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So, uh, this seems like kind of a big deal: https://www.welt.de/politik/deutsch...ialflow_twitterquote:Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel (CDU) will sich nach dem enttäuschenden G-7-Gipfel nicht mehr auf die USA als Partner verlassen. After the disappointing G7 summit, Chancellor Merkel no longer wishes to rely on the USA as a partner. "The times when we could completely rely on others are over. That is what I have come to understand over the last few days," she said on Sunday at a speech in a beer tent in Munich. "We Europeans must take responsibility for our own fate," she said to the applause of 2000 listeners. Merkel was referring to the new US government led by Donald Trump, but also to Britain's impending departure from the EU. She emphasised the need for continuing friendship with the USA and the UK, but said "we must recognise that it is incumbent upon us to fight to secure our own future." Apologies if my translation is off - I'm running on the fumes of dimly remembered high school German here. e - here's Bloomberg's report in English: https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-28/merkel-tells-beer-tent-rally-that-europe-must-plot-own-course quote:German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Europe must plot its own course as she plunged back onto the campaign trail 17 weeks ahead of national elections. LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 15:09 on May 28, 2017 |
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Kassad posted:There's already been one attack in which the terrorist literally jumped a soldier to grab their gun: Really hate to defend that security theater bullshit, but you do realize that this doesn't really support your point, right? Some deranged shithead tried to murder a bunch of people and got shot to death by soldiers, before he could do any harm. If there weren't soldiers or police around he probably would have taken some people with him, using a knife or a gun. LemonDrizzle posted:So, uh, this seems like kind of a big deal: https://www.welt.de/politik/deutsch...ialflow_twitter This has been coming a long time already. Germany is planning to almost double its defence spending in the coming decades and doing more army integration on a European level. Fat clown president only accelerated the whole process, demonstrated the urgency of having more self-sufficiency.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:This has been coming a long time already. Germany is planning to almost double its defence spending in the coming decades and doing more army integration on a European level. Fat clown president only accelerated the whole process, demonstrated the urgency of having more self-sufficiency. And it's good. Europe needs to be able to throw its weight around independently, and with regards to the military needs to either poo poo or get off the pot. A mess of token forces best suited to rounding out specific aspects of a US expeditionary force while being supplied by US logistics is no good if you can't rely on the US forever, Europe needs to either build up their own internationally-feared expeditionary US style army that can afford to get bogged down in sand adventures, or consolidate its armies into a self defence force that doesn't try to maintain expeditionary capabilities on a shoe string budget.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Really hate to defend that security theater bullshit, but you do realize that this doesn't really support your point, right? Some deranged shithead tried to murder a bunch of people and got shot to death by soldiers, before he could do any harm. If there weren't soldiers or police around he probably would have taken some people with him, using a knife or a gun. I only meant it clearly wasn't a deterrent in this case.
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blowfish posted:And it's good. Europe needs to be able to throw its weight around independently, and with regards to the military needs to either poo poo or get off the pot. A mess of token forces best suited to rounding out specific aspects of a US expeditionary force while being supplied by US logistics is no good if you can't rely on the US forever, Europe needs to either build up their own internationally-feared expeditionary US style army that can afford to get bogged down in sand adventures, or consolidate its armies into a self defence force that doesn't try to maintain expeditionary capabilities on a shoe string budget. Of course that means that European countries have to start buying European military hardware so as not to have their military be dependent upon the USA to even work. I'm thinking about for example the F-35, which is fully thought as a "system of system" to work with the US forces.
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LemonDrizzle posted:So, uh, this seems like kind of a big deal: https://www.welt.de/politik/deutsch...ialflow_twitter Very nice. Now that perfidious Albion and its colonies are out, the Continent can rise to its former greatness again. The Belgian fucked around with this message at 16:41 on May 28, 2017 |
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May 28, 2017 16:30
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Cat Mattress posted:Of course that means that European countries have to start buying European military hardware so as not to have their military be dependent upon the USA to even work. I'm thinking about for example the F-35, which is fully thought as a "system of system" to work with the US forces. It already seems like this is the case for most hardware other than aircraft, seems like the militaries of the larger countries at least all use mostly European-made ground vehicles and ships. I believe there is also a Franco-German agreement in place to jointly develop a tank to replace both the Leclerc and Leopard 2. Assuming this goes through it should simplify logistics compared to having two or more different types around.
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LOLing at the fact that some angry voters in Wisconsin and Pensilvania could bring about the final nail in the coffin for the Holocene. We are a weird species.
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May 28, 2017 16:48
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Well if he leaves the paris peace accord it will only fuel the motivation for gloval business leaders to push renewablwa. Geemany knows if it makes an exportable green energy it will sell it to the rest of the worls dor the next 50 years.
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catfry posted:the ESA has nothing to do with the EU? It's an independent org. Hey, you're right! I didn't know that! Apparently ESA and EU only have recently begun closer cooperation since 2009, when Art. 189 AEUV started the process of creating a common European space politic. This stuff reads like the ESA is supposed to become part of the EU in the future, but isn't right now. Welp, that's not at all confusing.
