirement for Health Secretary. BobbyThompson posted:gently caress me. Edit: The schools bit is literally just 'more institutes of technology' without explaining what they are. Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 15:25 on May 28, 2017 |
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May 28, 2017 15:23
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Hoops posted:UK pollsters got Brexit and the 2015 GE so wrong that I've got a half-hunch they may have overcorrected their modelling of shy voters, leading to an overestimate of Tory support. Although equally they may just be wrong again and The Tories will beat polling. If anything this election and specifically the manifesto with 19% popularity are really going to test the limits of any kind of "shy" voter, but tbh I'm not really sure it's a complete enough explanation. I just expect the pollsters to be wrong enough that now I don't mind spending a nice summer thinking that maybe it isn't all going to be on fire in six months. namesake posted:Since the Tories have had their own embarrassment of a leadership contest in the last year where half of them pratfell (possibly deliberately) or stabbed each other out of the running who exactly is going to want to take up the reins after May? Every last one of the creepy skulking bastards
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Hoops posted:That's hyperbole, she's not really floundering that much. The lead is narrowing but it's still averaging about 10 points, where is that swing going to come from in 10 days? If she shows up to the televised debates without being visibly drunk then there's not much left before she hits the level of guaranteed Tory vote. Her two closest advisors are briefing against each other on the front page of the Times today. Now Lynton Crosby is in charge, after his notable successes running the campaigns of Stephen Harper and Zac Goldsmith. Boris Johnson is going to be much more visible from now onwards. She'll almost certainly still win, but none of this points to it being smooth sailing. 
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