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whomupclicklike posted:Is NATO over One can only hope.
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We're seeing a breakup of the West into Western the West and Eastern the West.
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LeoMarr posted:Well if he leaves the paris peace accord it will only fuel the motivation for gloval business leaders to push renewablwa. Geemany knows if it makes an exportable green energy it will sell it to the rest of the worls dor the next 50 years. Too bad they decided to destroy a big chunk of their green energy and replace it with some of the most polluting coal in the world then, eh?
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I wonder what the British response to ESA merging with EU would be. It makes sense for smaller nations to band together in international organisations like ESA because it provides their companies and universities with opportunities to participate in larger projects than what would be possible on a purely national scale. Not only is there better scientific possibilities, but ESA projects can sustain specialized industry, which can go on to sell that expertise in the global market. Logically UK would continue its participation, but it isn't impossible to imagine that some of the public would suddenly take a hostile posture, now that there has developed this strong anti-EU camp there. Anyways, I don't think an ESA-EU merger is right around the corner to be honest.
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May 28, 2017 17:53
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A Buttery Pastry posted:We're seeing a breakup of the West into Western the West and Eastern the West. America can remain the West, Russia the East, and we'll be the Center of the World, as we've always been in our glorious past.
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May 28, 2017 18:00
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https://twitter.com/guardian/status/868859355197820928 https://twitter.com/YanniKouts/status/868845655049080833 TRUMP
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President who effectively shelved the EPA within his first week in office delivers on his campaign promise to not give a poo poo about climate change, the world gasps in surprise about this unexpected turn of events. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 18:25 on May 28, 2017 |
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May 28, 2017 18:23
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catfry posted:I wonder what the British response to ESA merging with EU would be. I'm sure the Brits could whip up a strong & stable space program in no time!
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Flowers For Algeria posted:America can remain the West, Russia the East, and we'll be the Center of the World, as we've always been in our glorious past. Jerusalem is the traditional center of the world, heathen. 
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Kopijeger posted:Jerusalem is the traditional center of the world, heathen.
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Haha, I just noticed America hiding in the corner ruining our perfectly balanced map.
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Al-Saqr posted:TRUMP I'm OK with that, as long as it's not Germany in the lead, but rather the cool and good countries like Portugal, Spain, etc. A Buttery Pastry posted:Jerusalem will be part of the EU. Yeah Israel is already a participant in the Eurovision Song Contest, so as soon as they have solved their issues of brutal occupation, violent disregard for human rights, and entrenched racial supremacism, they can get in, no prob
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Flowers For Algeria posted:I'm OK with that, as long as it's not Germany in the lead, but rather the cool and good countries like Portugal, Spain, etc. So right around the same time as Turkey then.
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Australia will definitely get in before those two.
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CottonWolf posted:Australia will definitely get in before those two. lol
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Yeah Israel is already a participant in the Eurovision Song Contest, so as soon as they have solved their issues of brutal occupation, violent disregard for human rights, and entrenched racial supremacism, they can get in, no prob
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Flowers For Algeria posted:America can remain the West, Russia the East, and we'll be the Center of the World, as we've always been in our glorious past. Europe, the Middle Empire.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:I'm OK with that, as long as it's not Germany in the lead, but rather the cool and good countries like Portugal, Spain, etc. The only good thing about CDU dominance in Germany is that you can count on them to underfund all branches of government, the military included, and will thus have to rely on France for anything resembling a functional armed forces.
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YF-23 posted:The only good thing about CDU dominance in Germany is that you can count on them to underfund all branches of government, the military included, and will thus have to rely on France for anything resembling a functional armed forces. As long as Germany has it's currency as a weapon (Jacques Attali famously called the D-Mark the German atom bomb) we don't need a fully funded military.
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GaussianCopula posted:As long as Germany has it's currency as a weapon (Jacques Attali famously called the D-Mark the German atom bomb) we don't need a fully funded military. You know you can't shoot coins at tanks, right?
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YF-23 posted:You know you can't shoot coins at tanks, right? Historically the guy with the coins wins against the guy with the guns almost every time.
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GaussianCopula posted:Historically the guy with the coins wins against the guy with the guns almost every time. Not even remotely.
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MiddleOne posted:Not even remotely. I'm failing to come up with even one example where this has been true.
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GaussianCopula posted:Historically the guy with the coins wins against the guy with the guns almost every time. That's why Germany won the war against the Soviet Union 75 years ago. e: then again I guess that doesn't count. Germany had more of both when they first invaded. Truga fucked around with this message at 22:24 on May 28, 2017 |
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I'm failing to come up with even one example where this has been true. Uh...Game of Thrones, I guess
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Les fusils ont plus tôt fait de trouver l'argent, que l'argent les fusils.
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I hope they put France in charge of this new army rather than Germany.
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